Talk:Greater Montreal Area

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[edit] Split discussion

If split, the title of both articles should be in English, not French. This is the English Wikipedia. -- Beland 22:22, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

• Against: Most articles on large cities have one article on the Metropolitan area of a city. I think Greater Montreal is the term most often used when discussing the Greater Montreal region. Even in the CMM literature, the area governed by the CMM is referred to as Greater Montreal; the CMM refers to the governing body, not the area. --Soulscanner 04:14, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

• Against. As said above, Metropolitan areas all tend to be on one page. I also agree that the heading should be in English, as this is an English wiki. However, mention has to be made of the name en français, as that is how it is most commonly used there. --RobNS 19:15, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Typically an article on the metropolitan community would talk about politics and government, while one on the CMA would talk about statistics and so on. Rather different subjects. I can't really imagine a detailed discussion of the powers of the metropolitan community, its relations with constituent municipalities, etc., going on in an article called, vaguely, "Greater Montreal Area". Joeldl (talk) 11:06, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose. First, I agree with the comments that metropolitan areas tend to be on one page -- see National Capital Region (Canada) for example, which covers both the officially designated NCR and the Ottawa-Gatineau CMA. This article consists today mostly of lists -- it could stand to be improved, and there is more than enough opportunity to discuss both stats and politics/government. Second, in respect of the "title of both articles should be in English, not French - this is the English Wikipedia" argument, I strongly disagree. In the English Wikipedia, we do not automatically use the English version of a name for the title -- we use the name most commonly used in English, regardless of the language. The article itself asserts that English term "Montreal Metropolitan Community" is rarely used, so the "Communauté métropolitaine de Montréal" is the preferred title if there is an actual article split. Please see Wikipedia:Canadian Wikipedians' notice board/Style guide#French names for more details. Skeezix1000 (talk) 19:44, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I think that if the Montreal Metropolitan Community were just a territory, perhaps the two notions would be close enough to be on the same page. But it is also a political body. For example, New York City Council has an article separate from New York City, despite the fact that the territory of the council is exactly the city. If the objection is that there currently isn't enough information on the CMM to deserve a separate page, I might be persuaded to agree with that. But if more information on the politics and government of the CMM is introduced (such as appointment procedures, powers, institutional history, etc.), wouldn't you agree that in future that should be treated in its own article, like New York City Council? There's just something wrong about discussing a body created by government legislation (the Act respecting the Communauté métropolitaine de Montréal [1]) in an article called Greater Montreal Area.Joeldl (talk) 03:56, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Absolutely. We are far from that now, however. But any discussion here is without prejudice to anyone who wanted to significantly expand the article and then propose a split. BTW, it's not that I don't think there is much to say about the CMM -- it's just that I don't think there is much to say about the CMA. Skeezix1000 (talk) 20:17, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose split. A paragraph about the difference between the two notions would suffice. A demographics section could use data from the CMA, while everything else would refer to CMM. --Qyd (talk) 20:45, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
• Comment The political designation deserves its own article to describe the governance functions which CMM undertakes. These are notable and distinct from the demographics, economy, etc. of the metropolitan area. Franamax (talk) 06:04, 5 February 2008 (UTC)