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rabota

Hey Hong, Rabota (or his socks) says he made the video, also he probably made the "fake (sic) of nanking video too. The same conclusion can also be drawn from his first user page [1] edit, as tamagawaboat is the guy who made the nanking video from youtube. His blog is a jap right wing apologist site, with ludicrous claims like japan fought nazis in china [2]. We should bring this to light, as the pictures the socks have uploaded not only violates copyright, but also smell strongly of original research as evidenced from these shitty websites. Also, the request for checkuser came back as "possible". However, if you go to User:MUSASHIKOGANEI's youtube page, you'd see that he is "tamagawaboat", as his original tamagawaboat youtube account has been suspended. User:Rabota is very likely the same person as User:MUSASHIKOGANEI and Tamagawaboat, based on his user page edit and a serious of reverts [3], [4], [5] evading my questioning whether he's tamagawaboat or not. Tamagawaboat is pretty famous for his original fake of nanking video and he seems to have visited many websites and blogs posting his rhetoric, especially in response to Ted Leonis's new Nanking documentary that's airing at the end of this year. Blueshirts 04:20, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey Hong, rabota sent me this video. Do you know how to report this to wiki admins? Thanks. Blueshirts 17:19, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Not sure. Maybe try reporting to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents? Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 18:24, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

List of British Chinese people

Newbie here. Read your contribution to the Nomination of for deletion for a similar list in the US. Now they are proposing another Mass Deletion of Ethnic List. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_British_Chinese_people

Do you think there is anyway that some kind of permanant policy can be established once and for all? Thanks. Chineseartlover 19:21, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. There is actually a proposed guideline for this issue. Take a look at Wikipedia:Proposed guideline for lists of people by ethnicity, religion, and other cultural categorizations. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 19:39, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. Wiki is getting too big and people are repaeting all the arguments without realising it :) Chineseartlover 19:55, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
The AFD of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_British_Asian_people concluded as "No consensus, defaulting to Keep". Yet similar AFD for Chinese in UK resulted in "deletion". I wonder if you might be interested to contribute to the following discussion? Thanks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_August_25#List_of_British_Chinese_people Chineseartlover 19:08, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Manzanar FAC

When you get some time, feel free to add your support for the Manzanar FAC! Gmatsuda 07:38, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Things are still going slowly. As of now, it looks like it's going to fail due to lack of interest, which is really quite sad. Hope you put in your two cents on the Manzanar FAC soon! -- Gmatsuda 07:39, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

The Original Barnstar
HongQiGong...thanks for your contributions to Manzanar, especially when we were "embroiled" in that debate over terminology. You helped put us back on track and look what happened...it's now an FA. Thanks again! -- Gmatsuda 22:14, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
You're the one that really deserves the praise for putting that article together. It's really a great article. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 03:28, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi there!

I just wanted to thank you for your cooperation and ask you a question. I'm a journalist and need the info for style purposes.

My doubt is: When you refer to something, let's say a movie, from New York in an international context, you say it's an American movie. But when you speak about something from Hong Kong in an international context, should you say it is something Chinese (since HK is now again a part of the PR) or something Hongkonian, due to the special rule of this territory? Thanks. --Damifb 18:34, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Redirect of Minzu

I noticed that you redirected Minzu to Zhonghua minzu. Would you mind explaining your thinking on the talk page please? That seems the best place for discussion. Matt 18:55, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Ethics

You've been persistently publishing on Wikipedia an unofficial map, which depicts the territories of other countries as part of China's territory. I understand all your love to China. If you love your country, please respect her neighbours too. Please don't cover your neighbours' yards in the map of your yard. I don't see anything hurting the ROC POV in the more official map I have suggested. Moreover, the map I suggested respects the POV of the Russian Federation, Mongolia, India and so on, without offending the POV of PRC, ROC, HK, Macao etc. :) Gantuya eng 03:36, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

We've been telling you over and over again - that article is not about the PRC. It's about "China". We can't use the PRC flag for an article that's not about the PRC. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 03:39, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Dear HongQiGong, May I ask you to be more polite. Please do not turn my talk page into a theatre of edit war with your repeated "warning" signs. They scare me. Gantuya eng 03:50, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

