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Contents 1 Welcome To Wikipedia 2 Martin Luther 3 Northern Ontario 4 Wikipedia:WikiProject Ice Hockey 5 Hockey minor leagues 6 Jonathan Cheechoo, Jason Krog, et al. 7 ABA 8 Sports userboxes 9 Reminder on Hockey Infoboxes 10 Thunder Bay, Ontario 11 Welcome to VandalProof! 12 Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey/Player pages format 13 NHL player nationalities: categories 14 Calgary 15 Saginaw Spirit player stats 16 My additions to the category "English Canadians" 17 Category order 18 List of family relations in the National Hockey League 19 Mike Danton & Category:Ontario sportspeople 20 "People from" 21 Bitfrost 22 Template 23 SEL 24 Avalanche Roster 25 Simple Question 26 James Kelly Montreal Maroons 27 CFD 28 {{Tampa Bay Lightning 2004 Stanley Cup Team}} 29 Edit summaries 30 Carolina Hurricanes 2006 Stanley Cup Team 31 Stanley Cup AfDs 32 HÃ¥kan Andersson reply 33 Deleting of pro clubs in infoboxes 34 Non-Notable people engraved on the Stanley Cup 35 People engraved on the Stanley Cup 36 So we disagree on some things, but ... 37 Joffre Desilets 38 Disambiguation for hockey player pages 39 The Wikipedia:WikiProject Ice Hockey/Player pages format page 40 {{db-author}} 41 Marguerite Norris 42 talk: 2007 Stanley Cup Finals 43 Randy Carlyle 44 (dab) 45 Creating a page and becoming an editor 46 Stanley Cup 47 Wade Redden 48 Why do you keep reverting my edits? 49 Anaheim Ducks 50 Stat table 51 Calgary Flames 52 UNSC, moves, etc. 53 Removal of prod from Maxim Mayorov 54 American/Canadian spellings 55 WikiProject Ice Hockey August 2007 Newsletter 56 Diacritics 57 Hello WikiProject Ice Hockey/Participant 58 Manchester United F.C. seasons 59 Northern League 60 Ottawa Senators Roster template 61 What's your deal?? 62 Calgary Wikipedia meetup

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Martin Luther

Hello, I don't agree with your decision to make the Martin Luther article a disambiguation page; you probably should've discussed the move on the talk page first. Please move it back and discuss your proposed move on the article's talk page. - BSveen 20:54, Jan 23, 2005 (UTC)

Yeah I didn't realize it would be controversial. Seemed to make sense since thats how most disambiguities are taken care of. I have put it up to have an admin move it back.--Djsasso 21:16, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Northern Ontario

Just for the record, the article on Thunder Bay's daily newspaper has to go at Thunder Bay Chronicle-Journal, because it's not the only newspaper in the world called Chronicle-Journal. "The Chronicle-Journal" with no city name in it needs to be a disambiguation page. Bearcat 11:06, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Then it should be Chronicle-Journal (Thunder Bay) should it not? --Djsasso 05:52, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Ice Hockey

Welcome to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Ice Hockey project. Let me know on my talk page if I can help in any way. Kevin Rector (talk) 13:33, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)

Hockey minor leagues

Ummm ... no. The terms "AAA", "AA", and "A" refer to official classifications of baseball minor leagues, but there are no such classifications in minor league hockey, despite many people trying to force baseball terminology on the sport.

That being said, in baseball, the AAA-AA-A classification is stable -- leagues like the IL, PCL, EL and NY-PL have been at their levels for many decades -- which cannot be said for hockey minor leagues. Within a 20 year period, the IHL went from a semi-pro league, to the point where some of the crazier owners discussed competing with the NHL, to being defunct, and in that same period, the ECHL went from being just barely above semi-pro level to the second leading minor league in hockey. RGTraynor 20:01, May 20, 2005 (UTC)

Jonathan Cheechoo, Jason Krog, et al.

Hi, I noticed that you listed these articles as copyvios on June 15. I couldn't find any page on NHL.com or NHLPA.com that said they were. Do you have any exact links to pages from which these articles were copied? --Idont Havaname 18:23, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

ABA

Thats not the case, I follow the ABA, EVERY team that is announced they have paid the money for the franchise. You can contact the ABA CEO Joe Newman if you do not take my word for it.

I know Joe Newman ABA CEO does not do that anymore, I spoke with him on the phone before about that, he let some teams get in without paying the money last year, but not this season, he will no longer do that. SportsMasterESPN 10:15, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Sports userboxes

Can you take a look at the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Userboxes/US_and_Canadian_Sports. -- Jeff3000 03:33, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Reminder on Hockey Infoboxes

From Template:Infobox Ice Hockey Player -

• former_teams

Use for other teams the player played for in his CURRENT LEAGUE.

