Talk:Homer Simpson/Archive 2

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Contradictory Comedy

I think a lotta this stuff may be fruitless. The Simpsons is full of contradictions, plotholes and bad continuity - something which is often played upon by the writers for much of the humour in the later series.

Rewrite

I am going to slowly work my way through each section and rewrite them. I will remove anything that is POV, pointless, extraenous, original research, overly trivial, uncited and generally odd. -Localzuk (talk) 19:48, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm up to the Health Issues section but am giving up for the night. I will be back tomorrow to carry on. I am hoping to get this article at least back up to Good Article status. If anyone can go through and add <ref></ref> style references to particular episodes where needed that would help a lot.-Localzuk (talk) 23:13, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Right, I have made a lot of changes to the article. It still needs a lot more work to reduce the over-reliance on his fictional details and increase the information about his influence on society, his creation, how his voice is produced etc...-Localzuk (talk) 16:29, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Trivia section

I am moving the trivia section onto the talk page so that anything useful can be worked into the rest of the article. As it stands, it has very little value in the article as it is difficult to read, too long and contains a lot of pointless things. Take a look at WP:TRIVIA and WP:AVTRIV for information on how to use trivia more effectively.-Localzuk (talk) 22:42, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Trivia

  • According to Simpson and Delilah, Homer's social security number is 668-47-8008.
  • According to Blood Feud, Homer's blood type is A-positive and his earmuff size is XM.
  • According to Duffless, Homer's eye color is blueish greenish yellowish.
  • Homer appears to eat Comic Books from the Silver Age
  • Homer's age is also given as 36 years in Homer the Vigilante and Homer the Heretic.
  • In a few episodes Homer is seen playing the lottery and he always gets two liberty bells and one cherry.
  • A 55 I.Q. would serve 25 points below the border of mental retardation (which is 80, but in English law is set at 70), the Forrest Gump character portrayed by Tom Hanks had an I.Q. of 75, 20 points above Homer's. A 55 I.Q. in reality would be considered extreme mental retardation and an individual with that I.Q. would in most cases have difficulty speaking, a very short memory and find it hard to purchase everyday items and above all, would never be able to drive a car, which Homer does often. Homer's idiocy in reality would be defined by an I.Q. between 70 and 90, rather than 55.
  • Creator Matt Groening incorporates his initials (M.G.) into Homer; the "M" being the hair on the side of Homer's head and the "G" being Homer's ear.
  • According to The Dad Who Knew Too Little, Homer's e-mail address is chunkylover53@aol.com.
  • Once Homer bought a $1.00 package of Drake's Yodels instead of a lottery ticket that was $1.00 that he knew was a $500.00 winner.
  • Homer is addicted to painkillers, mentioned in Behind the Laughter.
  • Homer's favorite movie is Look Who's Oinking.
  • His favorite band is Grand Funk Railroad.
  • Also enjoys listening to The Rolling Stones, Bachman-Turner Overdrive, and Cheap Trick.
  • In a few episodes he is portrayed as a skilled guitarist.
  • Helped his softball team win the championship game by getting knocked unconscious by a pitch with the bases loaded.
  • Dreams of one day owning the Dallas Cowboys
  • Owner of the Denver Broncos
  • Has Don Ameche's Academy Award on his trophy shelf.
  • Middle name is Jay.
  • Proposed to his wife Marge with an Onion Ring.
  • Has dislikes for: New York City, Mountain Dew, President George H.W. Bush and son George W. Bush, Hippies (although he was one in one episode)
  • Once mistaken as Big Foot
  • Served in the Naval Reserve
  • Has been to: Japan (Thirty Minutes over Tokyo), Australia (Bart vs. Australia), Cuba (The Trouble with Trillions), Brazil (Blame It on Lisa), England (The Regina Monologues), Scotland (Monty Can't Buy Me Love), France (Bart-Mangled Banner), Italy (The Italian Bob), the Netherlands (Burns' Heir), China (Goo Goo Gai Pan), Canada (Midnight Rx), Sweden (Homer's Barbershop Quartet), Africa (Missionary: Impossible), India (Homer and Apu and Kiss Kiss, Bang Bangalore), and outer space (Deep Space Homer).
  • Other than being a Nuclear Power Safety Technician, he has also been: a country music manager, a clown, an astronaut, a minor league baseball mascot, a newspaper reporter, the owner of the Denver Broncos, a navel commander, a body guard, the owner of an internet providing company, a snow plow driver, an artist, a boxer, a circus freak, a server at a fast food restaurant, a grave digger, a missionary, a self-proclaimed inventor, the mayor of "New Springfield", a vigilante, the union representative of his power plant, a public safety advocate, the inventor of tomacco, a black jack dealer, the voice for an animated character, the inspiration for a bumbling policemen on a sitcom, the father figure for an orphan child named Pepe, inventor of the Flaming Homer, grand master of a secret society, a snitch, a 'Guitar Hero’, an employee of the Kwik-E-Mart, a greeter at Sprawl-Mart, and also a series of get rich quick schemes that never panned out.
  • A character named Homer Simpson appears in Nathanael West's 1939 novel "The Day of the Locust".

