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There's kind of an apologist slant in favor of the House of Netjer/Kemetic Orthodoxy; I cleaned up the biased language a little, but I don't trust myself to get rid of it entirely, as I'm pretty biased towards the House of Netjer myself. Anybody want to have a go at it?

As an aside, it'd be interesting if someone put in about the history of rivalry between HoN and Per Ankh. Switchercat 03:42, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

I think a part of this is just that a lot of the writers are most familiar with Kemetic Orthodoxy. By all means, if somebody has other things to contribute or if they want to make the language less biased, I think they should. The only problem I think could happen is it could go the other direction. Falsetto 00:59, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Monolatry

The definition given of 'monolatry' in the article conflicts with the Monolatry article. I'm not sure if there should be a mention or not - I encountered this page via the random feature and know nothing about the topic :) Cheyinka 05:49, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Interesting, they are indeed different ideas using the same word, I will endeavor to dig deeper into this, and hopefully find where the discrepancy stems from.IanCheesman (talk) 22:06, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Suggested merge

Since Kemetic Orthodoxy is a stub and doesn't seem to be getting any longer, and since this article seems to contain a lot of material related to Kemetic Orthodoxy without really explaining what it is and how it relates to the rest of Kemetic Recon, I thought it might be a good idea to merge the two. We did something similar with Hellenic polytheism, and it's been really helpful to have all of the different groups/traditions/factions in one place so that it's easy to see when we're making questionable generalizations based on the practices of one group or swaying towards the POV of one or another. What do people think? - AdelaMae (talk - contribs) 18:57, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Personally I feel that rather then combining the two articles information from the kemetic recon section should be moved to the kemetic orthodoxy page such as Shemsu Naming and the majority of the info on Tamara Siuda.Plantman223 05:16, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Now that I've thought some more about it, I really feel like that would be a better way to go. Italian Wikipedia has really extensive coverage of Kemetic recon and they seem to have done this really well. I think it would be good for us to check out and possible translate some of their material (or at least borrow some of their images and organization):
I removed the merge tags and I hope that we can get some traffic going between these two articles in the days ahead. - AdelaMae (talk - contribs) 05:58, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
I see two main problems with merging the KO and Recon articles-
First and foremost, since Kemetic Orthodoxy is such a large and developed part of the Kemetic movement as a whole, there is a common misconception that the terms "Kemetic Orthodoxy" and "Kemetic Reconstructionism" are interchangeable- in much the same way that people mistakenly interchange "Wiccan" and "Pagan." Not all Pagans are Wiccan, however, and not all Kemetic Recons are KO- I would not want to do anything to encourage further confusion along those lines.
Secondly, although the House of Netjer certainly seems to abide by a Kemetic Reconstructionist ethos, and is usually recognizable to Kemetic Reconstructionists as a reconstructionist organization, the leader of the organization itself prefers to differentiate what she teaches from the reconstructionist movement... so she would probably not appreciate a stub on her temple being merged with the recon article, and it would not be polite to do so.
I agree with PlantMan223 that some of the information on Shemsuhood, Parentage, and Tamara Siuda could be very agreeably moved over to the KO stub, though. I also feel, however, that since Kemetic Orthodoxy has had such an impact on the Kemetic Reconstructionist community as well, it may not be unreasonable to have some of this information in both places. 66.123.206.10 00:30, 21 May 2007 (UTC)WebenBanu

