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[edit] Emperor's birthdate

The 'older canon' referenced here is the book "Realms of Chaos: The Lost and the Damned". I don't have my copy of this anymore, but if someone does, could they include the information on the ancient psychics who suicided and were reincarnated as the Emperor and also the Sensei (his children. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.164.167.116 (talk • contribs) .

  • Thanks – I've added that as a reference to the article. Cheers --Pak21 10:16, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
  • "Horus Rising", a much more recent work (2006) than LatD, has a line referring to the emperor speaking of is childhood in Anatolia- no date, but at least the Anatolia location is confirmed in a contemporary source. maybe we can change the section to reflect this. RFT
    • Done – thanks for the pointer. Cheers --Pak21 08:36, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Did the Emperor 'speak' to Alicia Dominica?

I remember reading in the Witch Hunters codex that after Thor overthrew the tyrant leader of the Ecclesiarchy in the 35th millenium, that Alicia Dominica who was the leader of the Daughters of the Emperor (forebears of the Adepta Soriatas or however it's spelt) was taken by the Custodes to 'see' the Emperor.

"The custodes took them before the Emperor, though what occured is unknown." Codex Witch Hunters, Page 4.

Anyone shed a bit more light on this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.92.168.165 (talk) 15:17, August 22, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] page merge

This article and User talk:Pak21/Emperor of Mankind (Warhammer 40,000) have been merged to preserve the edit attributions following a copy-and-paste move. Cheers, BanyanTree 00:15, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Other war

I heard that there was a war were the Emperor had to fight human-made machines. Is this true. Wasnt Emperor created through a bunch of shamans focusing their energies? -- Psi edit 21:09, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

The "Iron Men" were fought during the Great Crusade 70.36.241.144 01:39, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

So yes? -- Psi edit 01:43, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I belive it was mentioned in the 3rd edition rulebook. 70.36.241.144 02:23, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

--Hands of God 19:03, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Birth

I was under the impression that 40K was in a parralel universe, with an Earth that is very much different to our own. Would that not mean that the emperor would not of been born BC (Before Christ), but something like BH (Before Horus)? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by WASTREL (talk • contribs) .

Do you have a source for that? My belief is that it was the future incarnation of our Earth. Cheers --Pak21 09:55, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
I agree it is in the future. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.162.76.82 (talk • contribs) .
It's in our timeline. The implication is that the Emperor was Christ, actually - he's supposed to have masqueraded as important religious, political, or military figures are various times to guide humanity, and since he was the only psyker around with the power to do what Christ did... that, and you can find a lot of Jesus parallels in his story anyway. The Son of Man come to save humanity and all that, plus the HHCCG art makes him look a lot like some of those medieval pictures of Christ/angels.
  • Be careful what you say, besides, I don't think there is enough evidence to fully support your theory on the Emperor being Christ. Good theory though.
  • This article looks like it may need some cleanup and replaced with NPOV'ing.

Colonel Marksman 18:46, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Games Workshop never said if W40K was in our time line or in another. It was us the fans that ended up coming to a widely accepted theroy that because of the resemblances of The Emperor to many of our historical figures that it was in our time line. Any ways the Emperor resembles go closer with the primarchs being his angels. Or possibly Jesus and the primarchs the Apostles. I don't know because those are my own thoughts on the matter. --Hands of God 19:03, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

If he was Christ, wouldn't the world be long destroyed/remade for eternal peace? beides, he's more of an antichristian figure, demanding that he be worshipped and killing those who don't a "heretics"

I actually have heard that the Emperor detested the Inquisition and Religious zeal they spread to make people worship him. And killing him people as "heretics" and ascending to godhood was something that given to Horus as a vision as he (Horus) was being corrupted. -- Psi edit 03:39, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, the Horus Heresy books state the Emperor was an atheist who detested religion as he believed it promoted ignorance. He didn't want to be worshipped and denied that he was a god, only a powerful psyker who could prevent his own ageing. He even made 'The Imperial Truth', that stated there were no gods or the supernatural, and the beings and gods of Chaos were just extra dimensional aliens. The reason why he's a god in the 41st millenium is that people made him into one after the Horus Heresy as something to hold onto in an increasingly hostile universe. So he didn't demand 'that he be worshipped and killing those who don't as "heretics"'. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.92.168.165 (talk)

[edit] How about a picture?

