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[edit] Composers Project bannering User_talk:Stepshep
Hi. I wonder if you might have time to do some bannering for the Composers Project?
This would entail a straightforward bot run through about 4,000 pages in the following categories:
- Category:Medieval composers
- Category:Renaissance composers
- Category:Baroque composers
- Category:Classical era composers
- Category:Romantic composers
- Category:20th century classical composers
- Category:21st century classical composers
The existing banner (currently only on about 800 articles) can be used as it is. It's at Template:Composers.
If you do have time available for this I hope we can do it cat by cat to start with - to check nothing is going wrong. (Ideally it would be good to auto mark articles with stub templates as class stub, but that could be done later if it's more difficult.)
Regards from the music world. --Kleinzach 07:07, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Conductors
Category:Music directors (opera) 56 under Category:Conductors
1776 under Category:Conductors by nationality
Judging by Category:Conductors by nationality there are about 1,800 or 1,900 articles on conductors. It was established that these are under the 'primary care' of the 'Classical Music' project.
Obviously many/most of the conductors have worked in the opera house.
[edit] Categories, weird fascination of
Making categories is once again popular. Clearly the fascination remains, but leaving aside the aesthetic attraction of creating these little virtual systems, we should consider what they are for and how to use them.
- For advanced readers to navigate, (for example to check all the articles in Category:Farse).
- To check depth of coverage
- To obtain statistics (on the development of sets of articles etc)
- To select (or exclude) articles for project bannering
[edit] Amadeus
http://www.amadeusonline.net/almanacco.php Amadeus almanac
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Let's clarify, first of all that my reference to 'disruptive editors' did not apply to you. I thought I had expressed myself clearly enough. Maybe not. However your idea that we (broadly speaking the classical music editors) should initiate a discussion in which we are not interested, about something we don't want is rather balmy. Even if I agreed with you and started such a discussion, I wouldn't get any backing.
The editors are giving their time to write articles. Development of coverage - particularly by the Opera Project has been dramatic.
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As noted by six of the participants, there were a series of other discussions on this issue. The one you referred to was dated April to June 2007. It surfaced again in September/October 2007 (archive 12)
the last one is still unarchived on the on the Composers Talk page) as noted by I don't understand why the closing comments were restricted to the original one. Hmm.
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- I can't really comment on the organization of the original discussion that you linked to in your summing up. It was of course heated and developed naturally as all WP discussions tend to. I think it's a bit gratuitous to criticize the participants en masse for it not being sufficiently neat and tidy to serve as a convenient summary for a closing admin as a future date, though I am always in favour of orderly process.
[edit] Biographical infoboxes for scientists
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Greetings from the Arts Project. I'm looking for information about the acceptance (or otherwise) of biographical infoboxes for scientists. Has this been an issue in the past. Are infoboxes now encouraged for all biographical articles. I've looked in the archive but not found anything. (Rest assured I have no wish to express any opinion on their use here - I am just trying to gather information). Best regards and thanks.
