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[edit] Image:Alishia.gif

Can you put up a description of the image, something about what is written in the Arabic calligraphy and what the image is meant to depict? --Bluerain talk 16:48, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome

Salam Enzuru! Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. You may benefit from following some of the links below, which will help you get the most out of Wikipedia. If you have any questions you can ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking Image:Wikisigbutton.png or by typing four tildes "~~~~"; this will automatically produce your name and the date. Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field. Don't worry about following lists of links. It's not necessary to read all of them immediately. You can get information whenever you need. Happy editing! Sa.vakilian(t-c)--14:26, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
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In addition I invite you to participate in Wikipedia:WikiProject Islam--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 14:26, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm glad to meet you. You can help us to make more NPOV articles about Islam. I can introduce active Muslim wikipedians to you.--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 19:42, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


[edit] April 2007

Welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for your contributions. An article you recently created, Aql (Shiasm), may not conform to some of Wikipedia's guidelines for new articles, so it will shortly be removed (if it hasn't been already). Please use the sandbox for any tests you may want to do and please read our introduction page to learn more about contributing. Thank you. You may want to cover a wider area of the subject at first, and see if it deserves splitting into subpages only once you have enough material to warrant it. Coren 21:45, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. I see you're hard at work. Never take a speedy delete request personally, it's a new page patroller's way of saying "Hey, this is inadequate". Fleshing out it is one of the best ways of fixing that.  :-) Coren 22:18, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your articles on Ismailism

Thanks for working on our information on Shi'a Islam, particularly Ismailism. I don't know much about the topic, but I am interested and I am happy to see it being worked on more. I have a few suggestions on formatting. Try to add categories, as I readded to Ismailism and added to your reincarnation in Ismailism. Also, you should add more links to other articles in your articles. Most good Wikipedia articles are pretty heavily wikified, and it helps readers to find more information on related topics. Let me know if you need any help or have questions about Wikipedia. Academic Challenger 21:51, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't think you need to add the Islamic sects category to articles that are not actually about Islamic sects. You don't need to add the Islam category to everything either. The reason that the Shi'a Islam and Ismailism categories are there is so that the Islam category doesn't get overfilled. Academic Challenger 22:05, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your explanation of why the Ismailism article is the way it is right now. Your ideas for future improvement make good sense, and I hope you or someone else can make those changes as time allows. Good thinking, and good work! Timotheos 18:22, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Other wikipedians

Salam alaykum. You can speak with User:Striver about Shia-related articles, with Itaqallah about Sunni-related and Islam-related articles and with Aminz about Islam-related articles. You can find in which field other wikipedians are expert in Wikipedia:WikiProject Islam/Expert Wikipedians in Islamic issues--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 02:37, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] vandalism

considering the high level of vandalism on the shia and twelver templates, I think a request for full-protection of the templates is required! Wikipedia:Requests for page protection--Gerash77 04:28, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Please request protection of these templates. --Matt57 (talk•contribs) 16:31, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
It seems that your submission was erased by a bot because you didn't sign your name! --Gerash77 00:12, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Orphaned non-free image (Image:Shiachat3.jpg)

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[edit] Dont delete content or you will be blocked

Do not delete content like you did here. Repeatedly deleting content like this can get you blocked. --Matt57 (talk•contribs) 04:38, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Deleting a relevant picture is deleting content. The picture is of a black dog, as mentioned in the hadith, and is not "silly". --Matt57 (talk•contribs) 04:43, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Enzuru, the gratuitous cute dog pic is a longstanding unresolved issue. As are the pics of geckos and flies. Very silly indeed, but i think making things look silly is the intent of the pics, although their supporters will never tell you that. Merbabu 04:55, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
En, "RV for deleting "black dog is evil" hadith" was for the anon IP not for you. No, these pictures are not silly, Merbabu. Articles are improved by havig pictures, that is it. We're here to improve the website. Please AGF. --Matt57 (talk•contribs) 11:42, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Batiniyya

Salaam Aleikum Enzuru...

