User talk:Socrates2008

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[edit] SS Gothenburg

The text you rewrote is in the report that is referenced. I'm sure that such text needs to be preserved in full, in the original language and (mis)spellings as necessary. See this example (outside Wikipedia) of such keeping of original spellings etc. Mjroots (talk) 13:14, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it may be referenced, but that only shows verifiability of the facts. If it's not quoted, it needs to follow modern style and grammar. So just quote it if that's what you are after and it will be fine. Socrates2008 (Talk) 13:19, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Nice work on reincorporating the lists. Gnan garra 11:33, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] CfD nomination of Category:Ships of the Union Castle Line

No arguments - please go ahead. Socrates2008 (Talk) 20:56, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Email

Could you either activate your Wiki-email option, or send me a message? JFW | T@lk 09:40, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Please feel free to discuss anything regarding Wikipedia updates on this page or the talk page of the relevant article. Thanks Socrates2008 (Talk) 10:02, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Fine then. I was hoping to have a slightly more constructive discussion about the gluten sensitivity-related articles. JFW | T@lk 12:44, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

This is very unusual - why do you feel that you can't have a (constructive) discussion about Wikipedia without email? Anyway, I'm open to any discussion about these articles... Socrates2008 (Talk) 21:12, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GC-45

The discussion on the GC-45 howitzer talk page appears to be based on someone who is not terrible familiar with modern artillery, and the "debate", such as it was, appears to have ended. I would like to remove the accuracy tag. If you have any specific points you have problems with please tag them with cite-neededs. Maury (talk) 20:07, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm not going to contest any specific point, other than to say that the article is still seriously lacking sources, and therefore largely unverifiable. Adding more sources is going to be the best way to address any remaining accuracy issues. Socrates2008 (Talk) 08:24, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Key strengthening

You slapped on a "update needed" tag here: Key strengthening#Strength and time. So, do you mind explaining on the talk page of that article why you think that section needs updating and in what way?

--David Göthberg (talk) 11:39, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

2006 is 2 years ago - computing processing power has increased since then. Socrates2008 (Talk) 11:41, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Comparison of disk encryption software

Do you have a URL for Lenovo disk encryption? I've never heard of it before, and their WWW site doesn't list it as one of their products! Nuwewsco (talk) 18:50, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] SS Yongala

Hey there, I found an article about SS Yongala, which I have started doing some additional work on. Thought you may be interested in helping. It needs a fair amount of work such coordinates, info box, editing, typos etc. Anyway, if you are interested, I look forward to your imput. CheersSpy007au (talk) 00:46, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Sure, I'll take a look when I get a chance. BTW, I was in the museum in Morpeth last weekend (this was the old port for Newcastle). Loads of info on shipwrecks along that coast, especially the Maitland, however nothing on the Gothenburg Socrates2008 (Talk) 00:54, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] SS English Trader

Hello Socrates2008

The article on the ship SS English Trader that you have tagged with a Reference tag is in my view unnecessary. My reasoning for this is that all fact that are mentioned in this text can be referenced paragraph by paragraph if necessary using the publications listed below. This would make the article look very unsightly with all the in-text citations. Maybe the odd one would be appropriate such as dates or names. Stavros1 (talk) 20:02, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I have to disagree. The sources are unclear at present, and it's also not possible to determine which parts of the text are potentially unreferenced. Socrates2008 (Talk) 20:48, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Algerine class minesweeper

I had the same thought, about it being mostly a list...however when I went looking at the Military History assessment scale, they say that lists are evaluated the same as articles...so I went ahead and gave it a yes based on that. Whatcha think? Thanks for checking up on me tho, I am quite nervous that I'm doing the right thing on these! I did give a no to the Algerian Air Force article that was nothing more than a list of the airplanes they own and nothing about battles or training or heck, even something about their uniforms would be better than just a list of aircraft :) LegoTech·(t)·(c) 20:56, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

I'd prefer to see an article, maybe with an embedded list. Apart from the infoxbox, haven't had the chance to get round to it yet though, unfortunately. Socrates2008 (Talk) 20:58, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Spelling on SS Mareeba

Thanks for fixing it, I've always been a shocking speller... Fosnez (talk) 13:11, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

No worries. Try installing Google Toolbar - it will highlight spelling mistakes as you type. Socrates2008 (Talk) 10:58, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RMS Niagara