- I don't think the issue has come up explicitly with this WikiProject. Some editors who work on scientists don't like them, and at the least resist attempts to make them mandatory. I'm not a fan of them, but I find them tolerable.--ragesoss (talk) 03:04, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks. There are a lot of science projects. I wonder if you (or anybody else?) might know any particular ones where the issue has come up. --Kleinzach 03:58, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
- There is a special infobox for scientists {{Infobox scientist}} that is used in thousands of articles. I don't know if there is a written guideline anywhere explicitly encouraging its use, but in fact it is very widely used. This infobox is basically an expanded version of the basic biographical infobox with some additional fields of interest to scientists. --Itub (talk) 08:54, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks. There are a lot of science projects. I wonder if you (or anybody else?) might know any particular ones where the issue has come up. --Kleinzach 03:58, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
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Talk:Albert Einstein/Archive 9 "So, people have tried to put an infobox on Einstein's page for what must be the fifth time at least. Is there any great reason to do this? The non-scientist box contains no useful information not already found immediately in the article, while the "scientist box" has huge amounts of whitespace and dubious categories like his Erdos number (who cares? does anybody really think that the Erdos number means anything?), the names of his children and spouses (is this vital information?), and other information which looks completely silly to try and be boiled down to a single field category. I think all of the infoboxes are ugly and unnecessary, and there is no mandate to have infoboxes on biography pages or scientist pages. I've removed it for now, are there other opinions on this? To compare, here it is with a generic infobox, scientist infobox, and no infobox. In the past, every attempt to add an infobox has been rejected as unnecessary, ugly, and potentially destabilizing (just what we need, another place for people to try and boil Einstein's religious views into three words or less). --Fastfission 21:23, 15 July 2006 (UTC)"
Greetings from the Arts Project. I'm looking for information about the acceptance (or otherwise) of biographical infoboxes on articles about scientists. I saw you express an opinion on this in the past. Do biographical infoboxes remain controversial and if so on which specific projects? I wonder if you could possibly point me to any recent discussions on this subject? Best regards and thanks. --Kleinzach 04:23, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2006_September_8#Template:Infobox_Scientist
- Talk:Isaac_Newton/Archive2#Infobox_Template_Discussion_-_Keep_or_Delete.3F
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[edit] Assertions by DB that We have not yet had discussions.
User:DoubleBlue|DoubleBlue]] has made the following comments on the talk page:
" We have not yet had discussions. We had a poll that showed the opinions of various parties. Discussion, in fact, was deliberately inhibited and relegated to side comments when people tried to discuss. The focus was clearly on yes/no responses. . . . User:DoubleBlue 02:43, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] side comments redux
- Objection! We do have a consensus. It's been expressed in the discussion. Our job is now to interpret it and write a conclusion. We can't expect 50-odd people who have given their opinions to return and give them again. This section effectively reopens Question 8 which was closed down after full discussion. --Kleinzach (talk) 23:33, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
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- There are a number of issues on which there is not yet consensus (nor will there be if you keep trying to shut down debate). Disscussion of modifications to the placeholder image predate question 8 and will postdate it. Attempting to prevent such a debate rather goes against wikipedia principles.Geni 00:21, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Notable operas
Is every opera by every famous composer automatically notable? Some editors seem to believe that there must be an article on every work by a famous composer, irrespective of whether it still exists, was ever completed, is ever performed etc. What should we do about this? The problem - as we found with the article on Verdi's Re Lear is that you can verify something that doesn't exist if the people involved are famous enough.
Viola has now been fed into the system with a navigation box, role table etc. as if it were a real opera that people might find in an opera house. -- Kleinzach 10:25, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
I've been in favour of listing complete works on each individual composer's article, in order to show career development etc. (Only important works lacking article indicated in red.)
Unfortunately these works are being fed into the system added to The opera corpus, created as articles and put through the process with navigation boxes, role tables etc. There seems to be a believe that every p[ice of work by a major compoesr should have its own article.
[edit] Recordings
Krenek: Jonny spielt auf - Vienna State Opera Orchestra
- Conductor: Heinrich Hollreiser
- Principle singers: Lucia Popp, Gerd Feldhoff, Thomas Stewart, Leo Heppe, Evelyn Lear
- Recording date: January 4, 1994
- Label: Vanguard Classics - B0000023F7 (CD)
[edit] Sources for articles on contemporary singers
With the caveat that journalists can also be sloppy about checking facts, on the whole, I find the best independent sources for contemporary singers tend to be mainstream press or journal articles. The Guardian (UK), The New York Times, The San Francisco Chronicle, The International Herald Tribune, and Time Magazine all have extensive archives that are largely free (except for certain NYT articles). To access their contents quickly, go to Google and type the following in the search box:
- site:observer.guardian.co.uk "Singer's name"
- site:query.nytimes.com "Singer's Name"
- site:www.sfgate.com "Singer's Name"
- site:www.iht.com "Singer's Name"
- site:www.time.com "Singer's Name"
FindArticles.com is also useful, although some of their content is premium. (You can adjust the search to look for free content only)
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[edit] Metastasio Libretto pages
We don't usually have seperate articles for libretti. Obviously they are normally covered by articles on the individual operas to which they were set. However the libretti of Metastasio are exceptional because of the large number of settings (sometimes thirty, forty or fifty of them). At the moment there appear to be four of them: Artaserse, Demofoonte, L'Olimpiade, Didone abbandonata.