Is Batiniyya a term that predominantly applies to Ismailism? Before your recent edits it sounded like it was a general term for religions/sects with esoteric views... if the term applies to all of them equally, I'm wondering if the changes you just made are appropriate. I don't know, and I'm a pretty new editor, so... just asking. – cacahuate talk 01:14, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merging Ismaili and Druze seven pillars

Hi Enzuru. Apparently you're mistaken, as I didn't create any of the articles, not for that matter have I even edited them. :-) Maybe Striver is the one you might be looking for. I honestly can't help much because I'm not very knowledgeable in these matters. Cheers, Anas talk? 11:36, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Virgin Birth

We could change the structure of the template to first have events of Jesus life shared by all and then the particular concepts first of Christianity, then of Islam. Placing VB, as I did, under Christianity is not ideal but it is way better than to place it under Islam. Str1977 (smile back) 20:50, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re:

You're welcome. But you should have kept the Quran in 'books'. If you need any help, let me know. KlakSonnTalk 10:46, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind, I reinserted Qur'an because the Sunni template includes Qur'an in "books" and not including it in the template gives the impression that Shi'as don't have a book. KlakSonnTalk 09:10, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey. Can you get an admin to protect Template:Shi'a Islam? Someone is getting on my nerves and reverting my edits. Thanks. KlakSonnTalk 22:31, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Salam, I saw you've got into trouble in the template. I can ask an admin to semi-protect it for a while. Also I can help you with it as a third opinion. Please put a comment in my talk page if you'd like it.--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 05:25, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Orphaned non-free image (Image:Almahdi.gif)

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[edit] Sulayman bin Hassan

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[edit] Usoolism

What I took out in the Twelver article I moved to the Usooli one, because it only applies to Usoolis. Thanks. --Enzuru 02:30, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi, and sorry, I didn't mean to undo your revision. It was the revision right before yours I was attempting to undo, and you changed the page right before I got the revision before yours undone. Thanks for alerting me of that. jj137Talk 02:37, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mirza.gif

Why are you insisting on putting this picture? The only real pictures of this person in existance are in B&W. Note he died in 1908. The coloured ones are made up, so for the sake of originality and fairness to the person, original black and white image should be used. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Malik07 (talk • contribs) 08:10, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Picture of Hazrat Ahmad

Dear sir, Thanks for the message on my page. Its just a short message for clarification regarding the picture of Hadhrat Ahmad in Ahmadiyya info. box. As a member of the Ahmadiyya muslim community, we feel that any re-touched photographs of the founder of the community should not be used or published for the sake of authenticity. The other smaller Lahore Ahmadiyya movement faction did published the colorized photo, but for the majority of the followers of Hadhrat Ahmad, this is not appropriate. The imposed colour on the photo does not correspond to historic descriptions of the founder of the community. This policy of not altering the relics or photos from that time is to ensure that no additions are made to the items which may influence the impression made by those images/relics. I hope this clarifies the situation. SK —Preceding unsigned comment added by SaifullahKhalid (talk • contribs) 14:40, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Dear brother, thanks for your kind message. As far I am aware, there are 4 or 5 pictures of Promised Messiah available. I think you can find them in the alislam.org galleries. SK —Preceding unsigned comment added by SaifullahKhalid (talk • contribs) 10:16, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your creation of Hindrellez

Hello. I just wanted to let you know that I have modified a page that you have created. The page is Hindrellez. I changed that page to a redirect to Alevi so when people type in "Hindrellez", they will be sent to the Alevi page instead. The reason I did this is because there was no content on Hindrellez other than 1 sentence which said it was a holiday. I then removed the wikilink of the word "Hindrellez" on Template:Alevism because it would just lead to a redirect back to the original page. If you have any further questions, please ask them on my talk page, as I will not monitor your page for replies. Thank You. - Rjd0060 22:24, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps that information can be added to Hindrellez until there is enough information that can be broken off into a stub of Alevi. The page would have been tagged for Speedy Deletion, which is why I acted quickly to do a redirect. - Rjd0060 22:38, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Actually, working in the Shi'ah articles alot, I often create stubs and usually they tend not to be deleted (even after being marked by someone) because of the importance of the matter. You can see this alot in Ismaili and Alevi templates. All that is usually done is a little mark is added that says it is a stub relating to Islam, such as in the Aql (Shiasm) article. --Enzuru 22:42, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
There was no stub added to that article. Feel free to revert my edits if you would like, and see if anybody else tags it. This time be sure to add {{stub}} to the bottom of the page. - 22:45, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
No problem. Adding {{stub}} really does make a difference.- Rjd0060 22:48, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Sunni Islam

Man, I checked out those templates and they are some major pieces of work there. You've given me a lot to think about...my mind isn't totally swayed yet, but I tell you, if you're willing to help with the reformatting of the Sunni template like you did with those it might be. Good job, i'm going to go check out the template's talk page for now. MezzoMezzo 02:50, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ahmadiyya Fiqh

