Talk:Huitzilopochtli

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Add a section on Huitzilopochtli as a demon in the Faust story of German folklore.

[edit] Pronunciation

How about a pronunciation key? I would add one but I have no idea how Huitzilopochtli is said and I'm afraid the spelling is a bastardized American form.

Sultan Yakub

His name can be heard here: http://members.aol.com/emdelcamp/huitz.wav The "HU" in Nahuatl makes a "w" sound, like in Huehueteotl's name and Huitzilpochtli. Xuchilbara (talk) 00:22, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Does anyone have any proof that the Aztec Empire fell at the end of its calendar's 52 year cycle? As I remember it, One Rabbit, the beginning of their calendar, fell somewhere around 1454 or 1455. This was a year of severe famine and drought, and a blemish on the reign of Motecuzoma I. If we push another 52 years forward, we get 1506-1507 as the date that the Aztecs fell, which isn't even remotely correct. Therefore, until someone can substantiate this claim, I'm editing it out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sultan Yakub (talk • contribs) 19:59, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Hay guyz. This article is actually pretty badly written, and it needs to cite more sources. I'll try to deal with as much of the writing as I can, but can the author please cite his sources? I don't know the code for "citation needed".

Stormchaser (talk) 17:11, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Wait, never mind. Didn't see the thing at the top. Sorry.

Stormchaser (talk) 17:14, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Genealogy

The article says: "...His sister was Malinalxochitl...". Then in the next paragraph: "...His sister, Coyolxauhqui...". So which one was it? The answer is Coyolxauhqui. Over all this article is pretty bad.Senor Cuete (talk) 19:31, 27 May 2008 (UTC)Senor Cuete

Both Malinalxochitl and Coyolxauhqui appear as sisters of Huitzilopochtli, albeit in different contexts in the mythological accounts.

Coyolxauhqui appears in the legend of Huitzilopochtli's birth/origins at Coatepec (cf. Sahagun Book III), where she is his elder (half-)sister who, enraged/ashamed at her mother Coatlicue becoming (unwittingly) pregnant with Huitzilopochtli, stirs up her brothers —the Centzonuitznaua— to have her mother killed. Huitzilopochtli, still in the womb, consoles his mother that he'll protect her, then is born fully-armed just as Coyolxauhqui & her brothers are about to strike. He dices up Coyolxauhqui and sends her remains tumbling down the hill.

Malinalxochitl appears in the context of the legendary Mexica migrations (such as recounted in Duran), where she is his malevolent sister. The Mexica, fed up with her magic, petition Huitzilopochtli to get rid of her, but are advised instead to pack up and leave her behind when she's asleep without her knowing where they have gone. The mexica do this, and Malinalxochitl is unable to find them again, so she founds the town of Malinalco. She later bore a son, Copil, who pledges revenge for his mother's abandonment. He sets out to track the mexica down, but before he can cause too much trouble Huitzilopochtli gets wind of this and warns the mexica, who eventually capture and sacrifice Copil. Huitzilopochtli tells the priests to fling his heart into Lake Texcoco, where it lands in the spot where they would later build Tenochtitlan.

Both of these accounts have been seen as possible allegories of actual but separate & distant political machinations. See for eg the ref for Kay Almere Read.

Agree that these and other accounts concerning Huitzilopochtli should be made more distinct from one another to avoid confusion, and each should certainly be clearly annotated to indicate which source(s) the tales come from. --cjllw ʘ TALK 06:12, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

"According to ancient Aztec fable...":

1. If there's no source for this it should be removed since this at best an obscure story.

2. It shouldn't be in the Genealogy section. 23:09, 9 June 2008 (UTC)Senor Cuete

Removed that 'birthday party' para, if not an actual prank then it was a very garbled account of some minor tale.

Seems a bit odd to me to have a 'genealogy' section on an article about a mythical entity; if and when the article gets an overhaul it should probably be refactored into a structure more in keeping with the subject. --cjllw ʘ TALK 23:53, 9 June 2008 (UTC)