IMO the Metastasio articles are useful, but at the moment they are haphazardly categorized and not very accessible. Should we create a new category for them, called Category: Opera libretti ? Is this a good idea or do we, perhaps, need a different approach? -- Kleinzach 09:38, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Opera by year
- Boris Godunov (opera) both 1869 and 1872
- The_Fair_at_Sorochintsï both 1913 and 1880
- Khovanshchina both 1881 and 1886
- Monterverdi's L'Orfeo both 1600s and 1904 - latter now deleted by M
- Theodora (Handel) both 1749 and 1750
[edit] Opera terms
cantilena - a lyrical melody line, obviously meant to be sung or played "cantabile."
hauptstimme - this refers to the principal musical material of a work. In the operas of Schoenberg or Berg, early 20th century German composers, the main melodies are marked with an "H" to indicate that the composers considered those the principal tunes.
maestro - a title of courtesy, given, especially in Italy, to conductors, composers and directors; translation (from the Italian), "Master."
marking - the practice used by many singers to save their voices in rehearsals; singers will sing in what seems to be a mere whisper, or transpose the vocal lines so that they don't have to sing extremely high or low notes. This is done as a vocal protection--singing too strenuously, or without getting the voice properly warmed up can lead to vocal strain and severe throat problems.
PATTER SONG - A song or aria in which the character sings as many words as possible in the shortest time.
parlando - literally, "speaking"; this Italian term directs the singer to imitate speech in singing. The "patter songs" of Gilbert and Sullivan operettas frequently employ a great deal of parlando singing.
PIT - A sunken area in front of the stage where the members of the orchestra sit.
prova - rehearsal, from the Italian word for "test"; often in Italy, one hears of a "prova generale,"which means the final dress rehearsal. In Germany, a rehearsal is called "probe" (PROE beh); in German houses, one frequently hears of a sitzprobe (a rehearsal with orchestra where the singers sing seated on chairs at the front of the stage instead of moving about) or wandelprobe (where the singers actually go through the motions of their acting while the orchestra plays the music) or generalprobe (which is, in essence, the last dress rehearsal).
recitativo accompagnato - is accompanied by the full orchestra. The introduction to Donna Anna's "Or sai chi l'onore" in Don Giovanni is an example of the"accompagnato" style, where the orchestral sonorities are capable of varying the mood of the narration more than the simple harpsichord accompaniment could.
recitativo secco - is accompanied by the continuo instruments. Numerous passages abound in the operas of Mozart and Rossini of the "secco" style.
SCENA (SCHAY-nah) (Italian) - Literally a scene. A dramatic episode which consists of a variety of number types with a common themes. A typical scena might consist of a recitative, a cavatina and a cabaletta.
sotto voce - a musical direction which asks the performer to sing, or play "under the voice," or in a subdued manner. Singing sotto voce can be compared to declaiming in a stage whisper and can be very effective in a large theatre.
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Best independent sources for contemporary singers: To access their contents quickly, go to Google and type the following in the search box: site:observer.guardian.co.uk "Singer's name" site:query.nytimes.com "Singer's Name" site:www.sfgate.com "Singer's Name" site:www.iht.com "Singer's Name" site:www.time.com "Singer's Name"
[edit] Opera
As already noted, I have concerns about the introduction - also the piecemeal word by word, concertina-style (expansion then contraction, contraction then expansion) way it has been edited. It would have been better to discuss the issues off-page before editing, or to have circulated a draft for people to edit in turn, aiming at a synthesis acceptable to all intestersted parties. (I note that the introduction has been edited X times in the last Y days.)
