Talk:Frank Shamrock

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[edit] The "Get his shinebox" line.

This line in the Return To Fighting section looks suspect to me: If Shamrock does not back out again, "The New York Bad Ass" is scheduled to promptly send Shamrock to get his shinebox. TheMattMan 22:08, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Pure trash talk. I'm taking it out. DestradoZero 04:31, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

It's well known to people who have followed pancrase since it's main inception in the early 90's that most of the fights were worked, regardless of Bas Rutten's claims. I do not know if any of Bas's fights were worked, but the majority of the pancrase fights (especially any fight that involved Funaki) were works. Many fighters have come forward today and have touched upon this, particularly members of the so-called Lion's Den.

[edit] Baroni fight

Of course rear naked choke is a submission, but in instances when a fighter does not tap and goes unconscious it is usually ruled a TKO. Specifically, the Baroni vs. Shamrock fight was ruled a TKO due to rear naked choke because Phil did not tap and went unconscious. Thesaddestday 04:59, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

How is that a TKO though? He was unconscious, which if from a strike falls under KO. A TKO in MMA is when a fighter cannot intelligently defend himself or is not fighting back. If, say, the Referee called the fight prior to Phil Baroni being choked unconscious, it would clearly be a TKO, but since he did go unconscious, I think it's deffinitly a KO. Combat52 July 10, 2007