It is necessary to warn people who are in risk of violating WP:3RR. Please read about that policy. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 03:52, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

rply to email; will send some files

..may be useful... later! --Ling.Nut 02:26, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

..but in order for me to help with sources, you need to reply to my email. Wikipedia mail does not permit attachments, so I'll have to attach the files to your reply. Ling.Nut 04:15, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Oh. Duh.  :-p Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 07:06, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Rape of Nanking FAC

I'm really sorry, but I've been hard at work on another article and just didn't get a chance to look at that FAC and don't think I'll be able to get to it, since I have some travel pending. Good luck with it ! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:53, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Son Goku Saiyuki

If you disagree that Son Goku is part of the Saiyuki manga series, please remove the reference from List of main characters from Saiyuki and propose the redirect Son Goku (Saiyuki) for deletion. Failing that, it should be on the disambiguation page and there's no reason to remove it. Thanks. -- JHunterJ 02:19, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Chinese Foo Dog

An article that you have been involved in editing, Chinese Foo Dog, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chinese Foo Dog. Thank you. Evb-wiki 14:33, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Mass deletion nominations for ethnic group lists

Hi,

I see you've commented on a number of these deletion discussions that have just come up for ethnic-group people lists. Having all of these come up at once is problematic, I think, so I left a message at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents see "Mass deletion nominations for List of [Ethnic Group X] Americans". You may want to follow that or comment there. Noroton 00:27, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Asia Miles AFD

I noticed the arguments there, but I determined that the delete ones had a lot more weight. If you disagree (btw. you might want to check the deletion summary too), request a review. Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O) 06:15, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

That's OK. I was neutral to the deletion, but I thought that the AfD itself should have resulted in no consensus. I don't feel strongly about it either way. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 06:16, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Correcting a mistaken impression

After seeing your edit summary here, I wanted to clear a minor issue up. Please don't assume that because Kurt Leyman broke the three revert rule and was blocked, therefore his edit was 'wrong'. I have no particular opinion about the content of the edit; the three revert rule is about editor behaviour and not content. The fact that an editor is blocked under the rule does not mean that other editors can freely revert their changes without discussion or sanction if they are continuing an edit dispute. Sam Blacketer 15:28, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Faye Wong

Hi, please be careful with what you delete. On the Faye Wong article, while making your defensible WP:FLAGCRUFT edit, you also hacked out her birthplace.

Please edit with a scalpel, rather than with an axe!

-- Terry Carroll 15:47, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I was about to add that back in and actually had an edit conflict with your edit. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 15:51, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

flags

Oh ok. Looks like lots of infoboxes are going to need some work... Pandacomics 19:35, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Giovanni33-John Smith's

Hello,

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Giovanni33-John Smith's. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Giovanni33-John Smith's/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Giovanni33-John Smith's/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Picaroon (t) 01:27, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey

I left a message at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Modern Chinese music. I didn't know I was violating any real flag kruft rule. Feel free to swing by that page. Benjwong 06:16, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Nanking Massacre

Hi there. Do you think it would be a good idea to ask for an article review? I think this is an article that deserves attention - maybe with advice from neutral third parties it could get even better? John Smith's 22:23, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Asian American citations

User:Iseebias would not have been able to walk all over the Asian American article if the citations I added from sociologists had been kept in the article. They agreed with the US Census. Can my citations be added back in?----DarkTea© 14:42, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

It wasn't your citations that was the problem, it was the fact that you completely re-hauled the article without discussion. But either way, I doubt those citations would convince Iseebias of anything. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 16:06, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Please write an accurate article

Neo Gomanism Manifesto Special - On War - Please quote the part of Anti-Chinese sentiment in Japan. This book doesn't criticize China though there is a doubt of the history revisionism though I read this book. --KoreanShoriSenyou 15:32, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