Homer Jobs - Should their be a list of Homer's Jobs ?

Top Ten on Late Show

Homer appeared as himself on the February 13, 2003 episode of The Late Show with David Letterman to present his Top Ten reasons as to why he was excited to be on the show. The list:

10. I'm happy to reunite with my college lover Biff Henderson.
9. Free crackers in the Green room. Mmm... Crackers.
8. I can take advantage of low, low New York prices.
7. Uh, couldn't come up with this one.
6. I love the Dancing Itos.
5. I finally get to be on a real network.
4. Your minimum guest payment is the most money I've ever seen in my life.
3. Marge always puts out on vacation.
2. I get to raid your writing staff.
1. Paul and I have the same barber. Give me my money, Letterman. I want my money.

Likes

Homer is a fan of music by Grand Funk Railroad, Steve Miller Band, The Who, Queen, possibly KISS, and The Beatles. He's also a fan of Sheriff Lobo, enjoys bowling and is also a fan of Rex Morgan, M.D.

Trivial information being added and more information required

Please can we try not to add little snippets of trivia unless it is absolutely necessary. For example, we do not need to know the name of the hair re-growth formula. If we don't keep the trivia out then the article is never going to be a good or featured article.

Also, can we try and add some more 'real world' information, such as his cultural impact, details of his creation etc...?-Localzuk(talk) 16:58, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Sexuality

The entire section on sexuality seems a little redundant. There's never really been any dispute over Homer's sexuality, so I don't see the point of listing every joy-inspired kiss and throwaway joke relating to homosexuality in the show's run.

The section claims that Homer is "severely homophobic". His predjudice has hardly been mentioned since Homer's Phobia, which is where all the evidence the section provides comes from. Since the ending to that episode centers around Homer accepting gay people, coupled with the acceptance he's shown in later episodes, I believe this is irrelevant. Shiro Sirius 21:29, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Also, is fantasizing about making out with a clone of yourself considered homosexual or just self-centered? Or masturbation? ;-) 65.95.157.80 06:32, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Its not gay its masturbation ♥Eternal Pink-Ready to fight for love and grace♥ 12:55, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Removing "unsourced" template

Excuse me if I have missed out on previous discussions concerning this topic, but isn't the show itself the source for most of the statements in this article? I'm removing the "unsourced" template because of this. --Impaciente 19:21, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Each claim still needs a citation to their episodes. Else it is 'unreferenced'. Don't get unverifiable confused with this.-Localzuk(talk) 19:43, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

105 IQ

Is an IQ of 105 really that smart? I've heard that the average is either 100 or 120, which certainly doesn't seem to fit how smart he was in that episode. 65.95.157.80 06:34, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

The average IQ in any of the scales is 100. I believe they choose 105 as Homers higher intelligence just to illustrate how low it originally was. 85.225.24.12 14:46, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I think its also to show how dumb evrey one in springfeald is if he is a genus compered to them ♥Eternal Pink-Ready to fight for love and grace♥ 18:55, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

mysterious tv commercial

The seen from an episode where homer becomes a limo driver, it shows lisa reading a gag newspaper & outta the blue a limo ad mystyreously apperes on the screen when the tv is supposedly off, what happened?

Wikipedia is not a fan site. You would be better asking that sort of question elsewhere. Thanks, Localzuk(talk) 06:38, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

A little more work needed!

The article is shaping up quite well I think, although it still needs more 'real life' information. I have now added a brief summary of the 'Dream Jobs' section - this is likely in need of some work to improve it.

The only other thing that remains, as I see it, is that we need to put down the last couple of citations to episodes that are requested.

We still need to make more an effort to split the general character traits from the individual episode bits. We also need to remove as much of the 'reading into jokes' as possible and reduce the amount of examples we use. Any ideas anyone?-Localzuk(talk) 11:33, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

  • I've removed a few episode details, including his flask hidden in the hollowed out bible, and his pie crust with cloves experiment. ----Raenbow

Gay episode

Which episode did Homer think Bart was gay? Homer made a friend with a homosexual, then he found out he was gay. Homer though Bart was acting gay, so he took him out and made him do manly stuff with him. -71.224.24.99 19:19, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

LOL I dont recall any episode like that. Although it's not beyond an animated comedy like the Simpsons. TέΉ ѕΡίɗΣR ( ŢάḶκ | ÇόηṬŕĺβs ) 21:51, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Forgot the name of the episode but it was an actual episode.

