Talk:Erich Wolfgang Korngold

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[edit] Biography assessment rating comment

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The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Yamara 23:03, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Critical attention

I'm not sure what this is trying to say:

  • Korngold for years attracted almost no critical attention, and considerable critical disdain.

It seems to me that "considerable critical disdain" means that the attention he got was far from "almost none". It might have been negative attention, but it was attention nevertheless. JackofOz 11:39, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Maybe it should be something like "For many years Korngold attracted little positive critical attention." I know that for a long time he was derided as a "movie-music" composer and it is only in the last couple decades that people have begun to discover the astonishing music he wrote in his youngest years (I'll never forget my own initial encounter with Die tote Stadt -- when previously I mainly knew him as the composer of the music that accompanied Errol Flynn dancing around a sound-stage). Antandrus (talk) 15:14, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
I like that suggestion. I only know the couple of well-known arias from Die tote Stadt, but my favourite of his lesser-known works is the Sinfonietta, Op.5. Astoundingly assured writing for any age, let alone a teenager. But I still admire his stirring film music as well. Film music in general really has been given an undeservedly bad rap. JackofOz 04:06, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
I guess this is just commenting on the conversation here and not the article, but have you (by "you," I mean Antandrus) ever listened to Korngold's film music a little more closely than by just cursorily analyzing it as it passed between your ears as you watched those old Errol Flynn swashbucklers? Have you ever noticed that when you listen to a cue of his divorced from the screen, its form and melodic continuity sound as if they were conceived of for there own sake, but when you listen to that same cue with the scene for which it was written, you suddenly realize that every single point of even the most minor significance in the cue precisely matches up with something of equal significance on the screen? I don't know about you, but I don't know of any other composer who has written for film that could write mickey-mousing music like that that could, at the same time, have such firm integrity on its own. In fact, there is such a dearth of composers who can write convincing mickey-mousing music that the notion of "mickey mousing" has come to be known as something almost inherently derisive to anyone who employs the technique. Batman Jr. 06:10, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox

Comment made to person removing the box:

I am aware of the heated discussion about inforboxes for composers and that many have voiced against, not sure that being a concensus though. Personally I believe that they are very helpful in particular for less known composers as the box may contain all that people may wish to know.

I am not sure whether it is all right to go and remove a box from an article which you have not otherwise contributed to - perhaps you should have raised the question on that article's discussion page.

In any event, as the box contained information not available in the tag line I suggest, politely, at least you go back and ensure that the deleted information be added to the tag line.Classickol 16:57, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

You mean the information surrounding his death? I'm sorry I missed that in the first place. Thanks for pointing this out to me. I've added it back in. By the way, perhaps the article should say where, exactly, he died in the USA? Cheers, Moreschi Talk 17:18, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Korngold is a significant composer and it would be disappointing if people just read the box instead of the article. "Genre: Classical (romantic style)" hardly explains what Korngold was about. It's good that the box has gone. -Kleinzach 17:34, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Left the field for "needs infobox" for the overall Biography project blank. Not my fight. :) - Yamara 23:10, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Korngold.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 22:30, 2 January 2008 (UTC)