This book is a book that investigated the crime of the foreigner who lives in Japan. Please quote the part that relates to China if it relates to China.) Kyōgaku no Gaijin Hanzai Ura File - Gaijin Hanzai Hakusho 2007　--KoreanShoriSenyou 15:39, 4 October 2007 (UTC) 　

Reversion

Why did you revert this edit? My rationale was correct. Beijing has always been Beijing, its just that the Cantonese form of the word sounded like Peking so that is why English translators romanized it as that. Later, English translators decided to go with an interpretation that was closer to the Mandarin form of the word and thats why Beijing (past, present, and future) is now called Beijing in English. 128.227.143.54 00:17, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Bloody Image with Clear face in Korea War

Edit War Help! I don't expect you vote in the talk page as Chinese, but only vote in a good faith of fair person. Dongwenliang 04:03, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Vandalsim edit from Grant65

Hello, i saw your discussion in Japanese_War_crime section. [6] Grant65 maybe vandalist. his edit is totally inappropriate in articel.[7] also, citaion is no relation, too. You and i are support to delete his edit. [8]. can you help me? how can i delete his vicious edit? Checkorder2 17:34, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Nanjing Massacre

Hi HongQiGong. I think the title of Nanking Massacre should be changed to Nanjing Massacre. Do you agree with me? I have also created the article Nanjing Massacre Memorial Hall. Please read the article and if you find any error, please let me know. Regards, Masterpiece2000 08:52, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Yao Ming

hongqigong, you're absolutely right, yao ming has chinese citizenship. also i think nobuo uematsu is of japanese citizenry. apologies, i forgot the article was about asian americans, not asian people in america... i am new to wiki, and do not know how to undo that, so if you or someone else could fix those changes, i'd appreciate it. thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by The infinite (talk • contribs) 05:30, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Protect this page: List of recipients of tribute from China

I have done some edits in this article to reverse the imbalance of the article. Please protect this article as I am busy most of the time.

With Kind regards,

James Collins —Preceding unsigned comment added by James collins123 (talk • contribs) 18:24, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I am not an admin, so I cannot protect anything. If you would like an article protected, you can request it at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. But do note that unless there is a valid reason for protection (vandalism, edit wars, etc), an admin will deny to protect the article. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 21:33, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Durian Durian

Thank you for improving my article! Totnesmartin 11:37, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Chinese renminbi

I assume that you realise that your edits of Chinese renminbi yesterday have removed the possibility of keeping the edit history of this page in one place without the intervention of an administrator. If you think this kind of subtle vandalism is clever, please think again. If you can't ensure that your point of view is reflected by the strength of your arguments, don't cheat. It's not big and it's certainly not clever.
Dove1950 16:23, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Help

Hello Hong. There's a rather heated argument on the Talk Page of The Society For Truth And Light, could you take a look at that when you've time? Regards.--K.C. Tang 07:16, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Lists of Hong Kong films

Hi, Hong. Remember me? ;) An editor who has been creating lists of films of particular countries has notified me about work that needs to be done for Hong Kong. He pointed me to Hong Kong films of 1971, which comes off the main article List of Hong Kong films, then to Hong Kong films of the 1970s. He started breaking the lists down by year, and commented that there were many important films missing on these lists. The editor himself has been working more on India, and appears to have taken a hopefully tempororary, but he claims permant, leave from Wikipedia. I've got my hands more than full working on the Japan and Korea areas. In working on the lists for Japan and Korea, I see that we already have many film articles started, but they haven't yet been put on the lists. This is probably the case for Hong Kong also. Maybe you know of someone who would like to take up the Hong Kong film lists? Regards. Dekkappai 23:37, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I'm aware of continuing efforts to populate those lists, and there's an outstanding request at the request page of WPHK to help populate them. But I suspect that nobody else has fully dedicated himself/herself to populate those lists because, well, it's an extremely ambitious goal. During its heyday, the HK movie industry was the 2nd highest producing movie industry in the world in terms of number of movies produced, behind India and ahead of Hollywood. Maybe you can post a note at the talk page of WPHK or WikiProject Modern Chinese music (the movie and music industries in HK are very intertwined) to ask if anybody is interested. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 01:07, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Right-- Listing every film from any one country would be an enormous task... much less one of the more prolific countries. I take these lists to mean, "Lists of films on which Wiki has articles". Anyway, I'll take your suggestion up tomorrow. Cheers. Dekkappai 01:16, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

In Remembrance...