The Name of the Episode was Homer's Phobia

Homer's Age

The article states that Homer was 36 through seasons one through ten; I've never heard his age to be 36 in any episode, but the article mentions that it was initially 36 in DVD commentary. I've heard ages 38, 39, and in one episode, Homer was given the age 37 during a season eight episode, proving the statement of Homer being 36 for the first ten seasons wrong. Plus the article says in seasons 14-17, he was 36 again, which is also wrong. Here are episodes/sources that mention Homer's age:

16:46, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, there was an episode where he reminisced his time at summer camp sometime "in the late 50's, the 60s, or the early 70's,", which would place him to be somewhere in his thirties or forties. TέΉ ѕΡίɗΣR ( ŢάḶκ | ÇόηṬŕĺβs ) 21:50, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Indeed! Include this info please. The info box should now read 36 - 39 (depends on episode) instead. Cheers, Localzuk(talk) 22:22, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
I want to add that the book "The Simpsons: A complete guide to our favorite family" says he is 36 years old. --Maitch 19:18, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Yes, and that book was published in 1999 - 7 years ago... Things have changed as time went by, for example when new series' come out. The age varies - why try and change it to a single year when it is obviously not a single year?-Localzuk(talk) 20:49, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Oops, that would be the second book. The first book was published in Oct 1998 - 8 1/4 years ago...-Localzuk(talk) 20:51, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Actually I have nothing to do with this ongoing edit war. I justed wanted to list another source. --Maitch 20:53, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Listitous starting to re-grow

We appear to be suffering from a bad case of 'list-itous' or 'example-itous' - where we seem to be continually adding items to each are of the article as examples of Homer's habits, abilities etc... The main problem with this page is these lists. Most of these items do not add anything to the discussion of his character and just seem to be coming from fans who remember far too much about the episodes. Wikipedia is supposed to be an encyclopedia. This means we provide a collection of information that summarises a subject according to its important and interesting points. The key words here being 'summarise', 'important' and 'interesting'.-Localzuk(talk) 23:09, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Born in Canada?

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20020720/simpons_canadian_020719?s_name=&no_ads=

Quote from the article:

In Montreal for a performance of The Simpsons - In the Flesh stage show at the Just for Laughs comedy festival, Groening noted Thursday his dad was born in Canada and Homer is named for him so . . . .

"That would make Homer Simpson a Canadian," Groening said in an interview. "I hope Canadians won't hold it against the show now that they know.

How to Improve the Article

This article has been graded as a Top priority within the Simpsons WikiProject and has been chosen by the Article Improvement Drive in an effort to upgrade it to at least Good Status. It needs some work, some sections will have to be sourced, others will have to be cleared. So does anyone have any ideas? -- Scorpion0422 21:36, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I have proposed a reorganization on the Simpsons Featured Article Drive I would like comment on. Natalie 21:40, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
(edit conflict) I've said it before, and I'll say it again - end the lists!!! If we can get past the obsession of having to give 10 examples for every minor detail of Homer's character then it should be much easier to sort out.
Also, the last drive said that we need less focus on the character traits and more focus on real world things (ie. more in the cultural influence section).
Finally, we need to analyse things from a more 'non-fiction' manner - for example, it is not enough to say that Homer is a fat lazy slob, instead we need to show the reasons why this is done etc... Relate it to the real world.
As it stands the article looks like a fan listing.-Localzuk(talk) 21:43, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Well, I haven't taken a full look at everything yet, but most of the lists will go. Pages with a lot of lists generally don't become Good Articles. -- Scorpion0422 21:54, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
I've been through the article twice and done major culls in the last 6 months, but the lists re-grow. I think that Natalie's ideas regarding structure are correct - I think the structure we have at the moment leads to this list problem. If we can move away from it then the problem should sort itself out really. (Much like reducing the trolling in a criticism section by merging the criticism throughout an article - if it isn't shiney, people aren't attracted to it).-Localzuk(talk) 22:08, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Very true Localzuk. But if you think Homer's lists are bad, check out Bart Simpson. Natalie 22:57, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
The first thing I thought when I looked at that page is 'argh, my eyes!!', this was closely followed by 'it looks just like Homer Simpson's article did a year ago'. Boy does that one need work. Lets hope we get cleared up here quickly.-Localzuk(talk) 23:49, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Do we need a General Biography

I noticed that Homer no longer has a general biography because its been merged into various sections. He needs a short one, but how big should it be? Because it could just turn into "In [Random Episode] Homer [Did random thing]." which won't get it featured.

I have suggested at the project page (linked above) that we remove any one-episode information, unless it is given as a reason for a theme of Homer's personality. An example of things that would go out: all of Homer's one-episode jobs, any one-episode changes in appearance. Things that would stay in: how he apparently lost his hair (given in a flashback episode), the crayon in his brain (since this is, AFAIK, the only reason given for his wide swings in intelligence). Natalie 22:45, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Indeed, all single episode info should go - as it is not relevant to 'Homer as a whole'.-Localzuk(talk) 23:49, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

How should we do it?