--207.69.137.207 16:41, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually its for highest league played in unless we have changed the standards.--Djsasso 21:55, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

So apparently it has changed...seems silly to mention his minor stuff and ignore the NHL status. Especially when we have the prospect tag to mention the AHL experience. --Djsasso 22:03, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Thunder Bay, Ontario

Greetings. I am curious about your rationale for changing [[Thunder Bay, Ontario]] to [[Thunder Bay, Ontario|Thunder Bay]], [[Ontario]] across many articles. On the face of it, I can't say that doing so seems a good idea.
-- Lonewolf BC 04:56, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

It's just a standard way of doing cities so that both the link to the city and the link the province is clickable. --Djsasso 16:40, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I guessed (as could most anyone) that the idea is to make the province into a separate link. I just don't see that as helpful in most cases. What exactly is the thinking behind it? And whose "standard" is it?
-- Lonewolf BC 22:47, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

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Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey/Player pages format

Hello, Djsasso. What's you opinon on my compromise proposal? I admit, it's not the perfect solution (it may even anger, editors on both sides of the debate). I just want to end the diacriticals dispute, it's be going on for a year. GoodDay 21:46, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I do agree that it needs to get solved and I like your idea but I think I like the opposite of what you are suggesting. I think the title of the article should shill have the diactrics etc but that they should make it "english" inside the article. I never use them in articles but I do very much believe in seeing them in the name of the article. --Djsasso 21:50, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

My idea for English title, is based on English Wikipedia as a whole. What's your view on different treatment for Euro/French NHL personnel & former NHL personnel? GoodDay 21:57, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

To be honest in the most part it doesn't matter to me which way we go. I just feel being that it is a proper name you leave it the way it is in their native language out of respect. However, as far as your proposal goes yeah that could work but I don't think anyone will really see the difference. --Djsasso 22:00, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

How about adding to my compromise proposal on the Players page format. Editors on both sides of debate (as we are), seen in agreement, may encourage others to join in. Give the compromise proposal a bi-partisan touch. GoodDay 22:10, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Djsasso. Now, there might be move to a compromise (here's hoping). GoodDay 22:21, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

You should check out Krm500's compromise, at my talk page. I think Krm500's compromise, should be given an Afc at Wikipedia: WikiProject Ice Hockey/Player pages format. GoodDay 23:15, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

NHL player nationalities: categories

The standard for categorization is by nationality, not by birthplace -- there are too many players in the NHL whose nationality isn't the birthplace. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Ice Hockey/Player pages format -- "Each player should have a category for their nationality" (it does NOT say "birthplace"). Because not all nations have jus soli law (which grants citizenship based on birth -- for example, I'm an ethnic Chinese-born Canadian who is ineligible for Chinese citizenship), the current standard is to place both the birthplace nation and the player's current nationality in categories. (See Dany Heatley for an example.) Otherwise, it can lead to some complications:

The main reason for this is it's misleading to categorize a player by birthplace, because birthplace can happen completely by accident, and also because it's misleading to assume a player has connections to his birthplace but not the place where he was raised (Robyn Regehr is an example -- he's never considered Brazilian, just Brazilian-born). -→Buchanan-Hermit™/?! 00:32, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes but the point of the categories as I understood it from the previous discussion. (I forget where though) was that it was to be a grouping by birthplace as the info box gives the nationalities. Regehr is a perfect example as he is listed in the Brazilian category. As are many others. There is a good 20+ example of this already. That you can see hey how many players were born in Venezuela or whereever. --Djsasso 15:52, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

That being said I have no problem with BOTH being listed. But I objected to his only listing Canada. --Djsasso 15:53, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, from what I understand, nationality is also determined by international play and that birthplace is not the absolute determiner of that. But yeah, I have no problem listing both categories either, since many other similar Wikipedia articles do exactly the same thing (by listing both birthplace and place of citizenship). -→Buchanan-Hermit™/?! 18:03, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Calgary

Was there consensus fro changing infoboxes on that page? I didn't know anything about it. Kevlar67 20:14, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't believe so. I was just reverting an edit by an anon user. --Djsasso 20:16, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Saginaw Spirit player stats