Remembrance Day


--nat Alo! Salut! Sunt eu, un haiduc?!?! 01:25, 7 November 2007 (UTC)


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Re : Toyotaboy95's edits

Sure. I've also dropped a note on his talkpage, hope he actually reads it. - Cheers, Mailer Diablo (talk) 07:57, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Guan Yu

It seems Guan Yu is the winner of the WP:3K collaboration discussion.. I'm not gonna be helping quite as much as I did earlier.. but I hope you and _dk & Gamer Junkie can attack & conquer the citadel of FA together with this article.. later! Ling.Nut (talk) 00:57, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of 東北大學

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Interested in expanding an article?

I came across the Flying_guillotine_(weapon) article, which appears to be desperately in need of a rewrite at the moment. I did a little bit of searching on the net and there were lots of information about it - like this and this, but I have neither the time nor the energy to tidy up the article now. It certainly seems to be an interesting subject. I'd be glad if you could help expand the article. Thanks! Aran|heru|nar 08:01, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Here's a source in Simplified Chinese. I don't really have enough interest to do a re-write though.[9] Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 18:48, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

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infobox actor & singer

First off, thank you for your putting in time to make a new infobox. Second, is it possible to make the box just a bit wider? Haha. Preferably the width of the "This article contains Chinese text" template. (So then it's aligned and looks neat. I'm OCD like that.) Pandacomics (talk) 12:22, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Ok it's done. But the template needs to be re-rendered onto each article so the change won't show up until someone makes a new edit to an article. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 18:14, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Jung Chang

Are you going to take part in the discussion? Only I have some suggestions for the part you edited if you'd like to chat about them - drop me an e-mail if you've got the time. John Smith's (talk) 11:25, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

I can't tell where your suggestion is on the Talk page. Can you link me up? Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 17:51, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
That's because I haven't made them yet. Are you still interested in the page? I might need to send it to mediation. John Smith's (talk) 18:43, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

List of tributaries of Imperial China

Hello, friend. Ashikaga Yoshimitsu recieved 册封 as "日本国王", by china dynasty. Yoshimitsu united the Northern and Southern Court, then recieved 册封 by China. This 册封 represent to "Japan" country itself. and show China-Japan Diplomatic relation. moreover, after Ashikaga Yoshimitsu, this tributary relation succeeded. Japan recieved "日本国王印" 金印 from china.[10](Chinese) it represent to China-Japan relation. Japanese try to hide this truth... Japan was tributary state of China, since Han dynasty("漢"倭奴国王). Japan paid tibute to Han, Sui, Tang(master dynasty of Japan), Song, Ming... Japan recieved 册封 by China dynasty also send tribute to China. Toyotomi recieved 册封 by china in Ming dynasty 萬曆 24年. (1596 丙申 / 萬曆 24年) 12月 7日 " 倭將行長, 馳報秀吉, 擇於九月初二日, 奉迎冊命於大坂〔大阪〕地方受封。 職等初一日, 持節前往, 是日卽抵大坂〔大阪〕。 次日領受欽賜圭印、官服, 旋卽佩執頂被, 望闕行五拜三叩頭禮, 承奉誥命。" Conclusion, In history, Japan Recieved 册封 by China. Japan send 朝貢 to China. It is reasonable for including tributary list. Clerkwheelzeon (talk) 19:49, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Please, oppose JPOV change. Clerkwheelzeon (talk) 19:49, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Li Feihui

A small side note: if you take the notenglish tag off, it will end up being put back on WP:PNT again when someone decides to complain it's not in English. I myself would be happy with just the pronunciations of the titles being added, but monolingual editors don't tend to agree with my opinion... -Yupik (talk) 23:03, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