Why don't we have a picture for this article? 70.95.140.31 05:06, 14 March 2006 (UTC)Sigmar

Because I don't know of a good free image of the Emperor :-) Cheers --Pak21 09:20, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Because the large part is that there are almost no pictures of him.--Hands of God 19:04, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

  • There are tons of pictures of The Emperor in the Horus Heresy Collected Images book, but I'm sure that they would be under copyright. Redilarus (talk) 23:43, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

there CAN'T be a free pic of the Emperor since all the legal stuff, but IMO such a usage would be a fair use 61.154.0.68 14:32, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

"There can't be a free pic" That's true, and I'm sure they're all under sorts of protection, but I think if someone could convince games workshop to let wikimedia use one of the greatest: It's in the 3rd edition rulebook I have at my house, nice and large, maybe 4X6 inches, it's of the emperor sitting on the throne with all of the life support coming out of him. I think that'd be perfect if we could just get GW to allow it's use. Does anyone want to email them? --71.206.3.78 (talk) 15:09, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

isnt there that poster image that was free in a white drawf or something of him fighting horus? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.84.81.124 (talk) 13:47, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah there is. I cropped it to show only the Emperor but the whole pic can be found at http://dawnofwar.filefront.com/potd/84239 Image:E:\Screenshots\Dawn of War Screenshots\The Emperor.jpg

Isn't it can be use with fair use? --Beyond silence 20:25, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] death of horus

i thought that the emperor destroyed horus with a psychic blast? and that the interruption of the terminators was canon, and it was their destruction which finally let the emperor see that his son was lost to him and give him the force of mind to destroy horus? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lowris (talk • contribs) .

I was just very worried by text of the tone "One theory claims that". If there's a reference for this, let's get that and add it back. Cheers --Pak21 10:18, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

aye, thats fair enough, the space marines codex suggests it was a psyhcic blast? but i cant remember for the life of me where i read the rest... if anyone knows it would greatly put my mind to rest? lol Lowris 13:56, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Go and read the Horus Heresy books. The reason that the Emperor was able to kill Horus was because of the Terminator that walked in at the wrong time. Whom Horus flayed alive, thus the Emperor came to his senses and destoryed Horus with a psychic blast channeled through a rift in his armour cause by Sanguinus. The armour he was wearing was supposed to protect him from psychic attacks so the rift was the key. Also go to the Black Library Forums and ask around they will tell you as well that this is almost 100% how it happened. --Hands of God 18:56, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Sensei, children of the Emperor`s soul

Hi there, i`m interested in one element of the emperor's life that was originally referenced in the old hardback realms of chaos rulebooks, that of his psychic children, termed the "Sensei". As yet i have found few references to them and they seem all but forgotten. As far as i am aware, the story was that, when the soul of the emperor floated in the warp after his temporary death, parts broke off and were reincarnated into the souls of humans, who, later on, became wandering heroes. However, due to them being a part of himself, these persons were invisible to the emperor and were thus assumed heretics. As far as i know, the idea was not quite abandoned, as there was a later reference to a shadowy group that intended to collect these individuals and to sacrifice them in front of the golden throne, thus ressurecting the emperor. Sadly, i`m unsure where that reference is to be found. I`d like this idea to be made note of somewhere, perhaps here, as the sensei remained one of the few good, hopeful elements of the 40k universe and they have such potential.

  • Addition - I missed the above references to the sensei in this discussion section and see that you have already been made aware of them, apologies for that. So, my edit is, as such, a general highlighting of the issue for those visiting, in the hope that they might have access to the original cannon and can thus provide the needed references in detail. It's a strange thing that they dropped the sensei as an idea, since they originally came with a whole rules section devoted to them, including guidance on how they formed "Warbands" much like a chaos champion. If GW wished i am sure they could make a decent mini codex for them and they would sell a fair few more models that way. Really, they should have added them to the witch hunter codex...a missed opportunity.
Hi, all the references you make to the sensei seem to come from the triology of novels known as the inquisition wars, the eldar harlequins gather the immortal sensei nights and hope that when the emperor dies their sacirifce will open the numen which is a path of "good" which should destroy chaos but also everything else, most references to the sensei come from these novels but they are no longer considered canon (also in my opinion they arnt very well written and dont have a finite conclusion so u feel like uve wasted a week of ur life reading them - jus my experience though lol) Lowris 22:43, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
It should probably be noted that the 3rd Edition 40k rulebook included a little story in the back talking about the Inquisition hunting down and destroying the Sensei... apparently that's GW's way of saying "we're abandoning that story arc" (cf. Squats, who were similarly wiped out by Tyranids). I've never heard of the "Inquisition Wars" novels, but I know the old Sensei stories were in the Rogue Trader-era rulebook for Chaos/Grey Knights (although there weren't any rules for them, just a load of background info). Cheers --DarthBinky 04:26, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
FWIW, the Inquisition War trilogy is Ian Watson's Inquisitor (aka Draco), Chaos Child and Harlequin. Cheers --Pak21 08:28, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Junk?