I've been looking through some pages and I've been wondering how much of the page should be dedicated to Homer in the show. Shoul we write basically a biography of Homer based on the show with some stuff on his real life impact, or should we do the reverse and focus on his real life impact?

I do think it is important to note most of whats there, but I've been looking at pages for some (liek Bugs Bunny) which focus more on Bugs Bunnys impact than anything. Of course, Bugs Bunny is far older and has gone through many more changes than Homer. -- Scorpion0422 00:22, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Cultural Influences

At prior peer reviews it was mentioned that this section needed more content. How can we increase the content (as most of the additions I made to it have now been removed)?-Localzuk(talk) 13:49, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Request for input

I posted this at the Featured Article Drive for the Simpsons WikiProjectt, but haven't gotten any comment there: I think Homer's page should completely ignore the in-show history, as this really isn't important to understanding his character, in favor of more personality traits (i.e. interaction w/ family, religion, etc). If there are no complaints in the next couple of days I will make these changes (getting the other info from the older versions of the page), so if you hate this idea, please tell me! Natalie 21:21, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

GA notes

Good article it seems, just some notes:

  • All cites have to be directly after sentences or punctuation.
  • Images in infobox and personality sections need fair use rationales.
  • Get rid of the Recognition heading: you don't need it.

Wiki-newbie 15:36, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I also just noticed the Biography section has some past tense. Please correct it to present tense. Wiki-newbie 15:48, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Done and done. Except for the biography note, I just went through that section and since it refers to events that happened in the past, shouldn't it be written in past tense? -- Scorpion 16:28, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
WP:WAF specifies that all fiction should be written in present tense. It never happened, that's why, if you catch my drift. Also, refs should go after commas. Wiki-newbie 16:31, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
You mean it should be ,[ref][/ref].  ?
And I looked through the section and in a lot of cases, changing it to present tense would ruin the article. -- Scorpion 16:46, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

OK, Fair use for young Homer please. Wiki-newbie 18:48, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm still having problems with the Biography. Basically, just edit the article to write stuff like Homer is born, Homer returns and so on and so forth. Wiki-newbie 19:23, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Good job on the bio. Last couple of things, and believe me that GA will lie on your talk page. Could you cite the episode about Maggie's birth, and the DVD commentary about his age? Also, put a note down about the show's floating timeline, so a Simpsons newbie won't think the show is always set in the early 1990s. Wiki-newbie 19:49, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Done and done. -- Scorpion 20:02, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Why is the citation note in the section heading? The superscript doesn't show up in the TOC, so it seems to read "Biography1", which seems odd. Can this citation be moved to the end of the section or is there some precedent/policy I'm not aware of? Natalie 20:50, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
I didn't know where else to put it, but the floating timeline should be noted somewhere. GO ahead and move it. -- Scorpion 20:54, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree it should be noted. I'm going to put it in italics as the first sentence. Natalie 20:56, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
I see you have already moved it. Works for me. Natalie 20:57, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

GA awarded

Well done. First GA for a Simpsons character, now let's see what we (I may have a go) can do for the other members of the family. Wiki-newbie 20:09, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

As Homer would say, Woo-hoo! Natalie 20:36, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
It still has a long way to go before its FA quality, but its a good start. For the time being, I think the focus is going to shift to Bart and try to get him to GA status. Good job to everyone who contributed! -- Scorpion 20:43, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Location

Is there any information on his location? I mean like he lives at 742 Evergreen Terrace and his phone number is (636) 555-0113 (as proved in A Tale of Two Springfields, but was for that episode 939 instead of 636). Cipher (Yell) 18:14, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

As you said, he does live at 742 Evergreen Terrace but in a few other episodes you are told that they live at different addresses. For example, on New Kid On The Block Bart prank calls Moe Szyslak to get revenge on Jimbo Jones for dating Laura Powers. Bart says his name is Jimbo Jones and he lives at 1092 Evergreen Terrace. Fr4zer 12:59, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Category overkill

Most of these are one-episode situations.

Does anyone object to my deleting the rest? / edgarde 19:32, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Keep the ones you & I mentioned and dump the rest, but random people keep adding them, so many will be back. -- Scorpion 19:39, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Don't fictional Protestants and fictional Christians kind of overlap? I'd say just fictional Protestants. And Scorpion is right that the article needs frequent policing to keep people from adding a bunch of unimportant junk, including categories. Natalie 22:14, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
They overlap a little, but i don't see the importance of keeping them. He converted to catholic and made his own religion in some episodes. and also, when was Homer a soldier? The time traveller one is also pretty weak since he only went back in time once or twice. --Kzrulzuall 09:49, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
He's technically been in the army/navy three times, and we should list him as a Christian but perhaps Protestants could go. -- Scorpion 13:33, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Simpsons Walk Of Fame Star

I was just thinking that surely the Simpsons Walk Of Fame Star should be put on the page about about the show, The Simpsons, and not the Homer Simpson page as this Walk Of Fame Star is for the show and not the character. Fr4zer 12:47, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Page protection

Childish amounts of spam appear on this page quite regulary, i suggest that this page should be rewritten and potected

I assume you mean vandalism, but I still don't think it's quite at the level of protection yet. Admins tend to be wary about protecting pages. Natalie 14:06, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Is Homer Jay Simpson characterized by being often ill-tempered, in particular in his role as father and husband?

