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[edit] Career

In all seriousness; there is definate merit to at least a passing mention to his numerous careers. The fact the article does not even say words to the effect of "the series frequently makes use of a gage whereby Homer changes assumes a new career" is not a good thing Rotovia (talk) 09:38, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Last episode.

In the last episode, it is shown that Homer is 36 and that he shared his first kiss with Apu. Should this be included in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gabriel Surette (talk • contribs) 16:03, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

I've not seen the ep in question, but first kiss is too trivial and episode-based to include. Age might be worth notice in biography, where the last paragraph covers his age — 36 in a 2007 episode may contradict other statements in that paragraph. / edg ☺ ☭ 16:14, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
they have listed many ages, and Bart was the one that made Homer think his first kiss was with Apu...neither are worth noting Ctjf83 talk 18:17, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Bart made him think his first kiss was with Apu.It really was Marge —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.183.25.178 (talk) 04:59, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Homer´s akas

Maybe Homer´s Bio should include his eventual name changes thru the years (Max Power, Homer Thompson, Hercules Rockefeller, etc!) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.75.105.41 (talk) 06:20, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't think so, as it would be trivial crud that doesn't belong in an encyclopedia. Gran2 06:23, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Middle Name

Whenever they say his middle name, Im pretty sure they mean J., which could stand for something like john or joseph, rather than jay. are there a few sources that say jay? 99.234.164.101 00:36, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

His middle name is revealed in the episode D'oh-in in the Wind, it aired in season 10. -- Scorpion0422 01:48, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] homers heritage

in the simpsons family album the simpsons family tree shows that homers heritage is Native American and french —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.80.124.17 (talk) 23:10, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

It's not canon, and even if it was mentioned in the series, it really wouldn't be too notable. -- Scorpion0422 23:14, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Well, Native American is technically canon according that episode where Lisa pretends to be in the "Hitachi" tribe (Homer suddenly remembers he DOES have Indian blood at the end of the episode).—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 23:45, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
White Americans enjoy pretending to have Native American heritage, even if they have none. It is a notable manifestation of white guilt. --Humanophage (talk) 16:19, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Profile table

Okay, now the table's screwed up. I suck at making tables on the web, so can anyone fix this? GGHammy 09:48, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Homer's weight.

In the latest episode (November 11th), his weight is revealed as being 241, should this be included in Homer's physical information (along with age, name, etc)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.5.200.68 (talk) 20:28, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

No, several weight have been mentioned Ctjf83 talk 18:17, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Useful quote

For a comparison between Homer and Peter Griffin if I decide to add one:

-- Scorpion0422 19:52, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Originally Homer was "very angry", the original idea was that it was Homer (the oppressive dad) vs. Bart, but this was toned down when they started exploring his character (Groening, Marge on the Lam) -- Scorpion0422 03:55, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

The link to "The 50 Greatest TV Icons" (a reference note from the "Reception" sub section) appears to be vandalized at some point in the past. Someone should fix it. SevenMass (talk) 20:46, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

- OK THX Scorpion0422 for fixing it. http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20152957_20152958_20159773_41,00.html SevenMass (talk) 23:23, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GA Sweeps (on hold)

Per a special request, I've reviewed this article for the process of GA Sweeps. Here are some of the concerns that need to be addressed if this is to remain a Good Article:

  1. "Homer's age was initially 34 but, as the writers aged, they found that he seemed a bit older too, so they changed his age to 38; this is contradicted by The Homer Book which states Homer is currently 36." (Biography) This all needs citing, especially since some of it ("as the writers aged, they found that he seemed a bit older too") sounds like original research without a citation. Y Done
  2. "His age has generally been stated as being between 34 and 40." (Biography) Sounds like original research without a citation, or at least more explanation. Y Done
  3. There is no fair use ratione for Image:Mothersimpson.PNG to be used in the article Homer Simpson (just two other articles) Y Done
  4. "Homer has stolen golf balls from the local driving range, cable television, office supplies and computers from work, and beer mugs from Moe's Tavern.[12] Also, while 'working the night shift' with the rest of the employees at a "Sprawl-Mart" he made off with a number of plasma screen TVs on a forklift, while at the same time breaking out of the store." (Personality) This paragraph seems like random trivia to me; it needs to connect better with the rest of the section or be removed. Y Done
  5. The "Non-English sections" is either incomplete, or should be renamed, as it only discusses the version adapted for the Arabic speaking world. It disrupts the flow of the prose as well. Y Done
  6. "Cultural references" needs to be rewritten so that it flows properly. Right now, it's just a collection of loosely associated facts crammed together under one heading. Similarly, "Home Simpson Syndrome" is too small and insignificant in its current state to merit its own Level 3 Heading, and should probably be merged with "Cultural references" Y Done
  7. The lead needs to conform to WP:LEAD. It must adequately summarize all the major points/headings made in the article (as a rough guideline, every Level 2 or 3 header should have at least one sentence about it in the lead) and should not introduce any facts that are not present in the body of the article, such as the fact that "Homer embodies several American working class stereotypes" or Castellaneta's quote. Y Done