Dear Brother, AoA, Ahmadiyya fiqh is indeed based on the Hanafi principles. Although there is much more room provided for Ijtehad in interpreting the Shariah. The Ijtehad is based on principles elaborated by Hz. Ahmad and his successors. You can see the copies of the Fiqh books here...http://www.alislam.org/urdu/fiqah/ SK —Preceding unsigned comment added by SaifullahKhalid (talk • contribs) 12:29, 3 October 2007 (UTC)


Ahmadiyya fiqah accepts the many logical components of other jurists apart from Imam Abu Hanifa. But we consider Imam Abu Hanifa to be the most valid and reasonable among the four. As for Shia Imams, we do consider them to be learned men of the highest order who followed their noble ancestors with great care. Although we have fundamental difference of opinion with Shia view of Imamat, but we view historical events around the original disputes as unfortunate man made errors and not deliberate attempts to sieze power from any party. wassalam. SK —Preceding unsigned comment added by SaifullahKhalid (talk • contribs) 10:07, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shia template

Salam. I think I will be a good tewmplate if you remove Theology of Twelvers . Please pay attention to Fatima article. We need your help.--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 15:18, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fatimah

The article structure as it currently stands conforms to the basic WP:Biography format. It could certainly do with some expansion. We're currently trying to get the article to GA status and if you have suggestions for improvements, feel free to discuss them in the talk page. Thanks. → AA (talk) — 21:31, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: comments

I'll see if I can get on the talk page tomorrow. Where do you train out of? I might know of them, depending on where you live. MezzoMezzo 04:41, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Azadari

Hi, Please write your idea about Merging Mätam, Azadari of Muharram and Majlis-e-Aza to Commemoration of Husayn ibn Ali(here) and Imambargah to Hussainia (here). Thanks--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 03:12, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Can you please merge the articles. My English is not so good to do it.--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 16:21, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ahmadiyya Template

Thank you for your message. I have posted my comments on the relevant discussion page. Best regards, Nazli 03:14, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Enzuru: Thanks for the message. Point taken; though I cannot totally agree with you about aesthetics over knowledge! Please see the discussion page for my suggestions. Regards, Sufaid 09:08, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for informing me of the discussion. My comments are on the talk page. Best, Nazli 05:00, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Is Ali article good?

Salam alaykum.

A lot of effort has done on this article and I want to nominate it as good article after adding some other sources. Please check it and tell me your idea. Thanks--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 18:28, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Please write it in Talk:Ali.--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 06:14, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] You?

Selam,

i would ask if you really are of pasthun ancestry?

You wrote that you are kemalist? Do you live in Turkey?

If you are Alevi, from which tribe ar you?

Send me a mail: westberlin85 AT gmail.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.127.93.56 (talk) 22:36, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query On 26 October 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Mourning of Muharram, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Carabinieri 13:36, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alevism

I have to ask why you put Ataturk on the Alevi template. I have specifically checked if it was you, but you did design parts of it and you are a kemalist, the evidence points to you. I recommend you remove it, being that the man wasn't even a muslim. Not to mention he is hated in many parts of the islamic world for good reason (hijabs in Turkey, look it up). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ishvara7 (talk • contribs) 05:12, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Ahmad.png

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As noted above, your fair use rationale does not fall within policy. The license itself reads "...to provide critical commentary on the film, event, etc. in question or of the poster itself, not solely for illustration". You are using it soley for illustration. It's not necessary and is against Wikipedia policy. See WP:NFCC#8 and WP:NFCC#9. Lara❤Love 03:02, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Oops! Right after I undo everything. Give me a while to perhaps find a better license. In the meantime I'll undo my undo-ances. --Enzuru 03:05, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
So that your time spent is not in vein, realize that NFCC#9 does not allow for the use of non-free images in templates. So you'll need to obtain a freely licensed version. Lara❤Love 03:11, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Also, I looked over the rest of the image page and noted that the link provided as the source does not include that particular image. If it's somewhere within that website, the exact link needs to be provided. Lara❤Love 03:14, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Okay, thanks. I don't think I can combat it then, but I'll see what is possible. And yes, the image seems not to be available at that link anymore. --Enzuru 18:27, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism of Islam

Thanks for the information of Mustafa Kemal. I will drop any critcism of your template. I was also kind of wondering if you would help me with the criticism of Islam section under Islam. For some reason Christianity doesn't have a criticism section, yet the main article is equally as long as Islam's. It's only fair someone add a critcism section to all religions or none of them. User: Ishvara7