Hey Socrates2008 - Can you please have a look at RMS Niagara article? I put in the coords of the wreck, but its been 6 months now and it still has not shown up in Google Earth!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigal.nz (talk • contribs) 20:35, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Looks fine - Wikipedia data isn't loaded into Google very often - might be worth contacting the folks working on the project to transfer the data to see when they'll be doing it again. Socrates2008 (Talk) 03:25, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Windows Messenger and SIP support

One of your careless edits to "List of SIP software" removed Windows Messenger which supports SIP. Probably, you confused it with Windows Live Messenger or MSN Messenger which do not support SIP at all. I cant pinpoint right now but I've noticed several such careless edits of yours to Microsoft-related articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.128.147.176 (talk) 11:25, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

You use the word "carelessly" rather carelessly. You'll find that I cite my updates more than most other editors, and that I certainly don't remove adequately cited information. So suggest you take your battle up with the editor that didn't provide a reference for that info. Also, kindly assume good faith next time, before making vague, unsubstantiated accusations about "carelessness". Socrates2008 (Talk) 11:42, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I'll assume good faith. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.128.147.172 (talk) 10:41, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Citation for slipstreaming

Can you provide a citation for "slipstreaming has been around NT 3.5"? Please add it to the article. Also, that article is more for functionality which is lost because of removal of features. In some cases, some features have been removed but replaced by more or equally complete equivalents. e.g.Credential Providers are much more full-featured in functionality than GINA, they don't leave out any functionality AFAIK, thus being a true superset of GINA. Same thing applies to the boot loader. So if I were you, I wouldn't have added those. :)

Regarding that slipstreaming ability, I think it was introduced in the package installer at the time of Windows 2000.

And I'm assuming good faith. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.128.181.113 (talk) 12:22, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Have been looking unsuccessfully for the citation - looks like I'm wrong about the slipstreaming, so will revert it. The GINA change breaks numerous applications that integrated with it, such as authentication VPN solutions, fingerprint logon apps and other applications that used these API's so it's an important change as there's no backward compatibility. Socrates2008 (Talk) 12:46, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WSH version

According to this page, WSH first shipped in-box with Windows 98. Accordingly, I've corrected the VBScript article. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.128.181.6 (talk) 09:31, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks - I've updated some of the references in that article to improve it a little. Socrates2008 (Talk) 10:08, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		For your excellent work improving and citing the articles relating to the Battle between HMAS Sydney and German auxiliary cruiser KormoranNick Dowling (talk) 09:28, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Socrates2008 (Talk) 10:20, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sydney GAN

I have replied on the Talk:HMAS Sydney (1934) page about your issues. Regards and well done again on a very good article. Woody (talk) 13:28, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again for doing the review and edits at the end. Socrates2008 (Talk) 13:49, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Macao → Macau

Thanks for your enquiry. There has been long discussions on this, and it has been settled that Macau will be named as such except when "Macao" is used as a proper noun, such as Sands Macao. Retaining it as "Macao" may be apt here thou, provided it is clear that that section is a direct quotation from a primary source, which was not explicite in this article in question. Could this be made clearer, after which I will restore the original spelling? Thank you!--Huaiwei (talk) 14:30, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. It was not a direct quote, however the place names were used exactly as stated in the source. Some of the other destinations also have more modern names, so we need consistency. So I guess my question is: Did "Macau" exist circa 1795 - if not, then the ship could not have visited it surely? Socrates2008 (Talk) 14:38, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

I would not say "Bombay" did not exist in that era just because it has since been renamed as "Mumbai", but I would agree that consistency would be the key here. Either all will use names as per the ship's records, or all will use their modern names were applicable. If we are to use the former, can we state somewhere that those place names were direct from the ship records?--Huaiwei (talk) 14:46, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Drive mappings

Windows has always allowed a network UNC to mapped without a local drive letter being assigned. At the console, this is "Net use \\server\share" while in Explorer, you chose "(none)" as the drive letter. The latter has been removed from Vista. Socrates2008 (Talk) 14:15, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm well aware of that functionality, but simply connecting with a UNC path is not called "drive mapping". -/- Warren 14:35, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

So what's it called then? (It uses the "drive mapping" dialog box). Any any event, the point is that this functionality has been removed. Socrates2008 (Talk) 14:38, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Discussion moved to Talk:Features removed from Windows Vista

