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[edit] Points left open

Points left open:

DC didn't do the greatest job listing related stories and issues that were connected to Identity Crisis. It's possible they didn't think would be such a hit. As a result some of the answers came in much later comics.

1.Who was the mother of Captain Boomerang's son? This is a mystery that will likely later be a major story in The Flash

2.Why did Bolt attack the owners of Lex Luthor's body armor? Those who had the armor weren't the owners. They were some punks who stole it. Lex Luthor had Calculator hire someone to retrieve it. This turned out to be Bolt. Bolt did not die but was still in bad shape when other villians hired by Lex obtained the armor from the thugs in Teen Titans #20

3.Dr. Light's memory of what happened on the satellite were restored. He remembers everything and is supposed to be back to his once deadly self.

4.What were Dr. Moon and Phobia up to? I'm curious as to this myself. Perhaps upcoming Villains United will explain a bit more.

5.Was Jean Loring forced by Arkham inmates to reveal the identities of the DC heroes (as alluded to by a newspaper headline)? Evidence points to it being learned in other ways.


Will Batman discover the mindwipe? It seems he already may in the upcoming issue DC Countdown. Which may solve some other questions.

User:Black arrow


  • Many of the comments on the Criticisms section belong here on the talk page and not in the main article-- Wilfredo Martinez.

Agreed. Also, the matter of Sue Dibny's pregnancy is not "a cheap attempt to milk emotion". It was established in other comics (Notably Super Buddies) User:pbradley179

[edit] Green Arrow and Hawkman

Green Arrow and Hawkman's mutual antagonism was no longer primarily rooted in their differing political philosophies, but instead on their opposing opinions of what should have been done to Doctor Light.

Do we know this for a fact? Just because they came on opposing sides doesnt mean the reason why clash isnt because of they're a conservative and a liberal. I dont think Light was the main reason for their antagonism. --DrBat 00:16, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
In issue #3, Green Arrows talks to Wally about the circumstances surrounding Dr. Light's personality shift (and the row Green Arrow and Hawkman had over it). From their conversation, it's pretty strongly implied that although they had differing political philosophies, Green Arrow and Hawkman tolerated each other well enough -- it was after the entire Dr. Light affair that their relationship became truly antagonistic. 216.242.182.234 22:58, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

rm non-"change" - This is as much a reflection of that difference in philosophy as a replacement for it

It is a significant change. In the original canon, the sole reason there was bad blood between Green Arrow and Hawkman was simple politics and nothing more. Now, the "real" reason for their mutual animosity is rooted in the differing opinion of what happened to Dr. Light and the minor altercation they had over it. The text even says that although they disagreed philosophically, this incident is what drove them to their historic antipathy.

[edit] Superman and Batman's Secret Identity

Although it's been mentioned that both Superman and Batman's civilian identities were revealed to the core members of the JLA after the events of "Tower of Babel", it was still a small group let in on the secret (Wally West [Flash], Kyle Rayner [Green Lantern], Daniel "Eel" O'Brian [Plastic Man]). There was never any mention or indication that the revelation went beyond that group, leading to the kind of casual familiarity that was part of the Pre-Crisis DCU.

[edit] Criticisms section

The section on criticisms of the series is becoming larger and increasingly POV. The danger of the section is that, while it should exist to record complaints gathered from external sources that represent the feelings of large numbers of people, it's very easy for anyone to just insert their own criticisms and hide it behind the veil of "Some fans believe" or "it has been argued by some". I admit that I've done it myself. It's also turning into a point-counterpoint forum for arguments, rather than an encyclopedia entry. I'm thinking about either severely cutting down the section or removing it altogether and re-adding parts on a case-by-case basis. ANyone have any thoughts? Pitr 16:48, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

I suggest putting the criticisms back.
The problem here is that the topic is one discussed by fans, not one written about in scholarly journals. This means that the criticism is also going to be made by fans, not published in journals, and it's entirely possible for a particular criticism to be fairly well known and still not published in a scientific journal.
If there is real doubt as to whether the criticisms have been made by other people than the Wikipedia editors, would links to Usenet posts, web pages or forums, or comic book magazine articles suffice as references? (Although Usenet posts and web pages are not usually considered good sources because they're not peer-reviewed, in this case they're being used as primary sources--they *are* fan reactions, so they can be used to justify a statement about fan reactions) Ken Arromdee 18:21, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Links to forum posts and blogs and such can easily become misrepresentative, though. How can you tell from looking only at a forum post if the opinion of the poster is representative of greater opinion? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 22:32, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
If any description of fan reactions had to be supported with proof that the fan reaction is representative enough to be included, we'd never be able to include any at all. Nobody does surveys of fan reactions and publishes them in journals. Ken Arromdee 14:01, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
That's probably why most articles don't deal with fan reactions, just verifiable things like critical reception and sales numbers. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 03:45, 28 April 2006 (UTC)


Even if a criticisms does not come from a scholarly source, it is easy to distinguish between actual critisums and fan based rants. However, in order to avoid some fan based put downs, we could put up an influence section and discuss the possible sources that inspired the text.

[edit] There's spoilers and then there's spoilers...

I made it a point not to read this article until after I had read "Identity Crisis," reasonably thinking I'd be safe from spoilers. However this was prior to reading most of the Infinite Crisis storyline.

My point is, I don't think this article should include plot details revealed subsequently to "Identity Crisis." Case in point:

       "Batman's eventual remembrance of the mindwipe led him to disassociate
   himself from the JLA and become increasingly suspicious of metahuman heroes
   (see Brother Eye)."

Anyway, I just wanted to get some feedback on this point before merrily deleting passages.

--Gaijinlaw 13:56, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Other Media

Although it came from Entertainment Weekly, I'm removing the speculation that an upcoming animated movie is based on IdC, since it seemed like EW was speculating as well. If a lot object, I'm putting it here so it can be inserted back in. --- Rogsheng 16:29, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Appearances in other media

Warner Bros. is currently developing an animated movie that is speculated to be based on the Identity Crisis storyline. The movie may launch both the potentially upcoming Green Arrow and Flash films. [1]

That's a few months old - it's actually New Frontier. --Charlesknight 20:49, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unanswered questioned section

The fact that there are answers under some of the questions makes some of the unanswered questions ... answered. A major re-edit of this section (or deletion) would be helpful. 66.109.248.114