Just wondering why you were deleting all of the Saginaw Spirit players(NHL Drafted) curretn season stats. I have been updating them on a weekly basis. I see nothing wrong with keeping them updated. Thanks...Kivpit 20:26, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Because it is Wikipedia standard not to have current season stats till the end of the season. If you continue to keep putting current season stats in they will keep being reverted. It makes a huge mess in a number of areas if you are constantly updating the stats. --Djsasso 20:28, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

My additions to the category "English Canadians"

I was wondering why you deleted my additions to this category, which is for Canadians whose ancestors are from England (see the top of the page) similar to the "French Quebecers" category and the "Scottish Canadians" category. There are far more names on those pages than on the "English Canadians" page. People of English ancestry should be allowed the same rights as people of Scottish and French ancestry - remember, Wikipedia should be free from all forms of racism, including anti-English racism. Please be fair and let names of people be added to the English Canadians category, even if you don't like English people. Joe Denham (jdenham1986@yahoo.com)

Hey Djsasso! Keep on deleting the names of people who descended from English immigrants, your doing great work! English people are SCUM and people of English heritage don't even deserve a page on Wikipedia. English people stink and have rotton teeth. Glad to know your a Canadiens fan like me. from Jonathan, a Vancouverite from Quebec, Feb 10 2:55 pm

Well I am certainly not deleting them cause they suck cause I am one. I keep deleting them cause too man people add ancestry with no mention of it in articles. I do it with any ancestry. If its not mentioned in the article with appropriate reference then I remove it. --Djsasso 19:53, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Category order

You mentioned in an edit summary that categories should be placed in alphabetical order according to WP:MOS guidelines. Could you tell me which page in the MOS you found that? I was trying to find some guidance on that a couple of weeks ago and couldn't see it anywhere. I looked in WP:CAT but there's nothing about it there. Thanks! --Gary Will 04:53, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

List of family relations in the National Hockey League

Hello, Djsasso. I've noticed you've attempted (twice) to include the Rheaume's in this article. If you disagree with this article's criteria, simply open up a Rfc at that articles 'Discussion page'. Personally, I prefer the current criteria (which excludes Manon Rheaume). GoodDay 19:18, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually I only added it once. The other edit I made was disambiguating another link. You removed it when it was already included so technically you should put up a RFC to remove it. --Djsasso 19:56, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about the disambiguating link. I'm not gonna bother with an Rfc, I prefer the articles current criteria. GoodDay 20:45, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Just curious, which disambiguating link was it? GoodDay 21:10, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Claude Larose --Djsasso 21:11, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I've checked the 'history' of this article, I didn't do anything to the Larose entry. GoodDay 21:29, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I didn't say you did. I just replied to you before I saw you crossed out the twice. I mean that one of my two edits was the disambig and one was the Rheaume stuff. --Djsasso 00:31, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

That's cool, no problem. GoodDay 18:54, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Mike Danton & Category:Ontario sportspeople

Hi there. I'm just wondering why you removed the 'Category:Ontario sportspeople' from Mike Danton as he is from Ontario, was a professional athlete, and most of his history with David Frost (which makes him more notable as a news item) is from his time as an athlete in Ontario. I agree that it's a pretty broad, all-encompassing category, but it seems to fit in this case. I'm just wondering what your reasoning was in removing the category. ColtsScore 09:37, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Because the category I put him into is a subcat of the other one which is more specific. --Djsasso 16:02, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

"People from"

You wrote in an edit summary that "people from" categories are supposed to be restricted to birthplaces. Can you give me a link to the Wikipedia guideline where you found that? Thanks! --Gary Will 15:07, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I would have to search for a specific link. But there was recently a discussion about it in the Afd area where it was brought up that "People from" are birthplaces and "Associated with" are for places they were later living or working or whatever. --Djsasso 15:33, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Bitfrost

Next time, assume good faith before reverting any edits. --Basique 20:09, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Your edits broke the page and you were logged in anonymously. It was reasonable enough to revert that edit based on that. I do appologize if it wasn't correct.--Djsasso 20:13, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

As far as I could see my edits broke nothing and were well commented, they were also ongoing. Being anonymous doesn't mean you throw out assume good faith. Hopefully you'll remember that in the future. Good day. --Basique 20:17, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Well your headers were messed up...but whatever you don't have to be rude about it. It was a mistake. And as far as the link one yes that one shouldn't have been reverted but VP doesn't make that distinction. --Djsasso 20:21, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Template

Hi, why did you remove the category from Template:User WikiProject Ice Hockey? --Mus Musculus 17:03, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Because on user boxes when you put that sort of category on a userbox it puts every single person with that userbox into the category. Which is not valid. I should not be listed in WikiProject Ice Hockey Templates category. --Djsasso 17:05, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