The present article states that "Homer's personality is one of frequent stupidity, laziness and explosive anger". An expression of the latter personality trait towards his son is even illustrated there as

Homer is therefore an example of an ill-tempered individual - he should be explicitly so called and linked.

Further, the present article characterizes Homer initially and generally already as "crude, overweight, intolerant, inept", and then refers to Homer specificly in his role as husband and father again and redundantly as "often inept".

Consequently, I'm going replace the second, redundant instance of "often inept" with the more specific "often ill-tempered". Frank W ~@) R 21:26, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

so? -- Scorpion 21:41, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
That link doesn't actually link to any specific info about 'ill-temper' it links to a non-existent subsection of a disambiguation page... What is the point of linking to there?-Localzuk(talk) 21:46, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Your edit contains a wikilink with extraneous text (much like the extraneous text contained in the broken links in your above comment), which is a great reason to revert it.

Although often [[Temper#Anger:such as the ill-temperance expressed by ::Dr. Evil::-s sea bass|ill-tempered]]

A redirect to Anger might be okay, but IMO it was fine or better before, and I have no problem if someone else reverts it to "often inept". Please fix whatever it is that inserts nonsense in your edits. / edgarde 21:53, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Is this all this discussion is about? The use of the word "inept"? A redirect to the word anger would be ok but [[Temper#Anger:such as the ill-temperance expressed by ::Dr. Evil::-s sea bass|ill-tempered]] is just too much..

Actually, if u read it properly, ill tempered doesn't fit with the text. It seems really awkward.

Although often "ill-tempered", he is a caring and devoted husband and father and has come to be known as a lovable oaf.

His neglect towards his family should be laziness not his temper problem. As said in the article, his temper is usually caused by somethin and is unintentional, except in some circumstances. His ineptness is usually towards his disbelief of duty and work. --|K.Z|Z.K| Do not vandalize... 05:14, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

However, don't forget the meaning of "Kwyjibo" where Marge adds "and a short temper." --The preceding comment was signed by User:Sp3000 (talk•contribs) 05:41, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
But kwyjibo in the context has nothin to do with his ineptness towards handling family tasks. The kwyjibo, in the context, means he is very short tempered. Anger and inept is two different things. When ur inept, u are either unable to do somethin, don't know how to do somethin or can't be bothered to do somethin; which is when laziness comes in. Im sure, and it has been mentioned quite a few times in the many series', that if homer tries to do somethin for his family, he will succeed. I make this clear: his ineptness has nothing to do with anger Short temper might come in when "inept" is first mentioned, but not the second time. --|K.Z|Z.K| Do not vandalize... 08:08, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Overall, to answer this question I'd say his stupidity caused by that crayon. --The preceding comment was signed by User:Sp3000 (talk•contribs) 02:04, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Stupidity? i thought we were talkin about the use of the word "inept"? --|K.Z|Z.K| Do not vandalize... 02:37, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Homer the Greek?

In the episode I Am Furious Yellow, Homer states 'I'm simply passionate, like all Greeks!' Is this just a throw away gag, or should it be mentioned in the page? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wikiwarlock (talk • contribs) 22:07, 21 January 2007 (UTC).

There is no other episode to support this theory, so i'll say that its either a one-time thing or one of the stupid things that homer says. Most one time things aren't worth mentionin in this article --|K.Z|Z.K| Do not vandalize... 05:05, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Images

There's too less images for this article, suggest we get more images that shows homer doin different things, such as being anry at Flanders, sleepin at work, etc. --|K.Z|Z.K| Do not vandalize... 05:10, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

There's enough images, this is an encyclopedia, not an art gallery. --The preceding comment was signed by User:Sp3000 (talk•contribs) 05:52, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
It would also be hard to justify such images under fair use. We have a good balance at the moment.-Localzuk(talk) 07:41, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Many freely-licensed images available here.

[1] Can be used to show the cultural effect of homer as well as heavy marketing for homer (and the simpsons). W3stfa11/Talk to me 03:43, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Omar Shamsoon

In The Arabic Versions Of The Simpsons. Homer's Name Is Omar Shamsoon. As Both Bacon And Alcohol Are Forbidden In Islam, Beer Is Replaced With Soda, Hot Dog's Are Replaced With BBQ'd Egyptian Beef Sausages. Also Homer Hanging At The Bar With Alcho's And Lowlife's Have Been Completely Cut Out.(Id Rather Be Hated For Who I Am, Than Loved For Who I Am Not 12:36, 11 February 2007 (UTC))

Spoiler Tags?