VikiProje Türkiye'ye davet / Invitation to join WikiProject Turkey

Turkey Portal
Merhaba, sizin VikiProje Türkiye'ye katılabileceğinizi düşündük. Ayrıca yalnız başınıza ya da diğer kullanıcılarla birlikte Türkiye ile ilgili maddeleri düzenleyip geliştirebilirsiniz. Eğer projemize katılmak istiyorsanız lütfen katılımcılar sayfasını ziyaret edin ve adınızı yazın ya da projenin tartışma sayfasına tıklayın. Eğer herhangi bir sorunuz varsa benimle ya da bir başka VikiProje Türkiye üyesi ile bağlantı kurabilirsiniz.
Current events/Turkey Portal

Hi, I was thinking that maybe you would like to join the WikiProject Turkey. There you can also find and contact users who are trying to improve Turkey-related articles. If you would like to get involved, just visit the participants page and/or inquire at the project's talk page. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me or other member of the WikiProject Turkey.

Baristarim 07:09, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of Twelver's Imams

Salam

Please help me with List of Twelver's Imams. I want to nominate it as a Featured lists on the basis of the WP:WIAFL. Please write your review o the talk page. I would be grateful if you cleaned up the list.--Seyyed(t-c) 16:36, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Do you agree with nominationg it now.--Seyyed(t-c) 15:42, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Twelvers

Salam. I think we should seperate the third one and call them Jafari's sects. All of them fallows Jafari jurisprudence . The other ones differ fundamentally. And I guess Yazdanism is an offshoot sect. I guess in Iran people know them as Satanism. Do you have any good reference which show they are Twelvers. What's your idea about 12 Qutb Sufism. As I know there were too many of them in Iran before Safavi dynasty. --Seyyed(t-c) 15:10, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

There were several Sufi orders which considered 12 Imam as 12 Qutb. They agree with the 3 first caliphs but also believe in Ali as Wali. As I know Jami and Shah Nimatullah belonged to them. --Seyyed(t-c) 15:25, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
There is a good magazine in Iran and I hope you can read it.[1] Also you can read this History of Iran#Shiaism in Iran before Safawids. You can read Nasr's work.--Seyyed(t-c) 15:37, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Modertn Irfan in shia

Can we call some Shia clerics like Allame Qazi, Allame Tehrani and some others who believe in Irfan and follow Jafari jurisprudence, Sufi. Can we put them in Template:Sufism. I want to make a separate part in this template and call it Irfan of Shia.--Seyyed(t-c) 15:48, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

If you let e I add your comment in the talk page of relevant articles.--Seyyed(t-c) 16:05, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism of Islam-response

I have looked over criticism of christianity articles. I would have to say Christianity still deserves a criticism section. Not only does it have a main aticle, but it has a criticism article for nearly all of its sects. There is just too much criticism written on Christianity for it to merely be placed in the "See Also" section. Ishvara7 022:49, 17 Nov 2007 (UTC)

[edit] History of Islamic philosophy

Salam, I find an online version of the part one of History of Islamic philosophy. I believe we can use it to improve articles about Shia, Twelvers and Ismaili faiths. In fact I understand the meaning of "Imam of time" when I read this book.--Seyyed(t-c) 03:52, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Imam Ali

Salam, Can you please write your idea here.--Seyyed(t-c) 03:39, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Similar Userbox

Salam Aleik!

It seems as if we made almost the same userbox Enzuru...

This User Supports the Secular Identity of Turkey.
This user is a Kemalist and supports secularism.




My userbox was made in September 9th 2007, while your userbox was made in October 1st 2007 and so my question is: Were u inspired by my userbox to create yours?
I have no doubt that yours is certainly very beautiful (although not as beautiful as mine) but since it is very much the same i'd like to ask u to give me some credit for the idea behind your Userbox and show it on your userpage. - Oren neu dag (talk) 01:04, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Irani Userbox

I have also a Shah Supporting userbox if u want to use it

This user believes that there is only one legitimate regime in Iran.




feel free to use it. Oren neu dag (talk) 03:55, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dude, don't be lame

What ever happened to fixing Sunni Islam? MezzoMezzo (talk) 05:02, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Alevi.jpg

Merhaba, Türkçe biliyor musunuz?

