Talk:Howard the Duck

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[edit] This article needs split into two articles

One about the comics, another about the box office flop, and a disambigous page added. Joncnunn 17:58, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Technically, there could be three articles: the books, the character, and the film.--StAkAr Karnak 23:12, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

• Support. I see no reason why this should be a single article. (Ibaranoff24 20:37, 24 June 2006 (UTC))

Davros77: There really should be no change, there should be links to it on the relevant pages, but splitting it up stands for no purpose.

• Oppose "I see no reason" doesn't give a reason. The motion picture is a minor movie, and explaining the Howard the Duck back-story all over again is redundant. As well, it's consistent with countless other comics articles with a minor movie or a TV show spinoff to have the latter as a section and not a separate article. -- Tenebrae 18:46, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

• Oppose. I have to agree with Tenebrae on this one. -- M (^speak/_spoken) 03:04, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Howard the Duck's 1976 Presidential Campaign

I remember vividly the early days of HTD, with issues three, four and five being exceptionally clever. However, Howard's Presidental campaign, in my opinion, did not live up to the promise of the earlier issues. The big problem was with the writing. Specifically, why was Howard running for President? At that point in the series, the character of Howard was kind of an Everyman (sic) who pretty much hated everything and everybody--but still was always thrown into situations where he was saving people.

During his Presidental run, Howard dumps his image consultants, chosing to go his own path, ie running as a fiery, plain talking independant, beholding to no one! So far so good. But an independant what? Was Howard a hot blooded environmentalist, determined to make ecology the issue for our time? Sort of: he dumps a load of non-returnable desposit cans on the lawn of a soft drink manufacturer. Does he stand up to the Military-Industrial Complex, and re-address Federal spending priorities? Not particularly. He does sheepishly suggests that the military build their newest fort in a cave. Or was Howard a cranky libertarian, claiming that the government that governs least governs best--in a word, Get Out of My Face! That might have been more consistent with his character--but because I was (and still am) a leftist, I wanted a pro-environmental, anti-military HTD. But I could have understood (and lived with) a rabid right-wing (sic) pro-gun, pro-smoking, across the board tax cutting, anti-welfare crank, and (taking a page from Hoover's FBI) railing against "sob sister judges" who always seemed to be letting super villains go free. But Howard the Presidential candidate was none of those things.

What disappointed me was that Howard the Candidate was just the kind of insincere, amorphous mealy-mouth he hated: someone who demanded a platform to say something--only to have nothing to say. The Presidental campaign degenerated into a few wacky assassination attempts...and then the photo scandal of Howard and Bev supposedly bathing together--which never stuck me as particularly scandalous...but then again, 1976 was the same year where then Governor Jimmy Carter created a scandal by actually ADMITTING to have looked at other women with lust in his heart. He didn't do or say anything about the lust; he just looked, and kept his feelings to himself, in his heart.

I guess it wasn't just Howard's campaign that was particularly disappointing--but that's the subject of another article.

71.222.41.87 09:10, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Who cares what you wanted? The fact that you'd write this about a comic book might make one think you're a troll, but that wouldn't be assuming good faith. --70.142.42.81 01:43, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bill Mantlo and status quo

There's a passage here that's been bugging me for awhile, because it sounds an awful like like POV. It read as:

"Mantlo, beginning with Issue #30, returned the series to its former status quo, bringing Beverly back into the picture and having her divorce Doctor Bong, and getting Paul, who has been shot by the Ringmaster, out of the hospital."

Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but that statement reads to me like it was written by someone who preferred Gerber's direction and was upset to see this status quo restored. I've rewritten it as such:

"Beverly came back into the picture and divorced Doctor Bong, and got Paul, who has been shot by the Ringmaster, out of the hospital."

If we prefer the text the old way, it can always be brought back to where it was.  :) 204.153.84.10 (talk) 17:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

OK, like I said, keeping that line the way it was is fine... however, blanket reverting the rest of it was not appropriate. I added a number of details, and a whole lot of sources. I'm going to restore it bit by bit to make the differences clearer; if you want to undo any of the changes I make, please look at them one at a time instead of undoing all arbitrarily. 204.153.84.10 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 16:39, 11 February 2008 (UTC)