I would consider homers full middle name to be a spoiler, and possibly other elements of the article. Should this article be tagged as containing such? --Nog lorp 05:52, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Fictional Catholics

I see a category below "Fictional Catholics"; isn't Homer a "Fictional Protestants" ? --Göran Smith 19:16, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

For the most part, yes, and specifically a Presbolutheran (as stated in the Movementarian episode). But there was also a more recent episode in which Homer and Bart converted to Catholicism. I don't remember if the status quo was restored at the end of that episode. Robert Happelberg 20:22, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
I didn't watch that episode. I think then, we should have both of these categories in the article. --Göran Smith 20:32, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
I just remembered that Liam Neeson played the priest in that episode. A little digging gave me the episode's title: "The Father, the Son, and the Holy Guest Star". Robert Happelberg 22:32, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

In most episodes, permanent changes to character and situation are rare. Since Homer didn't actually convert to Catholicism in the episode (ie no Baptism or RCIA) and since (to my knowledge) he hasn't been depicted attending Catholic services in later shows, I don't think he or Bart should be in this category. --Wgbc2032 23:53, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Philosopher of the Century / Philosophy

Hello, I believed Homer had won the prize 'Philosopher of the Century'. Whether this is true or not doesn't matter, but in this article, nothing is said about Homer's philosophical views. I hope this will change soon, --LAUBO 15:49, 17 March 2007 (UTC),

I think it was "Philosopher of the Year" and it should be mentioned. --Maitch 16:01, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
It was mentioned, but there was no source so I removed it. -- Scorpion 17:03, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
It was "Philosopher of the decade" and here is the source source. --Maitch 18:23, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I just made some (hopefully) improvements to the Biography page, mainly just things to smooth out the flow. Hope you're all OK with that. Rumiton 15:08, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

'Footsoldiers' comic connection?

agent simpsons - aka 'nuke' supposedly killed by daredevil & captain america

- it's interesting looking at comics for truth ;)

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.111.56.41 (talk) 23:09, 29 March 2007 (UTC).

References

I fixed all the refs. All the dates in the refs should be wikilinked so they can appear according to the individual user's preferences like this: April 5, 2007. They are all done now, also if you add refs be respectful of the people who worked on the article before you. I see someone didn't bother to see what format was used in the article and instead just used templates, giving the refs two different styles. I followed the one that was indicated as the preferred one in the hidden text in the references section (you can see it if you click edit on the references section) and formatted all of them that way. In general try to follow the format used in an article when you edit it. Thanks. Quadzilla99 08:38, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Space

How come there's nothing about him being an astronaut?

Because it is a minor detail - ie. trivia. If we included every single thing he has taken part in, the article would be a huge mess and would not be worthy of being on this site. This is not a fansite, it is an encyclopedia.-Localzuk(talk) 14:35, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Where he's from

We have a rather silly discussion about where he is from in the article at the moment. As his place of birth is only mentioned briefly in a couple of episodes, we can't really focus on this. Should this be in the article in as much detail as it is? Or should it be reduced to 'Homer's place of birth varies depending on which episode it is discussed in.'? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Localzuk (talk • contribs) 14:43, 14 April 2007 (UTC).

Super Smash Bros. fighter?

Why is that category there? Homer isn't in any of the Smash Bros games.

Its most likely vandilism, if its still there, I'll remove it. Gran2 18:28, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Jay and image

Why are people reverting the fact that Homer's middle name is Jay? D'oh-in in the Wind confirms it to be Jay. And also the whole point off using the offcial artwork is because it is easily the best image avaliable. Gran2 18:28, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

As both Scorpion and 98E are about to break the 3RR, I suggest you just leave both images on for now. Gran2 21:13, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

This is ridiculous

How come Homer and Bart's articles have to be so much shorter than the other Simpson characters!? Marge, Lisa and even suporting characters like Mr.Burns and Ned Flanders have MUCH longer pages than them, evn though they are the MAIN characters! Homer's article especially needs to be longer. He has the shortest article of all Simpson family member except for Maggie, even though he appears most in the series! both homer and bart once HAD good, informative articles, but around last december someone shortend them to a ridiculous degree. I just tried to restore some of that information but someone erased it. And maybe their former articles (atleast Homers) was a bit TO long. But still, Homer having an article about half the lenght of Lisas is unaceptable!90.224.189.88 21:44, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Length is not necessarily a good thing. Homer and Bart's articles are good. We don't need an obsessive about of crud, describing every single in universe thing in their lives. It needs to be written in an out of universe perspective, with only some in universe stuff. All of the other pages will be done eventually. Articles being "shorter" is not unacceptable. Quantity doesn't mean quality. Gran2 21:50, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
And don't worry, we'll get to shortening the Lisa page eventually. -- Scorpion0422 21:55, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Well, i supose if all the other Simpson characters gets more compact articles like Homer's to, then its OK. But right now, with Marge having mountains of information on her age, hair, polictical veiws ect ect, and Homer having about a third as much information, it just seems really disproportionate...90.224.189.88 22:09, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
I concur with Gran2. Many character articles for popular TV shows are packed with fancruft. The main reason not to go to war on these things is such articles are popular with new editors still gaining skills. But really, the more pointless trivia added, the less readable (and less useful) these articles become, so occasional pruning is necessary.
90.224.189.88, you might wanna take a bang at shortening Marge Simpson, per WP:HTRIVIA, Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction) and maybe WP:EPISODE#Content. I'd recommend registering a userID first so that you are not mistaken for a vandal. / edgarde 22:33, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Age?