But I don't see any Chinese on the article that's not been translated. If someone puts it back on WP:PNT, it would basically be an invalid listing. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 23:06, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Ah true! Now I see that also took out the Chinese song titles. Thanks! -Yupik (talk) 23:11, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
No problem.  :) Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 23:13, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Code addition

Hi can you help make an addition to the Template:Infobox Chinese actor and singer? Right now the template turns lightblue when "currentmembers" has content. Can you also make it turn lightblue if "pastmembers" has content? I made an attempt in a preview box and it did not seem to accept another if-statement??? If you can't do it, just let me know. Thanks. Benjwong (talk) 05:59, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Ok, it's done. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 05:12, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Christianity in China

Hi, can you help me with this issue? --Esimal (talk) 13:41, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

There are problems with Protestantism in China too. The January 2007 claim has been used as the only source, despite it has been denied by the recent surveys. --Esimal (talk) 22:46, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Queen's Pier

I have noticed your recent edits to the above article. Whilst I am not opposed to selectively linking some truly historical dates dates, I do find the wholescale linking of dates in an article being counter-productive, and is certainly may be contrary to WP:DATE. I have no view on whether the date when the pier was inaugurated should be linked, but there should be a reciprocal link from the relevant date/year article, but they do not. I would reason that if it is important enough for the date page, the link is probably justified. However, I would question that 31 July 2007, when the High Court accepted the activists' application for a judicial review, is a sufficiently important date for wikilinking.

As far as the sentence abut the Chinese name, I believe it is relevant. Although what you said about Queen's Pier = 皇后碼頭 being correct, it is nevertheless dedicated to QV, so the relevance is direct. Ohconfucius (talk) 09:56, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Req for review

Hi, could you please check this addition (not mine) for correctness and applicability. Even if correct, it seems to slightly ... wierd/out of proportion, :) so I'd appreciate it if you could put it into some perspective.

Thanks. -- Fullstop (talk) 06:38, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedians interested in the subject of Chinese reunification nominated for deletion

See Wikipedia:User categories for discussion#Category:Wikipedians interested in the subject of Chinese reunification. –Pomte 19:39, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Other problems

It seems there are other problems. Can you give your opinion another time?

To me, the best way to keep neutrality is avoiding any kind of citations, both by USA leaders and other people. --Esimal (talk) 12:35, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi Hong! I've written the paragraph about positivities and negativities of Christianity in China. We should add also some informations about the relation of Christianity with colonialism. --Esimal (talk) 22:21, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Black Slaves in the Tang

I skimmed the article months ago, and found it interesting, but did not think to look for a more recent article. As of right now I am scraping up what I can find on the JSTOR database for any scholarly journals on the subject; preferably something a little more recent than the 1930s (;) lol). I do know that the Chinese had maritime contacts with East Africa since at least the 7th century, and it was Duan Chengshi who described the African slave trade by the Arabs there in the 9th century.

I have a question for you as well: I can't seem to find any good sources on the transition of Yuan to Ming dynasties, and the long process of rebellion and collapse. Do you know of any online articles or even books I should buy? I own tons of books on China but none of them really treat the subject well. I ask this because I've gotten the Tang and Song dynasty articles up to featured article status, and I am now shooting to get Ming Dynasty up to featured status.

Peace, Eric--Pericles of AthensTalk 04:17, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Of the top of my head I don't know any sources. But try books specifically on the Mongol empire. They may not discuss it in the context of dynastic Chinese rule though. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 04:38, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Found something

I found a bit of info about this in Gao Jinyuan's article China and Africa: The Development of Relations over Many Centuries (1984) featured in the African Affairs journal and published by Oxford University Press. After talking about Persians and Arabs settling in Yangzhou and Guangzhou during the Tang Dynasty, the article states:

These Arabs were presumably largely from West Asia, but it is also probable that some might have come from North Africa. And they also brought with them black slaves or servants, most of whom had their source in South Asia but some were noticeably from Africa.