The image you created is really nice. Thanks for the good work. But I think that you should add the crescent to whole image: http://www.al-islam.org/gallery/photos/ali2.gif. Your work looks.. a bit "cut". :) Can you do that? Kaygtr (talk) 14:19, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rewriting Husayn ibn Ali

Salam alaykum This article was too weak and violated copyright as well as WP rules. Therefor I rewrote it. I hope you can help me with it.--Seyyed(t-c) 17:20, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ijtihad

Can you help me with Sources_of_sharia#Aql_and_Ijtihad. I'm not exactly sure how to go about writing this.Bless sins (talk) 18:16, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

The major concern is lack of sources. It is also that I don't understand the concept very well...so I may write something wrong. Finally, the article will benefit from diverse writing styles.Bless sins (talk) 05:37, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] FAL:Twelve Imams

Salam Alaykum

I've nominated Twelve Imams as a featured list (here). Please pay attention to it. Thanks. --Seyyed(t-c) 04:05, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Nice to meet you again. I put my answer there.--Seyyed(t-c) 07:11, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
I put image of Imam Ali shrine until we reach consensus. Please check Imam Ali. I've nominated it as a good article. In addition I have question. Can you please send me a email.--Seyyed(t-c) 09:04, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Templates

I see you're making the "Shia" and the "Twelver" templates hideous and keeping the Ismaili one intact. What sick reason is behind this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.216.114.80 (talk) 20:36, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but they look much better now than the Ismaili article. I have reverted your changes, if you have a strong issue, please take it up on the talk page and we can take a vote. They templates are unique in their look. Are you familiar at all with artistic design, in both colours and patterns? And for your kind information, I am an Usuli Twelver under taqleed of Sayed Khamenei, though long ago I had a something falsely saying I was Ismaili, perhaps that caused the confusion. --Enzuru 02:32, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Also, templates are not just about looks. I had to reorganize important information between the two templates in particular. Some things could be somewhat applied in general for Shi'ahs, hence needed to be taken out. I also added lots of more Twelver specific information. --Enzuru 03:55, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Review:Imam Ali

Salam, Somebody began to review the article. Please check and help s with it. God bless you.--Seyyed(t-c) 10:42, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Templates

Please stop editing the Shia and Twelevrs templates. They look extremely hideous. How would you like it if I did the same with the Ismaili template and replaced the calligraphy image with that of the spoiled Karim Agha Khan? Stop it. It's irritating. FiveRupees (talk) 11:22, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

As for what you wrote above, lying about being a Twelver is disgusting and saying it while hiding behind a computer screen doesn't make you more respectful. Almost all of your earlier edits show that you are an Ismaili. And someone who says he's a follower of Khamenei wouldn't say he's a Kemalist and a supporter of secularism. I don't you what you and your people's policy about lying is in the outside world, but please refrain from doing so in Wikipedia. We're trying to spread knowledge, not vandalize pages about rival sects. FiveRupees (talk) 11:34, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

You shouldn't have taken it too far by insulting me. I suggest you revert your own edits to the templates and wait until consensus is reached. Also, I am not Punjabi or South Asian. Are there many Twelver Pashtuns? Just as many as flying pigs. FiveRupees (talk) 22:14, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Please don't bother replying. I shouldn't be wasting my time with pathetic people who spend their lifetime editing this biased "encyclopedia". FiveRupees (talk) 22:24, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nusairi

Salam Alaykum. Can you please tell us your view about this issue. Thanks.--Seyyed(t-c) 03:04, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Shia lead

Salam Alaykum, Please add your viewpoint about the lead of Shia Islam here.--Seyyed(t-c) 03:05, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:ImamAli.jpg

Image Copyright problem

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I think the image violates wikipedia's copyright policy.--Seyyed(t-c) 05:55, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template

There is no need to monopolize the Shi'a Islam template and assume its ownership, and show complete disregard for the many Shi'ites who do not want the picture of Ali to be displayed and who believe that Ali or his picture do not symbolize Shi'a Islam. Better to leave the template as I last edited it and avoid hurting the feelings of many people by reinstating it. FiveRupees (talk) 18:51, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wafi Ahmad

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[edit] Regarding Fiverupees.

Thank you for your compliment on the matter, if there is any way I can help out please don't hesitate to ask. May you go in God's care. Peter Deer (talk) 05:44, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] The copyright situation of 12 Imams pictures

Salam, Excuse me. I recently read your comment about 12 Imams images. I couldn't find anything about their copyright situation. I checked this site and think their copyright situation are unknown.--Seyyed(t-c) 06:17, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I prefer to use calligraphy instead of those factious portrait. --Seyyed(t-c) 08:22, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
Yes the template is very nice, but using the factious picture is problematic. --Seyyed(t-c) 04:28, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Salaam

I would like to thank you. It means a lot to me that you care about my opinion on the matter, and even more that you consider me impartial. I worry, however, that it is not entirely so, because as a Baha'i I do ascribe to the Shia mode of thought and believe that Ali was Muhammad's legitimate successor. Still, I shall do my best to set my personal beliefs in the matter aside and focus on the encyclopedic nature of the template. Peter Deer (talk) 01:10, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