I know that this has been gone over many times before, but how can Homer be 35+? If he was 16 or so when Marge became pregnant, and Bart is supposed to be around ten, then shouldn't his age instead be in the range of 26+? YankeeDoodle14 20:40, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

We just go by what the show says... Anything else is conjecture and WP:OR.-Localzuk(talk) 20:42, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Age reference

Reference 21, which states "Mentioned in several DVD commentaries in the seventh and eighth seasons." is quite weak and should be replace with a specific one. I watched the "Mother Simpson" commentary track, but it wasn't mentioned there. --Maitch 10:50, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

No I think it's fine. being to specific is pointless.


borderline alcoholic?

Borderline? Really? I thought he was full blown...

This is Wikipedia, we need reliable references. Only a qualified doctor can properly diagnose alcoholism. :-) Rumiton 08:28, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Homer's Voice

"Homer's voice sounds different on the shorts..." This is interesting. Why is it so? Let's expand/explain. Rumiton 10:05, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Homer's Middle Name

On the May 18, 2007 episode of The Late Show with David Letterman, Homer Simpson read a top 10 list of reasons why he should be the next (U.S.) President. The number 3 reason was "MY MIDDLE NAME ISN'T HUSSEIN...ANYMORE".[2]

(This of course refers to the popular 2008 U.S. Presidential candidate, Barack Obama and his politically unfortunate middle name, Hussein.)

The question is, does this constitute a canonical character fact within the Simpsonverse; to wit, that Homer's middle name used to be Hussein?

And if yes, then should the article should be editted to reflect this newly revealed fact?

72.82.181.60 07:01, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Personally, I don't think it should be considered canonical. My reasons are: it was not in the show itself, and the joke, it seems, was more centered on making fun of Obama's middle name. I believe the skit wasn't to be centered on the show, but more centered on the upcoming elections and all of the happening surrounding it. --WillMak050389 16:04, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree. This remark reveals another Homer talent not otherwhere recognised -- a keen sense of political humor! Rumiton 16:17, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Jerkass Homer?

Couldn't we include more information about how Homie's character has changed over time, for example the "Jerkass Homer" phase which Homer and Ned's Hail Mary Pass says occurred throughout seasons 9-12?Yipely 05:31, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Day of the Locusts?

Is there any relationship between this Homer and the Homer Simpson of Day of the Locusts? Obviously, West wasn't inspired by the comic, but was the comic inspired by West? The article on Day of the Locusts (book) seems to think so. Tommy.rousse 03:39, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

D'oh

I think we should merge D'oh into this article because for one, the subject is based around him anyway, and for two. The article lacks quality, and of course referencing. The sunder king 13:16, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Merge. An edited version of the D'oh article would add quality to this article since it's a good example of the cultural significance of this character. It doesn't seem sufficient to stand on its own. / edg ☺ ★ 05:25, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Don't merge for a couple reasons: (1) This article "D'oh" is very long and probably should be its own article; and (2) "Homer Simpson" is currently a FAC and the "D'oh" article is in a shambles, which would seriously jeopardize the FA promotion of "Homer Simpson."—Preceding unsigned comment added by Esprit15d (talk • contribs) 12:44, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
    • The entire article length of D'oh would not be shoehorned into Homer Simpson. The point is to discard what can't be included in a quality article. / edg ☺ ★ 19:23, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Don't Merge If this word has entered the lexicon to the point that it is in the Oxford English Dictionary it definitely needs an article all on its own. This is a word that exists outside of Homer Simpson. It's used worldwide, in newspapers and magazines and books. It has become an idea, something all on it's own. The word d'ohh may have been popularized by Homer Simpson, but it exists outside of him now. When Matt Groening is dead and buried and The Simpsons is nothing but a memory, the word d'ohh will still exist. He may have been the character that popularized the phrase, but there is no way he can contain it's influence. DO NOT MERGE!!—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.223.169.107 (talk) 22:58, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
    • No, having an entry in the Oxford English Dictionary does not by itself (as you say, "definitely") merit an article on Wikipedia. Caps and exclamation points notwithstanding, Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Wiktionary is the place for this. / edg ☺ ★ 23:51, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Look up d'oh in
Wiktionary, the free dictionary.
  • Don't Merge Merge While I do agree that having an entry does not mean that it means it's a keeper however it seems to have enough real-world information here. (Though I do agree quite a lot about the usage in the cartoon itself; this page may need trimming.)
    • Or am I misunderstanding that we're not merging the entire article into Homer Simpson? If it's just going to get trimmed and kept like I said, then I'm all for it. -WarthogDemon 23:24, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
It is just a trimming merge. The sunder king 12:42, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Trimming sounds good to me. I'm in support. -WarthogDemon 04:51, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Don't merge. The word has taken on a life of its own beyond Homer Simpson. There has been significant news coverage of its inclusion in the OED which makes it notable in its own right. Dbromage [Talk] 00:06, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
The news media coverage exists due to The Simpsons interest, not from general interest in neologism. As stated earlier, WP:DICDEF. edg ☺ ★ 00:43, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

