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[edit] Gukumatz, the feathered serpent

• I find that there are far too many comparisons of the K'iche' Gukumatz, Yucatec-Maya god Kulkukan and the Aztec god Quetzalcoatl. True, while each of them is similar and are descended from the same source over the course of so many thousand years, these are three completely dieties. Also- this entire page's resources come from a single source, a website (Here it is by the way) word for word! The sources cited, such as Tedlock, I've already read...and nowhere do I find this information. This page needs some serious editing, and I think we should create a separate page for the Feathered serpent diety as there are more than one Mesoamerican gods to bear that name/visage.~B.Endev

[edit] Kukulkan link

When clicked on, it comes back to the same Gukumatz page. --207.253.53.117 02:56, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

There has been little information as to the traditions of the Yucatec-Maya and their worship of their version of the feathered serpent deity, Kukulkan...could someone look into this? ~Aw.1

I totally agree, there seems to be an incorrect assumption that Kukulcan (Kukul Khan) is the same as Quetzcoatl the rainbow feathered serpent, but in Thor Heyerdahls research Quetzcoatl came from the over the ocean to the EAST, whereas Kukul Khan came by boat from the WEST. I also contest the true meaning of Kukulcan (however you spell it) In East Asian language (where Mayan genes come from) Kukul means chook and Khan means King. Is Kukul Khan the bringer of agriculture and the domestication of chickens? quite possibly so.

On an even harder to accept note, but with genetic revelations staring us in the face, the enigmatic Caucasian Haplotype X of America is not from Western Europe, nor from Siberia, but from Iran!

In light of this hard genetic information, I would like to suggest that Gukumatz is actually Gilgamesh a famous King of Babylon. Linguistically they certainly have the same ring to them.

Then there is of course the European God of War called Woden found also in America known as Votan. Once again another example of trans- Atlantic cultural sharing either from a period of globalization during the Bronze age, or relics from the even more ancient period when the Proto Egyptians originated from an Island/islands from across the Atlantic (as their history states). The American suffix TLAN for LAND also has a similar ring to the Middleastern word for land - STAN. When will people wake up to this incredibly interesting story of cultural sharing during periods of globalization, followed by periods of creative cultural reinvention during long periods of isolation?

Peter Marsh

Please, this is not the place for idle (and in this case, rather silly) speculation and original research. Write what you like at your own website, but there's no point in doing so here. --cjllw ʘ TALK 03:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)