In 1954 a clay figurine was found in a Tang tomb in a suburb of Sian, once the capital of the Tang Dynasty. It has every feature typical of an African, with black skin, flattish face, curly-swirly hair, broad nose and thick lips. The figure-maker must have been very familiar with the image of black Africans, possibly by watching them closely. Even more interesting is that many short stories in Tang Dynasty tell anecdotes about black servants or slaves who often display bravery, wisdom, unusual behavior and a sense of justice.

Well, there you have it. I can find more if you'd like.--Pericles of AthensTalk 04:31, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Duk Dou

I know you said just a kidding about the matter, but I feel very offended by your reckless sarcasm. I don't you where you're from either Mainland China or Taiwan.(Hong Kong certainly belongs to PRC), but China is also disputing with Japan over Senkaku Island. In addition, the some people think Taiwan is not an independent country and other don't. In the current status, if people are joking about the status of Taiwan, Taiwanese feel offended by the comment. Here is not a blog, so please refrain from saying inappropriate comment. --Appletrees (talk) 14:04, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

(If anybody was wondering what he's talking about - [11] - Or maybe Appletrees himself is being sarcastic? Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 02:26, 22 December 2007 (UTC))

Sorry to butt in here uninvited, but since I started the dialogue which led to Hong's comment to which you took offense, Appletrees, I'd like to remind you that we're not here to settle difficult political problems, and, really, not even to discuss them. We're here only to help each other write encyclopedic articles. I saw a funny scene in a film, and shared it with the editors of the article. I was happy to see Hong reply humorously-- it was quite obvious he was only making a joke, and, just to make sure, he stated quite clearly that he was only making a joke at the comment. Hong and I have had major difficulties with each other in the past, Appletrees, and I was happy to have a light exchange with him for a change. I meant no offense to either the Japanese or the Korean side in my part of that dialogue, and I am pretty sure that Hong did not either. I look forward to continued good work with you on the Korean film project, Appletrees. Regards. And, Hong, I am glad to have shared a laugh with you after our past battles. Cheers. Dekkappai (talk) 05:24, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Dekkappai, thank you for your explanation, but HongQiGong's the above comment also offensive as well. It doesn't matter what his intention was. He doesn't even realize how sarcastic he made on the disputed territories. I'm also a bit involve in the article, so the unfunny (well, Hong himself and few can be laugh)but offensive CPOV comment should not be written anywhere on the article. I've encountered him on several articles in which I've been interested, and tried to give positive inputs, but the reckless comment took away my first impression on him. And no apology from him yet. --Appletrees (talk) 10:57, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
OK, Appletrees. I usually try to stay out of these sorts of disputes-- I drank a lot of makkeolli with my family & friends last night, and stepped in here against my better judgment... Anyway, I'll step aside and let you two sort it out. One more word of advice though-- I could have easily taken offense at the video Hong posted (naturally, the portrayal of the Japanese did offend me a bit), but I took it in the spirit it was offered-- as a humorous look, on the talk page, at a difficult situation. We encounter all kinds of people from all over the world here, but as long as they seem to be trying to make positive contributions, we should try to assume good faith. I can understand your taking offense at Hong's statement, as I have taken offense at some of his actions in the past. But probably just a gentle note to Hong explaining your feelings would work best. Anyway, back to editing... Best of luck! Dekkappai (talk) 17:44, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Alright, I apologise for making that joke. But just so you know, I am keenly aware of the Diaoyu Islands situation and I probably would find it funny if someone makes a joke and say the article for the islands should be renamed to the Korean name. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 18:03, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Talesrunner

I noticed that you removed this article from Articles Needing Translation into English. You may not have noticed, but this page actually has two parts. The top part is for articles that have some untranslated non-English text, which fits the title of the page nicely. The bottom half of the page is for pages that have been fully translated, but need some cleanup on the language. Often, this is where pages go when they have been translated by machine or by a translator who is not fully fluent in English. The Talesrunner article falls into the second category, which is why it is in the bottom half of the page. I think you should restore the entry so that the article still has the visibility it needs. Cbdorsett (talk) 07:21, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Done.[12] Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 07:51, 23 December 2007 (UTC)