Per the GA Sweeps guidelines, the article will be delisted if the concerns are not addressed within seven days. Thank you for your work thus far. Cheers, CP 21:23, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the review. I'll do what I can. Just a small note about #5, I'm currently expanding the article and I really wanted to include a "Non-English versions" section. For now I'll move it to cultural influence, but the section will be expanded and readded eventually when I have more time to find more sources. -- Scorpion0422 22:51, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Sounds good. Cheers, CP 17:10, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
I believe I have fixed everything. Is there anything else? -- Scorpion0422 01:53, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Looks great. Definitely retaining its GA status. Cheers, CP 02:33, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] new episode

THe new episode That 90's Show puts a preverbial wrench in a steady timeline the biography needs to be rewrittenMarioman12 (talk) 03:37, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

If the biography needs to be significantly rewritten after a single episode, it has problems per WP:WAF. / edg ☺ ☭ 05:21, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Unfortunately, you're both right. That episode has totally destroyed the timeline set by the previous flashback episodes, so it looks like it may have to be removed. -- Scorpion0422 13:57, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Out of curiousity, why does the article mention nothing about Sadgasm or the B-Sharpes? Surely Homers musical pursuits should be mentioned? Jay794 (talk) 22:03, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Because they both contradict eachother. "Homer became a grunge pioneer in the 90s with Sadgasm, then after Bart and Lisa were born, formed a Barbershop Quartet called The Be Sharps in the 80s." Besides, we're trying to avoid getting into too many specifics with the biography. Although to be honest, I am contemplating merging the bio and personality sections. -- Scorpion0422 22:09, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Homer's ATM

Hi! I suggest a following addition to the article about Homer Simpsons. Unfortunately, I don't know how to format it properly. If anybody wants and can, please do it for me! "Homer's ATM card number is 3144." Here's where I've got it from: "Simpsons Comics Belly Buster, First Edition, ISBN 0-06-058750-4, Publisher: Matt Groening. Page 115."

WP:FOOT has instructions for how to make footnotes using <ref></ref> tags, and {{Cite book}} would be a good template for that source information. However, Homer's ATM card number is just too trivial to include here. If we started including details of that nature, this article would go on for miles and become unreadable; information like this usually gets deleted immediately. / edg ☺ ☭ 05:03, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Why was I reverted?

An IQ of 55 is mentally retarded! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.184.40.212 (talk • contribs)

It's a fricking cartoon, and we know Homer is dumb. Alientraveller (talk) 14:44, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] picture

can't we get a better picture than that horrible Simpsons Movie promo? doesnt seem very reflective of the character, particularly with the donut Artrush (talk) 13:02, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

A better picture of what? The Cern Abbas giant Homer? Gran2 14:08, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Homer loves his donuts. Alientraveller (talk) 14:43, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
If you can find a better FREE image, then by all means please add it. -- Scorpion0422 15:47, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merge from D'oh!

I think the article could easily be merged here. Most of the relevant real world info is already here, and the rest is just overdetailing of uses in episodes and a listing of various titles with d'oh in them. -- Scorpion0422 00:43, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Oppose The usage of "D'oh" has grown beyond simply Homer Simpson, and merging it into his article would nullify its real world significance. I fear that once merged it would be ruthlessly eviscerated to not more than a mere mention as part of Homer's personality. --Captain Infinity (talk) 04:14, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
While I see where Scorpion0422 is coming from, I find myself agreeing with Captain Infinity that the word has grown beyond being a mere catchphrase and is notable in and of itself, independent of Homer. faithless (speak) 07:32, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Oppose as per Captain infinity. I too see Scorpions point but the usage of the word has indeed grown beyond Homer and is in a way an independent word these days. .:Alex:. 12:18, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Support Most of the information on the article on "D'oh" contains fancruft and it being summarized down to what's encyclopaedic is small enough to be a section on another article. Martarius (talk) 15:26, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Oppose Per Captain Infinity. The word no longer revolves just around Homer Simpson, it's become part of pop culture. DiverseMentality (Talk) (Contribs) 01:47, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Oppose I just skipped through "What links here" and thought of all of those legacy links suddenly being redirected into a subsection of an article about a fictional cartoon character … a little Too Much information … "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!" … Happy Editing! — 151.200.237.53 (talk · contribs) 05:36, 14 June 2008 (UTC)