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GET TO FA STATUS

  • check reference quality, replace where unreliable, fill in where references are needed.
  • More information on the games development and soundtrack w/ primary source references.
  • copyedit
  • fair use rationales and sources images 2-11
  • image use, image captions, amano art, FMV?
  • merge some soundtrack info
  • quote from game story script, game manual in gameplay and story sections
  • Maybe another peer review?

Nominate for FAC when ready.
Priority 3  


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[edit] "Final Fantasy (video game)" versus "Final Fantasy I"

Am I missing the discussion on this move? This is the last I can find on the issue, and the consensus there is "Final Fantasy (video game)". Anomie 17:18, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, there doesn't appear to have been any discussion of this before it happened. I've re-moved the page and changed all the new "Final Fantasy I" wikilinks back to "Final Fantasy (video game)". -TPIRFanSteve 03:25, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Outdated info

From the article: "Square Enix plans to release this version of the game for North American mobile phones sometime in 2006." Did this release happen? Maybe someone should update that bit. I'm not familiar with North American cell phone games myself... Davhorn 06:38, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why are we STILL using that outdated translation?

Some of the names don't even make sense. Why are we still referring to things in the plot section with the NES English terms? They tend to be far from the Japanese original... 208.101.136.230 17:59, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

This is the English wikipedia. Japanese one is next door. Kariteh 18:00, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
The article is structured such that it discusses the original English version first, then the differences introduced in the many remakes. And since we do that, that version's names are the obvious ones to use. Anomie 18:33, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] External Link + Glitches

Hello, I would like to suggest we add a link to the RPGClassics shrine for the NES version. Also, there's quite a few glitches in the NES version that may be worth mentioning. Let me know if that sounds good.

Thanks.

Lockshaw13 14:01, 17 July 2007 (UTC)lockshaw13

Linking here to the link you would want to include would be helpful. A list of glitches would be trivia and/or game guide information, so IMO they would be not worth mentioning. Anomie 16:25, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Here's another link that I think should be considered: http://collector.5gigs.com/index.html. It has a ton of info on all the versions of Final Fantasy including the glitches present in the NES version...I can't add a link to the Wiki page from the RPGClassics shrine since I have nothing to do with that site. Lockshaw13 20:04, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I think you misunderstood: what is the link you want to add to this article? You might also want to bring these links up on the WikiProject talk page, especially since I don't believe they meet the WikiProject guidelines. Anomie 15:32, 20 July 2007 (UTC)


Hi all. With regard to glitches, might it be worth at least mentioning them briefly in passing (since there are a rather epic number of them), collectively if not individually, especially to point out that one of the significant (?) improvements in Final Fantasy Origins was fixing the majority of them? Origins refining the actual gameplay by removing quite a few glitches seems like a notable (and not merely trivial) detail, not entirely unlike other mechanical changes referenced in the article. Then again, I'm a bit less familiar with notability, so maybe Anomie's comments above took this angle into account?

Additionally, and this is something that doesn't relate to glitches or external links, and really is somewhat nit-picky, but there is a phrase in the "Playstation" section that reads:

"Saved game data takes up one block on the PlayStation memory card, which means that up to fifteen games can be saved onto each memory card, a major improvement"

When you consider the dynamics of a memory card as opposed to saving on a cartridge, is being able to save 15 games on a memory card really that much of an improvement, let alone a major one? It sounds like a lot of flexibility, but it is difficult to conceive of most players purchasing individual memory cards for each game, and using 15 blocks means that that memory card cannot be used for any other games. While in a strict sense this is still better than the single-save cartridge, I felt this phrase was in some sense misleading when I read it, as though simply having a memory card enabled 15 times the saving capacity without really conveying that to fully exercise this capacity means to dedicate the card to a single game. Maybe it's just me, though. Any other thoughts on this? Ashelia 02:05, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Mentioning that the various glitches were fixed in the section about Origins might not be out of place, especially if you can find a review in a reliable source that mentions that, but listing them all out I still feel is something more suited to Gamefaqs than here.
I don't know (or care) much about the Playstation version, but "a major improvement" should definitely be removed and the rest of the sentence should probably be reworded to emphasize that more than one "save slot" is available without getting into details about memory blocks and such. Anomie 03:28, 20 September 2007 (UTC)