So wouldn't the solution be to place <noinclude> tags around the category instead of removing it? --Mus Musculus 17:19, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't believe that works in this case but I will try it right now. Ok it appears to work. For some reason I was under the impression that it didn't work on boxes. --Djsasso 17:23, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks for trying it out. --Mus Musculus 17:25, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

SEL

I see you revert my edits about the abbreviation for the Swedish Elitserien. SEL is not used for Elitserien. You will probably not find it anywhere on the official site. They use the abbreviation Elit for Elitserien. On the ice hockey wiki project no one has argued against using the Elit abbreviation so I assume that Elit is what will be used on wikipedia. --claes 22:28, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually it was on the ice hockey wiki project that SEL was decided on. --Djsasso 22:28, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Show me where, please. I've only found a discussion where Elit was proposed and no one objected to that. --claes 23:49, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I will have to go searching for it. As for the discussion you mentioned, I did find that one and there was an objection on it. Yes SEL doesn't show up on the official site because the official site is in Swedish. SEL is the English name of the league. --Djsasso 00:01, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Avalanche Roster

WHy are you removing my edits? Jmlk17 06:27, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Because we don't use the team templates on player pages. --Djsasso 06:28, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Where is that policy? Jmlk17 06:28, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Somewhere in the WikiProject talk pages. The rosters change to often to have them on each individual players page. --Djsasso 06:30, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

So even after the trade deadline, and months before anyone could POSSIBLY change, this is still in effect somehow? Jmlk17 06:36, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Just because there is a 4 month period where players can't move doesn't mean we should change pages just for the one third of the year that players don't move. Not to mention players still move up and down to the farm during this time.--Djsasso 06:38, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Alright...fair enough. Thanks for the explanation. Do you know where the info is at though? Jmlk17 06:40, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Not offhand. To be honest I probably wouldn't have noticed if you hadn't of readded it to a bunch of pages I just took it off of. --Djsasso 06:41, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Simple Question

Hello Djsasso. I have a minor question regarding an edit you've done to a number of pages I've created (Dale Craigwell and Rudy Poeschek among others) in which you change the stats heading from my title "Career NHL Statistics" to "Career Statistics". While this is not a big deal or a major edit I am curious as to why you made that switch. The only stats I put on their pages were their career stats from the NHL, hence the title "career NHL Statistics". I did that because in my opinion if somebody wants to look at their complete stats they can go to Hockey DB or some other link I put up. So I get confused when I see your switch to "career Statistics" because that is not an appropriate heading for the stats provided. Now I'm a semi-new user here and I could definitly be in the wrong but I was just wondering what the mindset behind that change was. ThanksBasstastic 22:41, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Its because we have a standard for player pages and use the same headers for all pages to create uniformity. You are correct in that not all of their stats are listed there however it is still there career statistics even if its not their entire career. Eventually I will get back to those ones and enter in all the stats that you did not enter, however as long as the link to the hockeydb is still on the page we consider it complete. --Djsasso 23:22, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Ok Thanks a lot. I will make sure to make future pages with that heading. Thanks for your help.Basstastic 00:02, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

James Kelly Montreal Maroons

Hello There,

Since you've listed yourself as a Montreal Canadiens I was thinking maybe you could help me with a Montreal Maroons related question. James (sometimes called Jim) Kelly played for the Montreal Maroons back in the 1920s. I can't seem to find any Information anywhere. If you could help it would be great.

Thanks, Michael Drew 21:02, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

CFD

Since you and I voted alike on the March 25 Baseball families discussion, I am calling for your vote on the April 2, Football players (misnamed) and Basketball families categories. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 22:39, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

{{Tampa Bay Lightning 2004 Stanley Cup Team}}

Why have you removed the Stanley Cup Team template from so many articles? --Wafulz 03:48, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Because WikiProject Hockey felt it was being used as a way around a previous deletion. Perhaps I should wait for the tfd. --Djsasso 03:49, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

What previous deletion? --Wafulz 23:02, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Categories of the same name. Can you imagine how messy player pages will get that win on multiple teams. --Djsasso 04:00, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Edit summaries

