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Contents 1 ship's armament 2 Wreck of the ship found 3 Sonar images of the wreckage 4 Meaning of HSK 5 Incorrect Plaque on Lifeboat? 6 ROV photos of Kormoran 7 The Probable scene of Engagement is not the scene of Engagement. 8 WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008

[edit] ship's armament

The article says the Kormoran mounted 37 mm anti-tank guns. A naval ship would have no use for an anti-tank weapon, and both the Hipper class cruisers and the Scharnhorst class Battlecruisers mounted 37 mm anti-aircraft guns. This seems to be an erroneous statement. 72.149.161.130 (talk) 16:41, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

The Hilfskreuzer were of low priority for the Kriegsmarine, and Detmers was told that no 37 mm Flak guns would be available for his ship. Due to some private connections to the Heer, he was able to obtain a pair of 37 mm Pak 36 guns which were mounted to both sides of the bridge. All Flak guns on Kormoran were of 20 mm calibre. Reibeisen 22:16, 10 April 2008

[edit] Wreck of the ship found

Added a link to the 16/3/8 news.com.au article on the discovery of the wreck —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blacklord (talk • contribs) 01:55, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sonar images of the wreckage

The sonar images from the Finding Sydney Foundation "press room" CAN be used reproduced under the terms of the Foundation's legal information. Images of the Kormoran are here. 203.7.140.3 (talk) 03:01, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you read, but the following comes from their website:

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Socrates2008 (Talk) 03:16, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Keep reading further down the same page.

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203.7.140.3 (talk) 04:52, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Meaning of HSK

This page gives the definition of HSK as Handelsstörkreuzer, or "commerce disruption cruiser", but Detmers himself states (on page 12 of the Kimber edition of The Raider Kormoran) that it stands for Handelsschutzkreuzer, "merchant navy protection cruiser".

Do we have a source for the currently provided definition?
Jb17kx (talk) 02:57, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

^^I put the disruption bit in. All German Kriegsmarine sites (after a quick google check) give the Handelsstörkreuzer meaning to the HSK acronym. It seems that this is a wartime term, whereas pre-war the KM thought they´d need cheap protection for the German merchant navy (like the Brits did). The German wikipedia lists all KM commerce raiders as Handelsstörkreuzer, click though this list :http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Schiffe_der_Kriegsmarine#Hilfskreuzer Sorry, no better sources but I thought it´d suffice - greetings, CH. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.153.71.209 (talk) 21:46, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't notice this question until just now. Conway's All The World's Fighting Ships, 1922-1946, defines HSK as Handelsstörkreuzer or "commerce disruption cruiser" on p. 246. Conway's is by no means absolute, but there is a source for the currently provided definition. TomTheHand (talk) 22:28, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

The German medal citation for Detmers mentions Hilfskrauzer (Auxiliary cruiser). Socrates2008 (Talk) 11:35, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Incorrect Plaque on Lifeboat?

The caption under the image Kormoran lifeboat, Carnavon states that the plaque says, incorrectly, that 52 Germans survived in that lifeboat. Can it be verified that this is indeed incorrect?

SaintJimmy505 (talk) 19:25, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] ROV photos of Kormoran

Finding Sydney Foundation has released photos of the Kormoran wreckage.[1] These photos can be uploaded to Wikipedia (not Wikicommons) if a reasonable case for fair use is made and subject to the terms on the Finding Sydney Foundation press page. See for example Image:HMAS Sydney wreck, 64.jpg. 203.7.140.3 (talk) 06:16, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Probable scene of Engagement is not the scene of Engagement.

Given as Reference 9 the probable scene of engagement turned out to be rocks so this needs to be corrected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.194.44.18 (talk) 16:43, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008

Article reassessed and graded as start class. --dashiellx (talk) 11:14, 6 May 2008 (UTC)