Why is this important?
We have had several instances recently when non-opera contributors (in Cfd etc.) have commented on the nature of opera in relation to categorization, proposed deletions etc. We need to have an introduction that answers these and other similar questions:
- Operetta isn't opera, is it?
- Why do you include works that have spoken dialogue? They aren't operas are they?
- Operas have recitatives between the arias, don't they?
- Operas are through-composed (i.e have continuous music) aren't they?
- Why don't you list women composers? (accusation of sexism)
- Why don't use you list Beijing opera? After all it is opera!
- Why don't you rename Opera as Western Classical Opera? (accusation of Eurocentrism)
- Why does opera use amplification. Is it because opera is out of date?
- Why don't use you list Rock and Rap opera? (accusation of elitism/snobbishness)
It would save us all time if we could point to agreed text that answered these questions. "It's more complicated than you realize!" is not a convincing answer.
Richard Strauss addressed the problem of the nature of opera in Capriccio. Olivier, a poet, and Flamand, a composer debate the rival claims of music and drama. Olivier believes Prima le parole, doppia la musica. Flamand insists Prima le musica, doppia la parole.
Right. Back to Basics: I would like to look at the definition of opera first I'd like to first distinguish between what is essential, what is normal (usual), and what is optional in different forms and genres of opera.
Essential:
- performance: an ephemeral event lasting for a period of time
- audience: at least of one (precedent: Ludwig of Bavaria)
- human voice: but not always words, there may not be many examples of pure vocalise in opera (e.g. Einstein on the Beach and Chaya Czernowin's Pnima...ins Innere) but there are plenty of examples of words mixed with vocalization.
- (instrumental) music: Opera is an abbreviation of 'opera in musica'. Music is always present even in the most austere of chamber operas (e.g. Curlew River).
- stage: a representational space distinct from a concert/recital platform. (There are a few radio or television operas Il prigioniero, Owen Wingrave, however they are really exceptions that prove the rule by imitating opera forms in order to avoid being identified as films or audio recordings.)
Normal;
- orchestra: a group of musicians off-stage
- conductor: music director
- singing: a style of voice production derived from Mozart (and earlier) with voices defined by vocal ranges.
- drama/acting: performers assuming and acting stage roles
- text/narrative: most operas tell a story expressed through a text and action seen on the stage
- stage lighting
- costumes
- scenery
- no artificial amplification: ensemble and musical precision (up to now) have required natural sound. Nixon in China is an exception but the composer gives very precise instructions about amplification in order to achieve particular effects.
Optional:
- dancing: never very far away in opera. Grand operas contain ballets, and there is the hybred form of Opéra-ballet. Even 'straight' operas without ballet sections can contain a lot of dance. Some operas can be danced (as well as sung) in long sections, e.g. the crowd scenes in Turandot, or the witches in Macbeth.
- actors: non-singing actors, mimes and extras. Notably in Verdi operas.
Analysis:
According to this analysis, Music is essential but not drama (in the sense of a story being acted on stage). Please note that [[Drama}] and Theatre]] are both problem areas on WP so we have to make our own definitions of what they mean.
[edit] Opera
Opera is one of the performing arts (alongside music, drama and dance), and its special character derives from the combination of elements of the others, as well as visual effects conveyed by scenery, costumes, and lighting,
Opera is invariably live, performed in a specially-equipped opera house. The sound is unamplified in order to feature the beauty of the trained operatic voice. There are many different genres of opera and the scale of production varies, however performance typically involves artists, such as singers, instrumentalists and often dancers and actors, working together with each other. Normally an orchestra directed by a conductor accompanies the singers. The opera world is international - in contrast to spoken theatre - and Italian, German, French, English, Russian and Czech etc. works are performed world-wide in their original languages, while artists travel from country to country performing.