I have been of the opinion that the Azali movement will see somewhat of a rise in later years because of the Bab's fairly clear appointment of Subh-i-Azal as leader of the Babi movement until the arrival of Him Whom God will make Manifest, and also because of persons who are predisposed against following the mainstream of any movement.
From my investigation I find his later claims to be preposterous and his actions to have been nigh-unspeakably treacherous, but I can see the reasoning by which people might assume his authority. Quite frankly, he seems historically to parallel Abu Bakr in many regards, with the exception that he wasn't successful and that he later claimed a loftier station.
Suffice it to say, I became a Baha'i for a reason. Peter Deer (talk) 04:08, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Insofar as translations goes, it is quite true much of the writings of the Babi dispensation differ greatly from the writings of Baha'u'llah, but it bears noting that the Baha'i dispensation abrogated the vast majority of those laws (specific ones are generally referred to in the Kitab-i-Aqdas) and even the Bab Himself considered His dispensation and His laws to be beneath those of Baha'u'llah.

"For all that hath been exalted in the Bayan is but as a ring upon My hand, and I Myself am, verily, but a ring upon the hand of Him Whom God shall make manifest -- glorified be His mention!" (The Bab, Selections from the Writings of the Bab, p. 168)

I think generally the majority of concerns regarding the Baha'i Administration come from people who are upset that the Universal House of Justice does not abrogate laws laid down by Baha'u'llah, Abdu'l-Baha, or Shoghi Effendi, specifically the laws outlining that the members of the House be men and that homosexual relationships are forbidden, not taking into account that the House does not have the authority to abrogate the Law of Baha'u'llah. I'm sure there are others who have other objections and concerns, but those are the more controversial ones.
Another reason why many things have not been translated is the translation of Baha'i scripture is a very careful and meticulous process. By my understanding, it is seen to be preferable not to present the religious texts than to misrepresent them and pervert their true meanings. As Shoghi Effendi was the authorized interpreter of Baha'i scripture, his translations are used as models for future translations, both in their interpretations and in their presentation.
The Bab's work is being translated, but slowly, partially because of the meticulous translation process, and partially because of the meticulous authentication process. Much of the work of the Bab was dictated rather than written in His hand, so much work has to be done to make sure that the source is authentic, as Covenant-Breakers and hostile Muslim authorities have made attempts to pass off things as being written by the Bab before. Most of the authenticated and translated works have been compiled into Selections from the Writings of the Bab.
In conclusion, I have confidence in the good faith of the institutions who are translating the holy scripture. The primary objective so far seems to have been the complete, faithful, and accurate translation of the works of Baha'u'llah and Abdu'l-Baha, as they pertain directly to the laws and ordinances of the Baha'i dispensation. The Persian believers, however, do have the benefit of access to the Bab's writings in their original form and, largely because of the persecution of Baha'is in Iran, are now spreading and disseminating throughout the western world and bringing those teachings and modes of thought with them. And no, I do not mind talking about it outside of an article, in fact I enjoy talking with Muslims in particular because they are often more familiar with certain concepts pertinent to the Baha'i faith than I am (ask most Americans what Mahdi means, or who Husayn Ibn Ali is, or what the Qiblih/Qibla is, and they'll just stare at you) and frankly it's a privilege to speak with a Shia Muslim as, sadly, almost all of the few western Muslims are Sunnis. So I welcome your questions and even your opinions and commentary, as I am also personally interested in what the sane Muslims who aren't trying to kill us think of us. Peter Deer (talk) 21:32, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