[edit] New Kemet Movement

The New Kemet Movement is a relatively new separatist (religious) movement, fifteen to twenty years old, sponsored by the Kemet or Khamit Society, a secret society of African Americans who preach and practice the afrocentric doctrine and faith of black separatism, black nationalism, black apartheid, black racism, and black supremacy. This nationwide group was nearly successful in gaining legislation for an all black school district in Milwaukee, Wisconsin under its leader Howard Fuller through the passage of state legislation defining apartheid boundaries for an all black school district in the late 80s. The apartheid legislation had passed one of the Wisconsin legislative houses and only through the monumental lobbying efforts of a back principal, Texas Bufkin, who took three bus loads of black parents to Madison, Wisconsin, during that historic struggle in the late 80s, to lobby the Wisconsin legislature against the formation of the all black segregated school district, did the nearly successful apartheid efforts of Howard Fuller's Kemet movement fail. So powerful is the Kemet or Khamit Society, Texas Bufkin was subsequently fired by the school district for her efforts at reversing the separatist legislation. The Kemet Society today claims 150 members in the Milwaukee area and over 10,000 nation wide. The Ausar Auset Society is the local religious Kemet cult in Milwaukee. Reports of polygamy, female circumcision (FGM), incest, and child abuse, as practiced by the ancient Egyptian pharaohs and ruling class of Egyptian elite society, surround the eclectic/syncretic cult society. The afrocentric revisionist history, philosophy, education and doctrine and the self-esteem arguments of afrocentric practitioners is a way for the Kemet (Ausar Auset) movement to maintain access to public school tax resources to support their afrocentric heathen and pagan practices of acient Egypt through vouchers for religious charter and choice schools.

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this is apparently a statement by Kemetic Orthodoxy, dating to 2000, but it survives only in this archive on arthurhu.com

The Ausar Auset Society is the local religious Kemet cult in Milwaukee. Reports of polygamy, female circumcision (FGM), incest, and child abuse, as practiced by the ancient Egyptian pharaohs and ruling class of Egyptian elite society, surround the eclectic/syncretic cult society.[2]
  • Not Yet "Free at Last": The Unfinished Business of the Civil Rights Movement : Our Battle for School Choice (1999) [3]

Former Milwaukee Superintendent of Schools Howard L. Fuller, a voucher supporter, was described in a Washington Post post-election story (on the failure of vouchers at the polls) as a "professor of education at Marquette University who formed an organization called the Black Alliance for Educational Options (BAEO)." Following his funding trail reveals that the Black Alliance is in fact a project of the Institute for the Transformation of Learning, based at Marquette University and founded by Fuller in 1995. Between 1996 and 1998 it received at least $360,000 from the Bradley Foundation alone. Marquette University itself is one of the top Bradley Foundation recipients, getting more than $6.6 million from the foundation since 1986. [4]

outside the document cited, I find no evidence linking Fuller and Ausar Auset. Also, hardly any evidence of a "Kemet Society", outside a single crackpot site kemetway.com. This appears to be a conspiracy theory then? The connection with female circumcision is also tenuous. Here is a quotable article at least, Constitutional protection for bazar multiple cultural practices Education, Project Innovation, Winter 1997 by Leon W Todd Jr (Director, Board of Directors, Milwaukee Public Schools, Box 2181, Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53201-2181) [5]

Local school officials in Milwaukee, Wisconsin have had some major problems dealing with religious education within public school classrooms, and with drug dealing and usage as parts of religious rites of passage. These problems are typically associated largely with Afrocentric Religious Cults, and in connection with the U.S. Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA) passed by Congress in 1993. ... A number of presently organized religions cults like Ausar Auset Society, Yonuba, and Rastatarians have bet on this law and maybe the charter schools movement to guarantee their full access to public tax moneys via the budgets of public school districts. The intent for use of such tax moneys was primarily to foster the spread of their religions. In discussions about the separation of church and state and in debates over race relations within the public school setting unwarranted legal speculation and "race card" posturing about possible constitutional protection for certain bazaar multicultural practices of Afrocentric Cults like polygamy, incest, female circumcision (FGM) and certain forms of child abuse based on the genetic culture coming of age of race specific adolescents within different races (different cultural groups for the intellectually confused) are no longer appropriate. These cultists have been very orthodox to the North African region, and have been referred to as rites of practices of the ancient pharaohs. Many of these ritualized forms of child abuse as have been practiced in our Black communities under the protection of RFRA in the United States can now be appropriately prohibited under the law.

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After five years of operation, the CSRC determined that Khamit Institute was not operating an academically or fiscally viable organization. The school will cease operations at the end of the 2003-04 school year. --dab (𒁳) 09:14, 15 October 2007 (UTC)