Opera emerged in Italy around the year 1600 and has always been intimately associated with the Western classical music tradition, while developing its own unique musical and dramatic styles and conventions. Comparable art forms from various other parts of the world, many of them ancient in origin, exist and are also sometimes called "opera" by analogy, usually prefaced with an adjective indicating the region (for example, Chinese opera).
Essential: performance human voice music audience stage
Normal; orchestra conductor operatic singing drama/acting text//narrative stage lighting costumes scenery
Optional: dancers actors extras
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- Clinkscale, Martha Novak (1992), 'Erismena' in The New Grove Dictionary of Opera, ed. Stanley Sadie (London) ISBN 0-333-73432-7
Wolf-Ferrari, Ermanno by John C G Waterhouse, in 'The New Grove Dictionary of Opera', ed. Stanley Sadie (London, 1992) ISBN 0-333-73432-7
Wolf-Ferrari, Ermanno by Albi Rosenthal, in 'The New Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians', ed. Stanley Sadie (London, 1980) ISBN 0333231112
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- Steane, J B: Reyzen, Mark in 'The New Grove Dictionary of Opera', ed. Stanley Sadie (London, 1992) ISBN 0-333-73432-7
- Warrack, John and West, Ewan (1992), The Oxford Dictionary of Opera, 782 pages, ISBN 0-19-869164-5
- The Oxford Dictionary of Opera, by John Warrack and Ewan West (1992), 782 pages, ISBN 0-19-869164-5
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index.php?title=User_talk:Kleinzach&oldid=128373279#.28Quote.29_Unrelenting_Incivility_.28unquote.29 5 May 2007 Jacques Offenbach
I integrated the "Trivia" section into the other sections and moved the critical reception and Zola stuff below the list of works. I also listified the various posthumous works. See what you think. -- Ssilvers 04:50, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
- Hmm. I don't think I have time for another cleanup job on Offenbach!
- What posthumous works? Where did this come from? One isn't even by Offenbach. What sources have you been using? Amateur websites or proper reference books?
- BTW were you able to remove the corrupt text from Les brigands or should we just delete it all? -- Kleinzach 08:25, 12 July 2007 (UTC
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- You wrote:"What posthumous works? Where did this come from? One isn't even by Offenbach. What sources have you been using? Amateur websites or proper reference books?"
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- I didn't add it - It was already there. I just listified it from the tangled Trivia paragraph in which it appeared. I am not surprised to hear that it contains errors.
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- OK, now I understand I was looking at the history and it was difficult to see why and what you had done. But why did you transfer dubious (by definition) material from the Trivia to main sections without checking it? You weren't using any reference books, were you? -- Kleinzach 04:40, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
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- Then you wrote: "BTW were you able to remove the corrupt text from Les brigands or should we just delete it all?"
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- Sorry, to what corrupt text are you referring? As for the Offenbach article, I have untangled some of the incomprehensible stuff that was there, but I'm afraid that you and/or GT are the first editors I could think of who might be able to clean it up more. I haven't got any reference materials for Offenbach. Just give it 15 minutes - It's just the "posthumous works" and the Zola paragraph, really, that need your attention. If you don't want to do it, that's up to you, but I have done all I can. -- Ssilvers 13:32, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
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- The Musical Numbers section from Les brigands. Your edit (cut and paste?) of 6 April. Every word is capitalized and all the French accents have been removed. (See Talk Page/Musical Numbers). If you can't correct it then it should be deleted.