I am interested in how you think that the persecution of Baha'is has been exaggerated. And do not worry about offending me, you are speaking honestly of your perceptions and I would be disobedient to God if I judged you for that.
I see you have been reading the Kitab-i-Iqan. Truly a marvelous book. I think you would also find "Some Answered Questions" to be of interest, particularly Abdu'l-Baha's explanation of the eleventh chapter of the Book of Revelation and how it pertains to the Umayyad dynasty.
Now as you are probably aware, we consider the occultation to have been a pious fraud for the noble intent of preserving the unity of the religion, but that the Bab was, in fact, the hidden Imam Al-Mahdi. I suppose that's the main difference between the Twelver point of view and the Baha'i standpoint.
(Also, do forgive me if I do not use appellatives, such as SAWS, PBUH, AS, and so forth. I mean it not as a sign of disrespect to God or His loved ones, or to persons who choose to use the terms)
But I am indeed quite interested in your opinions regarding the Baha'is. You seem to have read the Iqan (or part of it at least) and you seem to be firm enough in your faith that you are willing to subject it to tests, and you have been courteous and respectful of my faith despite not believing. I am quite interested in your impressions and frankly your questions and concerns regarding Baha'u'llah's claims, if you don't mind sharing. I certainly am no hafez, and I do not have the works of Baha'u'llah memorized either, but I will do the best I can and look up things where necessarily. Peter Deer (talk) 00:12, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Your numbers are accurate. 206 Baha'is, to be precise, including Baha'is who died in prison. their names and the dates, locations, and causes of death can be found here; you will notice that the majority of them were executed. Certainly the death tolls under the Islamic Republic cannot be compared to the tens of thousands of Babis and Baha'is massacred during the Qajar and Pahlavi dynasties. And you are absolutely correct that the numbers of political prisoners killed in Iran are greater numerically (not counting of course the Baha'is who have been executed on charges of being 'zionist spies')
But a few things that should be considered instead of the death toll. The small number of Baha'is in Iran are (in far greater percentages than any other religious group) being arrested, tortured, killed, deprived of education, their homes burned, their jobs taken away, baha'i children abused by teachers, expelled from schools, and/or slandered in front of their classmates. Baha'i holy places are destroyed, Baha'i cemetaries bulldozed so that families will not even know the resting place of their loved ones. Because Baha'i marriages are not recognized Baha'i men are arrested as lechers and Baha'i women as prostitutes.
These things are temporary and shall pass away. I am certain that just as the persecutions of Christ and Muhammad and Moses that these persecutions shall strengthen and exalt the faith and that those martyred in the name of the faith shall be rewarded by God.
But what truly is an abomination is that these atrocities are committed in the name of Islam! Baha'is are called 'apostates' though if asked any Baha'i will willingly testify "There is no god but God and Muhammad is His Messenger" and while on one hand calling Baha'is a perverse heretical sect they are on the other hand called a zionist political movement, not a religion, thus circumventing the law of the Quran in Sura 2:256.
I am an American, and here in America there is a great deal of hatred towards Islam, from Christians, atheists, and racists (who think all Muslims are Arabs). When I argue to them that Islam is a religion of peace, a beautiful divine religion, they point out to me the violent actions of some so-called Muslims, usually referring to terrorism, as their argument. They remain completely ignorant of the violence committed towards Baha'is, however.
I have in, two separate conversations, been called a zionist pagan by a Muslim for teaching the Baha'i faith and in the same day been told to "go back to your mulla paymasters in tehran" when I was defending Islam in an argument against what I suspect to have been a Zoroastrian. Not too long ago I was accused of being a Muslim and when I denied it I was met with the reply "I think you're a Muslim, you defend them way to much, you even defend the evil acts their pedophile profit committed. Islam is a religion of hate not peace."1 Muslims call me an infidel, infidels call me a Muslim.
On the corpses of Baha'is who have been murdered it is often written "enemy of Islam." I find the irony of it so confounding and maddening that I can scarcely find words for it.
But I'm sorry, I've gone off on a bit of a tangent there.
You ask about common ground upon which we can debate. I figure I should let you set the terms for the most part. Tell me, how and why did you come to follow Islam?
I am afraid if you want to talk Hadith I only currently have Hadith Qudsi and volumes 1-9 of Bukhari at my disposal. Quite frankly most of my knowledge of Islam comes from the Quran, I'm not really very studied in Hadith. I was raised agnostic, became atheist out of hatred for religion and zealots, and then ironically the Baha'i faith won me over to all the religions I had despised before out of ignorance and prejudice. I was so skeptical of religion but the evidences provided (usually compiled very nicely by a Mr. William Sears, one of the foremost Baha'i theologians and authors) was too convincing for me to reasonably ignore (I honestly tried.)
So I suppose I'm lucky, because if it weren't for that I would have been deprived of the teachings of God and would have continued on being a nihilist hedonist atheist.
But I suppose you have your own story, if you're willing to share with me. Peter Deer (talk) 03:53, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism of Salafism

Hey salaam man, I saw your edit on the Salafism article. The criticism was well sourced, but the thing was none of the articles were criticizing Salafism; in fact, only one of the articles seemed to mention it and it was passing. I think the sources might be quite relevant, though, on the Wahhabism article or perhaps the First Saudi State, as they all seemed more specifically to be criticizing those than Salafism. MezzoMezzo (talk) 06:48, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template:User Twelver