I've adjusted the "major improvement" by removing in favor of a comparative parenthetical that indicates an NES cartridge could only accomodate 1 save file (yeah, I know, it took me half a year to get around to this). Additionally, I noticed in the customization there was a segment that read:

"Each weapon has three statistics: damage, chance to hit bonus, and critical hit chance. Certain weapons are also more effective against monsters of particular types or monsters weak against particular elements. In the original NES version, these properties and the critical hit chance were not used due to bugs, but these were fixed for later revisions. "

The last sentence implies that the critical hit rate bug was fixed in subsequent versions along with elemental/monster type properties when in fact it was not. Additionally, the entire section can be misleading insofar as it could imply that there was no critical hit rate and thus, no critical hits in the game, when in fact the index number was erroneously used. I'll go ahead and make an edit to correct this inaccuracy (though I would love to find a Wikipedia Reliable source for this, I'm not quite sure what would qualify, and this segment is currently unsourced anyway...) [Edit: Oops, forgot to sign this initially...] Ashelia (talk) 06:10, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposed move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move debate was Do not move. Additionally, Final Fantasy (series) was moved to Final Fantasy instead. Anomie 15:01, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

This is the first product to be named Final Fantasy, and the game that started it all. It is highly unlikely anyone will be surprised to find this game at Final Fantasy. Currently Final Fantasy is just a redirect. ~ JohnnyMrNinja 10:35, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Oppose When someone types in "Final Fantasy", do they mean this game or the entire series? I think the current setup is appropriate. Anomie 13:04, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Comment Why is Final Fantasy not located at Final Fantasy to begin with? Judgesurreal777 15:05, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Because at some point there was a discussion and an editor proposed to have both (series) and (video game) articles to avoid ambiguity. Kariteh 15:29, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Here's the recent archived discussion in question. — Blue。 01:46, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Uh, the dab message at the top clears up ambiguity... that's what it's for. The opening line also easily distinguishes the two. --Teggles 04:44, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Strong oppose. It very sensibly goes to the series, and should stay that way. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 23:35, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Oppose: Presently, it easily distinguishes the first game from the series. — Blue。 01:46, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Oppose. If anything, I think that the series should be located at Final Fantasy, not the first installment; this is what most people will be looking for. Also consider that the name "Final Fantasy" refers not just to the games, but to a property which now includes films as well. LordAmeth 14:42, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Oppose: It's irrelevant whether or not this started "it all" (i.e. the Final Fantasy collection of video games). The series is also named Final Fantasy, and is in far more common usage. Right now Final Fantasy redirects to Final Fantasy (series), so I actually propose that Final Fantasy (series) be moved to Final Fantasy - which should link to Final Fantasy (disambiguation) and Final Fantasy (video game) with an italics message. --Teggles 04:38, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Oppose - "First" does not mean "Most Prominent", and disambiguation is needed between series and video game. Raime 13:28, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Oppose I vote for Final Fantasy to be a disambiguation page between the video game, the series, Owen Pallett's band, and Leo Ku's album. Kariteh 14:09, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

[edit] FA push

I was considering an FA push for this article. Here are a couple of things that needs to be happened.

  • check reference quality, replace where unreliable, fill in where references are needed.
  • Add more information on the games development and soundtrack w/ primary source references.
  • copyedit
  • fair use rationales and sources images 2-11
  • image use, image captions, amano art, FMV?
  • merge some soundtrack info
  • quote from game story script, game manual in gameplay and story sections

Think we can do that for FA status? Thanks. Greg Jones II 15:38, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I've been waiting for this! And it comes at the perfect time, just after my previous FA push succeeded. Here's what I can commit to at this time:
  • I've added source information for the two images I added ("self-made" screenshots). I will check the rest for rationales later, and I will list any that I cannot find source information for.
  • I'll try to give the existing sources a once-over later on.
  • I can also supply game quotes from the NES version and its manual, but I'm unsure of which statements need support from in-game quotes. If someone will identify them in some way (not necessarily {{fact}}, you could just drop in a <!-- cite --> comment for me) I will do the sourcing.
Anomie 17:04, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
All images have rationales. The following lack sources:
Anomie 16:24, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Playstation remake inaccuracy?