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- It has been corrected now. -- Ssilvers 04:54, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
- No - only some of it. For example, we have: 'Arrete-toi Donc, Je T'en Prie' . I also see you have been deleting my comments again. Nevertheless the whole exchange will remain on my Talk page. -- Kleinzach 06:38, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
- It has been corrected now. -- Ssilvers 04:54, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
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- As for Jacques Offenbach it would have been better to leave the article as it was. Why not contribute to articles where you have the necessary language skills, knowledge and relevant books? There are lots of English light operas that need articles, why not work on those? I regret having to express my irritation again, but if you remember my last cleanup job after your Offenbach editing took around ten hours. Basta! -- Kleinzach 04:40, 13 July 2007 (UTC) (Copied to my Talk page for the record)
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No need to thank me, old fellow. Making you clean up articles that you have been neglecting is reward enough! LOL! -- Ssilvers 07:12, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
- There are approximately 3,499 other neglected opera articles. It's not for you to decide which ones have priority. BTW I see you have now deleted this whole exchange from your Talk Page. Too embarrassing? Arrête-toi donc, Je t'en prie! -- Kleinzach 07:28, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Not at all. Only your behaviour has been embarrassing, as usual. I deleted it because it is merely a series of inane rants by you (filled with historical inaccuracies) in response to my polite request for assistance. Ciao for now; I'll let you know when I have further use for you. :) -- Ssilvers 13:53, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Composer of the Month
Here are some ideas/previous suggestions for the XXX composer(s) of the month:
Candidates:
- Alessandro Scarlatti (1660-1725) Antonio Caldara (1670-1736), and Antonio Vivaldi (1678-1741)
- Baldassarre Galuppi (1706-1785), Florian Leopold Gassmann (1729-1774), and Giuseppe Gazzaniga (1743-1818)
- Early German composers and the development of Singspiele: Johann Adam Hiller (1728-1804), Anton Schweitzer (1735 - 1787), Johann André (1741-1799), Christian Gottlob Neefe (1748-1798), Johann Friedrich Reichardt (1752-1814), Peter Winter (1754-1825)
- Giovanni Paisiello (1741-1816)
- Albert Lortzing (1801-1851)
- Marc-Antoine Charpentier (1643-1704)
- Gaspare Spontini (1774-1851) and Luigi Cherubini (1760-1842),
- Hans Pfitzner (1869-1949) and Paul Hindemith (1895-1963)
- Tomaso Albinoni (1671-1750)
- English 18th/19th century opera: Thomas Arne (1710-1778), Charles Dibdin (1745-1814), Stephen Storace (1762–1796), Julius Benedict (1804-1885), Michael Balfe (1808-1870), William Vincent Wallace (1812-1865), Edward Loder (1813-1865), Edward Jakobowski (1858 - 1927), Alexander Mackenzie (1847-1935)
[edit] Composers with 5 or more red lnks in the opera corpus
- Giovanni Paisiello 12
- Paul Hindemith 9
- Giovanni Pacini 9
- Antônio Carlos Gomes 8
- Niccolò Jommelli 8
- Alexandre Charles Lecocq 8
- Stephen Storace 8
- Florian Leopold Gassmann 7
- Ruggiero Leoncavallo 7
- Saverio Mercadante 7
- Niccolò Piccinni 7
- Ottorino Respighi 7
- Tommaso Traetta 7
- Alfred Bruneau 6
- Giuseppe Gazzaniga 6
- Pietro Alessandro Guglielmi 6
- Jenő Huszka 6
- Albert Lortzing 6
- Ferdinando Paer 6
- Salvatore Sciarrino 6
- Gaspare Spontini 6
- Tomaso Albinoni 5
- Eduard Caudella 5
- Emmerich Kálmán 5
- Simon Mayr 5
- Thea Musgrave 5
- Anton Rubinstein 5
- Camille Saint-Saëns 5
- Peter Winter 5
- Karl Michael Ziehrer 5
[edit] Past (started March 2006)
- 3 Czech: Dvořák, Janáček, Smetana
- 6 Belgian-French: Auber, Gounod, Grétry, Lully, Offenbach, Rameau
- 9 Austrian-German: (Gluck), (Handel), (Haydn), Hans Werner Henze, Krenek, (Meyerbeer), (Mozart), Weber, Weill
- 11 Italian: Bellini, Cavalli, Donizetti, Leoncavallo, Mascagni, Rossini (twice), Sacchini, Salieri, Sarti, Verdi
- English: 'American' and 'Women composers'