Salaam, I actually changed all the pictures of the Shia Templates. The picture of the sword is not appropriate for there and it shows violence in Islam which Shias are not violent.َAnd Also, the picture has the name of 12th Imam in the middle and should be used for Twelvers. َ-- BigDevil Talk 20:30, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Still waiting for the answer!-- BigDevil Talk 00:05, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
It's been on your own talk page silly! --Enzuru 02:23, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
I understand your concern, thanks for addressing what you felt was right. However, the Zulfiqar is still a n important symbol of Shi'a Islam, and I don't think we need to censor that. You will see many Shi'a youth with it around their necks (including myself). We can strive for diversity however, both templates are fine. --Enzuru 21:26, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
I do not see you in the history of my talk page. Anyway, not so important. I know that Zulfiqar is one of the important symbols of Shi'a Islam, but the image that I use is the image that fits the best for the Twelvers. In the middle of the image, you'll see the name of 12th Imam (Muhammad al-Mahdi), which is one of the believes of Twelvers.-- BigDevil Talk 19:05, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ahl al-Bayt

I have been working on fixing the broken POV quagmire that is the Ahl al-Bayt article. I wanted the help of reliable and dedicated people from both Sunni and Shia backgrounds to help work on this. If you would be up for it I would be much indebted to you. Peter Deer (talk) 08:37, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

There is nothing to forgive, my friend. Take as long as you need, Wikipedia will be here when you get back :) Peter Deer (talk) 19:57, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Speedy deletion of The Brain Technologies

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[edit] Re:Template:Twelvers2

Salam Alaykum,

Thanks a lot. You've made great effort, but I think it may confuse the reader. You see, A lot of information packed beside each other. --Seyyed(t-c) 01:15, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Review:Muhammad

This article is nominated as a good one. Can you check it please.--Seyyed(t-c) 01:20, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Twelver template

Hello Enzuru! In regards to the template, I have a few suggestions. and comments

  • It could be a lot smaller. As in, less wide, and also with fewer links. I think that second part applies to both versions though.
  • I think it's redundant to include the sufi schools right next to the sufis the schools are named for, one or the other seems sufficient. Perhaps a link to Sufi schools within the Twelvers? (I don't even know if that exists but hey if it doesn't we should get on that anyway.)
  • I liked the aesthetics of the first template a lot, but I think its structure could do with some changes as well. I also think you had the right idea replacing the Arabic terms with the English equivalents.

I am interested in knowing what you are going for so far as improvements over the first template. If I get an idea of what you have in mind I think I'd know more how to help. Peter Deer (talk) 06:12, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

To be honest, I think the Judaism template could be improved as well, in a lot of the same ways. Peter Deer (talk) 04:52, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
I like it! It looks good, I particularly like the inclusion of the images (well, image) within the collapsible panels. Peter Deer (talk) 04:32, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Replied. I would convert that image to an SVG myself, but the program I used to be able to do it with was downloaded illegally, and when I started adopting that pesky "stealing is wrong" mentality I couldn't keep it in good conscience anymore. Peter Deer (talk) 19:37, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
I've heard good things about GIMP, but back when I first heard about it was when I just pirated stuff so I didn't see the point. I'll give it a shot, thanks. Peter Deer (talk) 21:26, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProjectIslam Collaboration

Salam bro,

Don't you want to participate in Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Islam#Collaboration. Please participate in collaborative improvement of Sources of Islamic law, which is nominated as GA.--Seyyed(t-c) 09:55, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures

I really appreciate how have been creating templates on Twelvers, but I the depictions you added of the Imams take so much of their value, especially when the depictions are bad ones. Hopefully, Enzuru, you will view how this is offensive to many, mostly because the depictions are bad and the Imams all look like each other, but also because depictions, though permissible, are not representative of the Imams and make them look less infallible. FiveRupees (talk) 14:03, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I still don't know about the pictures. Maybe we should ask the other editors what they think. Again, I really appreciate how you're working on the templates, but I think they looked much better before your last edits before they were collapsable, especially Template:Shia Islam which is now too big and overwhelming. I don't want to undermine your effort, please consider reverting them back to the last version. FiveRupees (talk) 19:07, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Working Together

Merhaba, I was wondering if you were interested in working with me to translate works on Template:Alevism and Template:Shia Islam into Turkish? The templates as well. I think it would be a wonderful project. I really want to translate Twelve Imams into Turkish. Thank you.

  • With Selam, i am interested in Template:Alevism and Template:Shia and Twelve Imams. I will translate those. I use fake IP, because of banning youtube etc. so i cannot enter wikipedia easily, i must change my ıp when i want to enter. If u have msn messenger, add me. this is my msn address "benmeddah@hotmail.com". please erase my e-mail adress after read. thanks.

--Ongan (talk) 12:16, 9 June 2008 (UTC)