[edit] East Indiaman

I believe the term "East Indiaman" is also used for ships from other countries or companies than the Honourable East India Company, such as the ships of the Dutch East India Company sailing to the (Dutch) East Indies. See these texts for examples: [1] and [2]. Therefore I believe I correctly tagged the article East Indiaman with {{globalize/UK}}. Best regards, Ilse @ 22:28, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] About HYPER V

hey u know whether using hyper v have any adverse effect on java appications. --Khi279130 (talk) 06:10, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, can't help. Suggest you try one of the Java or HyperV discussion forums on the Internet. Socrates2008 (Talk) 08:41, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Features removed from Vista

Hi! I noticed this addition: "Typing the initial characters of a filename...displaying the results in a new window" in Features removed from Windows Vista. Have you checked out the last option in this screenshot? Or perhaps it only affects List View and for other views, it carries out a search regardless of that setting? :-) - xpclient ^Talk 20:48, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

No, that setting is unrelated - however the setting two down ("When typing into list view") can revert the old behaviour. Socrates2008 (Talk) 00:36, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

By "the last option", I meant "When typing into list view" itself (I didn't take that screenshot :P), not the one that's highlighted in the screenshot (Use check boxes to...) which is unrelated. So, as such, then this is not a removed feature since a clear user preference is provided in Vista. - xpclient ^Talk 03:36, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes it can be reverted if the user knows of the the setting and where to find it, however the default is to search. BTW, this applies to all folder views, not only the detail view. Socrates2008 (Talk) 08:11, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cuba in Angola

hello socrates2008. i expected you to point out my using cuban sources. indeed, i do, but very sparingly and carefully and there is no reason to doubt them as they only give insight to established events. accounts of generals are the least trustworthy of any accounts in any case: what general would ever put his own actions into doubt?

Allow me to chime in on your talk page for a brief comment Socrates. I take it Sundar, you haven't read many war memoirs? Guderian, Grant, Sherman, Von Manstein, Zhukov, Giap and even Ike have all written memoirs where they've criticized their decisions or mistakes (varying levels). Those memoirs are also used as sources for countless histories of the American Civil War, WWII or the Vietnam War. One couldn't imagine writing a history of Operation Barbarossa without an account by Guderian referenced somewhere. Virgil61 (talk) 20:48, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

if you come up with government documents, even south african ones, which say the same, that would be a different matter, even if there still would be reason for some doubt. i did point out that the south africans wanted to protect the dam which aleady indicates that they felt it was threatened. but that mpla, swapo or unita acutally spelt out threats is most unlikely - they certainly had more important things on their mind at that time. mpla was not active in the south and unita was already being supported by south africa. also, you cannot compare the south africans witht the cubans: the cubans were not the fox in the henhouse but the ones who came to get them out. for a similar reason, after some thought, i will remove the word "retaliatory" from the raids on anc-offices. we have to keep things in the right order: the anc was already operating "retaliatory", since they were fighting against apartheid oppression. i'm not sure if it still fits the definition, if action against that again is called "retaliation", bacause any action by the anc afterwards would again be retailiatory. there has to be an end somewhere. you have to keep in mind where everything starts. i hope you see my point. Sundar1 (talk) 10:56, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

May I suggest once more, in the nicest possible way, that you review Wikipedia's policy on neutrality as your desire to include sources only from one perspective is highly POV. Furthermore, trying to remove a citation inserted by someone simply because you disagree with it is not the way Wikipedia works - the rule here is verifiability, and one that note, the source I provided more than meets the criteria. Furthermore, regarding reliability, why is an interview with Castro more reliable than an interview with one of the South African generals? It's not.

"Retalitory" in respect of the attacks on ANC offices stems from the fact that each of these raids was a direct response to a terrorist bomb incident in South Africa, which is what this word is conveying here. Socrates2008 (Talk) 11:43, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] VMware ThinApp

I replied on my talk page. SF007 (talk) 10:13, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I replied again. SF007 (talk) 10:26, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] link in username

Hi, could you tell me how you make the link of your username in talk pages and so on, so it only links to talk pages (the thing most people want)? thanks in advance SF007 (talk) 11:01, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

See How to fix your signature Socrates2008 (Talk) 11:24, 11 June 2008 (UTC)