Talk:George Grey

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[edit] Spelling revision of a written quote

The spelling are of the word "Maori" as directly from the "The Penguin History of New Zealand". I have inserted [sic] next to each spelling that are disputed by User:Evil Monkey, I am not sure if this is a good idea, but I am reluctant to actually change this historians Michael King written words. NevilleDNZ 04:16, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure "disputed" is the correct word. Basically all that happened was I went through and changed all the instances of Maori to Māori, not seeing that some are in a quote. And I also don't think sic is the best way to deal with it. I've just changed it back and we can let it be. Evil Monkey∴Hello 04:23, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Governor of Cape Colony

This article implies that Grey went on to become Governor of Cape Colony some time in the 1880s after being Gov of NZ. However the article History of Cape Colony from 1806 to 1870 states that Grey became Governor of Cape Colony in 1854 and left in 1861. Which article is correct? (I suspect the latter).--GringoInChile 19:00, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

According to the biography at dnzb [1] he left NZ in late 1853 and returned to NZ in 1861. So the second appears to be correct. Although having said that this article is in need of a lot of work.
World Statesmen Seems fairly reliable. It says Grey was Governor of Cape Colony 5 Dec 1854 - 15 Aug 1861 with Robert Henry Wynyard acting for him between 20 Aug 1859 and 4 Jul 1860. --Scott Davis Talk 09:53, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
The apparent confusion may be coming from the fact that Grey was Governor of New Zealand twice - for two separate periods (1845-1853, 1861-1868) Kahuroa 10:22, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Credo Mutwa on George Grey

Credo Mutwa, Sangome Zanussi of Zulu africans, also historian, claims that George Grey is the founder of apartheid and racial discrimination in Africa in the mid 1800s. He is also said to be a favoured Illuminati contributor, and is directly connected to both the submission of Australian aborigines and African indigenious people. All this can be viewed on [2] wich is an interwiev conducted by famous historian David Icke (very controversial), discusses a lot of what history has been biased by white men of power and great influence. Credo Mutwa talks about him about 3 hours and 35 minutes into the interwiev. George Grey is thus a great example of how historians are biased throughout history, and neglecting to recognize the great pain and terror inflicted to indigenious people in continents such as Africa and Australia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jabulon88 (talk • contribs) 02:18, 15 August 2006.


[edit] Trivia re streets named after Grey

I think we might need to be a bit choosier about what we list as being named after Grey. Street names - hmm, there might be a lot of those!!! - there are probably streets named after Grey in almost every town in NZ for one thing. Maybe we could restrict it to towns and geographic entities - others in NZ are the Grey River in the South Island, and thus (perhaps indirectly) the town of Greymouth at the mouth of the Grey. If there are no objections I may get rid of the street names Kahuroa 10:19, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I think the Fremantle one is important because there is a house in the street where he was rumoured to have lived. The research continuesFancyfootwork 11:03, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

If the Fremantle case is important then, perhaps it might be more interesting included into the text in some way when Grey's time in Fremantle is being discussed - which might inform us more about Grey? What do you think? (I just did a quick search on smaps - there are 54 Grey or Greys St/Ave in New Zealand, each of which may or may not have some connection with Grey himself and each of which may have the right to be included in a list if one really gets going.) Kahuroa 18:54, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Yes should the Fremantle case prove important it could be incorporated in the article elsewhere (perhaps just before a list about plants named after Grey or colours named after Grey) or even in the section about him spending time in a real country Fancyfootwork 22:57, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Haha. Maybe a useful list could be one of the books he wrote... Kahuroa 00:02, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

I think that at some point George Edward Grey should be moved back to George Grey. It's a case of what Wikipedia:Disambiguation calls "primary topic" disambiguation rather than "equal" disambiguation since one of them is considerably more famous than the other. Evidence:

Pm67nz 03:10, 24 Jan 2004 (UTC)

4 years on and the case is even stronger.

  • The original reason: There are many new links to George Grey where this George Grey is intended and only 2 new links for other George Greys (the skier and the captain, I've fixed both).
  • A new reason: This page's new name George Grey (Premier of New Zealand) is less than ideal as:
    • it is rather long.
    • It singles out one of his positions as more significant than the others.
    • It singles out the wrong one: I would pick Governor of NZ if I had to pick.

The move is complicated by the existence of the disambiguation page at George Grey. By my reading of the page moving rules it won't be possible to move this page to George Grey even if that page is first moved to George Grey (disambiguation). Help from an admin will be required.

Pm67nz 09:47, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
This move has now happened. Pm67nz (talk) 01:51, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Maigo

The article refers to Maigo as his aboriginal guide during his second WA expedition yet the source I've got says Kaiber the source is Exploring in Western Australia by Hazel Biggs. Gnangarra 10:37, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Grey's Journals of Two Expeditions of Discovery in North-West and Western Australia use "Kaiber". There is no mention of a "Maigo" anywhere. This will need to be corrected at Aboriginal history of Western Australia too. Hesperian 11:44, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
OK fixed those ones Gnangarra 13:07, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
It has just come to my attention that The Beagle (i.e. Wickham, Stokes, etc) had an aboriginal on board named "Miago". The "Maigo" mentioned in the article is almost certainly a misspelling of this name. Little wonder, then, that a search of Grey's journals turned up nothing. Someone should search Grey's journals again using the correctly spelled name. Hesperian 12:31, 23 January 2008 (UTC)