From the article: "The Emperor himself generates this signal, also known as the Ray of Hope or the Golden Path, or bakeing powder but much of the power behind it is supplied by a "chorus" of ten thousand human psykers."

I'm guessing that 'bakeing' (sic) bit is garbage. MKV 03:48, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah... I thought I reverted that, but I guess I forgot to when I went and warned the author. ;) --Falcorian (talk) 04:05, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Golden Throne

"Although initially designed as the hub of the Emperor's project to colonise the webway"

Any reference for where that is from? If true, it would be worth fleshing out a bit. Is that the Eldar Webway? Aristoi 20:56, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

It's in the Horus Heresy Artbook Volume 4. I've referenced it in this article. IIRC he found an entrance to the Webway within the depths of the mountains where his lab was (or he built the labs where the entrance was). He returned to Earth to work on exploring the webway so that humans could travel the stars without using the warp and exposing themselves to Chaos. However, when Magnus sent his psychic message back to the Emperor to warn of Horus's treachery he damaged all the wards protecting the fragile entrance behind the throne. This allowed warp-spawned creatures to get into the tunnels and the Custodian Guard were sent to fight these during the siege. Wiki-Ed 17:29, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
That's very interesting! Guess I'll need to get the Artbook. Thanks for the info. Aristoi 20:52, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Yeah I thought so too. I only read it the other day. I'll be interested to see how/if it is integrated into the novelisations. Until it is... I'm a bit reluctant to view it as canon as there seem to be a few small inconsistencies. Wiki-Ed 09:47, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
According to what I've read from Games Workshop, they consider it all cannon. They look at it like what could have happened, was rumored, etc. Not that it really helps us figure out what is actually the truth. I'm still trying to wrap my head around whether Horus was really there when the baby Primarchs were scattered, and if so, why didn't the Emperor recognize him years later. Aristoi 15:15, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Where exactly does it talk about the emperors origins? Was it in the forth edition rules?

Most of it comes from the 1990 book Realm of Chaos - The Lost and the Damned. —The preceding --Pariah Press 03:27, 4 March 2007 (UTC)unsigned comment was added by Pariah Press (talk • contribs) 03:25, 4 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] 8th Millennium BC?

Is anyone sure thats right, is it AD or BC? Goldfishsoldier 22:42, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't think there's a question of AD/BC. The Emperor has been around long before most well known politicial figures. It's definitely BC. -- Psi edit 22:47, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, it's BC. --Falcorian (talk) 01:43, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

actualy i the book flight of the eisenstien it says that the ship the isenstien was named after a great scientist of ancient earth

The Eisenstein is named after a scientist and a remembrancer. 79.72.65.86 05:49, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Church of the Savior Emperor

There is a chronological gap in the article content between the end of Horus Heresy and the present status of WH40k universe. I think that a paragraph or two explaining the beginnings of the Imperial religion would be in order. --The Fifth Horseman 10:12, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Updating

A lot of this needs updating.

So much information in here is from rogue trader...It needs being made more apparent which bits of information are current 40k canon and which is old. I'd do it myself but I'm no expert. --Josquius (talk) 20:47, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

The information given in older materials is canon until superceded by something newer. Insofar as stuff like the Emperor's origins are concerned, there is *nothing else*. Thus, what we have is the canon. (62.136.201.251 (talk) 02:06, 7 March 2008 (UTC))

[edit] Early History

Why are there all these "citation needed" tags in this section? All of this information is from "Realm of Chaos: The Lost and the Damned," pages 174-191. It seems odd that this very book is cited as a reference for the Anatolia bit, but the bits about the Shaman, their suicide and the birth of the "New Man" (really, that title should be added in reference to the Shamans' reincarnation as the Emperor), and his influence on the human race all beg for citation.

66.157.227.210 (talk) 06:54, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Eh? What?

Where is the reference to this:

"During this time, he also met the future Cabal spy and psyker, John Grammaticus, who was then a member of the Emperor's army."

Is it canon or just vandalism? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.33.10.244 (talk) 15:59, 26 May 2008 (UTC)