I don't believe that the Playstation remake had "bookended" CG cut scenes, as the PSP version includes everything from all versions but there was no ending CG rendered cut-scene, only one for the beginning. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.20.142.137 (talk • contribs) 06:54, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

please someone add the 2008 date for the psp release in europe (and for ff2 too) —Preceding unsigned comment added by SquallLeonhart ITA (talk • contribs) 15:41, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Inconsistent number of armor types

Under Customization:

In addition to weapons, there are four types of armor: Armor (Cuirasses, Robes, Bracelets), Helmets, Gauntlets, and Shields.

Under WonderSwan Color:

Further, in the original game, not only did each character have their own armor and weapon inventory, each was fixed to storing only 4 of each category per character. This meant that as opposed to the first game, one could now actually equip all 5 different armor types, as well as collect every single armor and weapon in the game without needing to drop or sell anything.

It's obviously not consistent enough, but I'm not sure what number should actually be said. Thus, I'm leaving it to the experts.

AspiringSquire 00:15, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

I can confirm that in the original NES version there are only the four types described. No idea what that might be saying about the WSC version. Anomie 00:32, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Capitalization of proper nouns in the story

The words of concern are those in bold.

With Sarda's Rod, the Warriors venture deeper into the Earth Cave and destroy the Earth fiend, Lich, who is responsible for the earth's decay. The Light Warriors then [...] defeat the Fire fiend, Kary (Marilith). [...] After proving their courage [...], the King of the dragons, Bahamut, promotes each light-warrior. [...] the Warriors go to the Sunken Shrine to defeat the Water fiend, Kraken. [...] The Lefeinish give the Light Warriors access to the Floating Castle (Sky Castle) that Tiamat, the Wind fiend, has taken over. With the four fiends defeated and the Orbs restored, the Warriors find that their quest is not yet over: [...] the Warriors discover that the four fiends sent Garland (now the archdemon Chaos) back in time and he sent the fiends to the future to do so, creating a time loop by which he could live forever.

Shouldn't every mention of a Fiend, Four Fiends, and Light Warrior be capitalized (and the latter without a dash)? Also, I'm not sure if it is appropriate to capitalize King unless the whole phrase is treated similarly: King of the Dragons (or perhaps king of the dragons). If no one objects, I may just go ahead with these changes.

AspiringSquire 00:15, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Except for "the four Fiends", I don't object. Anomie 00:32, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Okay, that settles everything except for "King of the dragons"; the question is whether the title is a proper noun ("King of the Dragons") or not (all lowercase). AspiringSquire 05:49, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Of the relevant lines of dialog from the NES version, he is referred to twice as "the King of the Dragons" and once as "the Dragon King". So I say "King of the Dragons". Anomie 12:49, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Soul of Chaos

There's this written in one of the images' boxes: "A battle against a Soul of Chaos boss in the GBA version. This one is Shinryuu from Final Fantasy V" - what exactly is a 'Soul of Chaos'? I'm interested in such a concept since Shinryuu was immensely strong and no information on it was given in the game but I never heard of a 'Soul of Chaos'. -- Mentifisto 06:36, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

The section says Main article: Rereleases of Final Fantasy I and II#Game Boy Advance, did you look there? Anomie⚔ 12:44, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Ah yeah, I missed it. Thanks. -- Mentifisto 00:03, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Move Rereleases to new article

There is already an article for Compilations of Final Fantasy I and II. Since the DS remakes of FF III and IV warrant their own articles, there is enough precedent and information in this article to warrant a new article such as "Remakes" or "Rereleases of Final Fantasy I" for the game's FIVE new formats (not even including the original NA localization). --Hydrokinetics12 (talk) 18:00, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Development section

Just noting that [15] has some interesting details about the development of FF1. Kariteh (talk) 17:31, 26 April 2008 (UTC)