The French paper

Who cares? --203.117.92.2 07:09, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Lists of best so and so

The Cultural influence section begins with a list of various magazines that list Homer as xth best something-or-other. I'm removing these because:

  1. These recognitions do not meaningfully demonstrate cultural influence.
  2. These recognitions just aren't that significant. Dozens (if not hundreds) of such lists can be found in various online and print publications.

These lists are mostly filler articles, and cannot be relied upon to provide authoritative opinions. There may be exceptions, but TV Guide is probably not one of them. Anyway, presented in this article, all they say is Homer is great, and here's the proof — it's not meaningful content for this article. / edg ☺ ★ 17:50, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I disagree, they show the characters popularity. And the Winnipeg thing is something that should be in the article. The 4 Simpsons episode FAs , as well as the main Simpsons article include various best of lists. -- Scorpion0422 17:53, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
I did not delete the Winnipeg thing. Check the history on that.[3] I moved it down in sequence because the book seemed more credible to lead the section.
As for the FA articles, this does not refute what I said above. My apologies to whomever added this info, but the Bravo Top Anything list from 1991 is entirely trivia, and doesn't belong in this article. The Cultural Influence section is much better without depending on such lists. / edg ☺ ★ 18:04, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Which list is that Bravo one? And there isn't much of a section as it is, and it needs expanding. -- Scorpion0422 18:07, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Appending trivial filler material is not expanding. And it's not a strategy to get this article its FA status, or make the article more interesting. / edg ☺ ★ 18:11, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
I really consider the section more readable and less junk-filled like this. I realize some editors want the Top X awards included to document the character's "popularity" (WP:OR, since these lists aren't clear indicators of such), but I don't think a strong case can be made to favor the current version. / edg ☺ ★ 18:18, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
I think the various lists count as Reliable sources and should be included. If it was some Top 10 list made by a blogger, then sure, but I think the lists are big enough. -- Scorpion0422 18:32, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
I think I've given reasons why they are not and should not. What does "big enough" mean? / edg ☺ ★ 18:34, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
If this were an article about a real life person, then 'top X' awards would most definitely be included - as they are an important cultural reference to that person, and an indication as to the notability and popularity of that person. For example, there are many articles, such as Angelina Jolie which have entire sections dedicated to the media presence of that person. Removing them from this article is a bad idea.-Localzuk(talk) 15:50, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


Other links

Please, can I put this link? [[4]. It´s Homer simpson´s Web —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.251.12.72 (talk) 20:09, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

New category

How about "Characters introduced in 1987"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.17.62.211 (talk) 22:38, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: lack of compunction towards mis
treatment of bart

I am responding to this portion of the article: "...is easily enraged by Bart and strangles him frequently. He shows no compunction about this, and does not attempt to hide his actions from people outside the family.." I don't really disagree with this part of the article but merely wish to point out in certain situations Homer may actually care about how his "corporal punishment" is seen by others. One example is in Episode 22, Season 9: Trash of the Titans (taken from SNPP capsule):

Act two. Homer drives his car through the city, while Bart addresses the passerby through a speaker on the roof of the car.

Bart: [over PA] Hey, everybody, vote for my Dad, Homer Simpson. If you don't, he'll beat us.
Homer: [over PA] Why you little... er... no one's gonna beat you, son.
[quieter, but still over PA] You're gonna get such a beating!
-- Where did it go wrong? "Trash of the Titans"

It would seem that Homer superficially cares because he doesn't want to hinder his chances of getting elected into office. This seems to acknowledge Homer has some conception that strangling your son might not be looked favorably on by fellow towns-people. It also shows that in the end his stupidity gets the best of him because he unwittingly whispers into the bullhorn/PA "You're gonna get such a beating!" Make of this what you will : ) 69.143.243.174 07:09, 19 September 2007 (UTC)