Hello, I was wondering if you would consider using informative edit summaries for your edits to articles. You tend to edit a number of pages that I have watchlisted, and I have to check the diff to see what you edited because you don't leave a summary. I believe most editors like to scan their watchlists and see at a glance what edits were made to various articles, myself included. Thanks --Mus Musculus 03:51, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I do leave them but not for minor edits because I feel the minor tag leaves the point rather well. --Djsasso 03:52, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, okay. The problem is, you don't always tag them as minor. Going back through your edits to April 4, many of them are not marked as minor and you only left summaries on a handful. If you don't want to do it, or can't remember, it's no big deal - after all, it's certainly not a "rule" - I'm just asking for the consideration. Thanks! --Mus Musculus 04:19, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh I didn't mean to sound rude if I came across that way. It tends to just be me forgetting when I am doing repetitious edits. I certainly don't try and make life hard :) --Djsasso 04:21, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Carolina Hurricanes 2006 Stanley Cup Team

Thanks! :) I hadn't seen the other 2. Darn eyes! :) --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 07:07, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Stanley Cup AfDs

Have you considered prodding these articles as opposed to listing them at AfD? It seems to me that it is unlikely they will be contested. Apologies if there is a reason why you've taken them to AfD. Adambro 17:02, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Probably cause I was never fully clear on how to prodding worked. I will do that for the rest of them. I think I misunderstood that when you prod'd you then moved them to afd but I was just reading about this just before you messaged me and realized they just have to sit there for 5 days so I think I will prod the rest. Thanks. --Djsasso 17:05, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Okay sure, it should just make it a more straightforward process for you. Regards. Adambro 17:09, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

HÃ¥kan Andersson reply

I'll see what I can do, it would most likely still be a stub but maybe a few more lines and some refrences. --Krm500 22:25, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Deleting of pro clubs in infoboxes

Just wanna ask why ya have deleted the European pro clubs in the infoboxes I have created. Kaiketsu 21:39, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Because the standard is to only list the clubs of the highest level of hockey reached. --Djsasso 21:58, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

"Highest level"? And that is apperntly the NHL and the WHA as far as you are concerned. A quick check at the IHPinstructions states that: league: (use abbreviation. ie: RSL or SEL or NHL. If league name is relatively short, you can use the full name. ie: SM-liiga. Infobox WILL flex to accommodate the name) and played_for: (pro teams a retired player played for. Enter FULL NAME of teams). Now..that is for retierd players....as far as active players...it says that: Use for other teams the player played for in his CURRENT LEAGUE..now that would mean Jörgen Jönsson's NHL record would have to be deleted since he is currently playing for his 2^nd club in Elitserien and not the NHL. Kaiketsu 09:36, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes that just explains how to put them in, not what goes in them. Except in the case of current players which yes I did make a mistake on that one player. And its not just me when it comes to stating the WHA and the NHL are the highest leagues.--Djsasso 13:00, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

What goes in them? I don't see a set standard for the that. Yeah the NHL is THE league...as far as money and prestige is concerned. That doesn't take away the fact that the clubs in Russia, Sweden, Finland, the Czech Rep., Switzerland and so forth are professional ice hockey clubs and not amateur ones. They should be regarded as such. That would be like saying that Major League Soccer is worth nothing because the big money is in European football. So I'm gonna continue and recognize them since hockey is not exclusivly an NHL affair. Kaiketsu 15:00, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

It's in one of the talk pages for the project. I don't disagree that hockey is not exclusively an NHL affair, however skill wise, the NHL is the top whether we like it or not. It may change over time with the strengthening of Europeon leagues like the RSL. The reason we don't list every team in the info box is for standardization. You just list the highest level in the info box and you list the rest in the article as the infobox is intended to be a summery. --Djsasso 15:09, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Non-Notable people engraved on the Stanley Cup

Now I realize that winning the cup for a player is a very notable thing. However, maybe its just me but I think its a bit over kill to have every person engraved on the cup listed on wikipedia. That being said I don't mean we should leave off players who won it. I think every player who won it should be on here. Its the "staff" members for lack of a better term that I think is a bit of over kill. The trainers and the physical therapists. A good example and the one that finally put me over the top with thinking I should seek others opinions would be Art Cayford. I mean exactly what kind of info are we going to ever have in an article about the secretary-treasurer of a team? I think it would be fine to have a list of some sort to list these people. But not completely seperate articles. --Djsasso 06:27, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

I very much disagree with this! I think they should stay on the list!! My brother Chris Huffine (Video Coach) won the cup last year in 2006 with the Carolina Hurricanes becoming the first North Carolina native to ever win and have his name etched on Lord Stanley's Cup!! http://www.hhof.com/html/exSCJ06_32.shtml I feel this has some North Carolina Sports historical significance, plus, these guys work just as hard as anyone to win the Cup just ask the players, coaches and management! It's definitely a team effort! If your on the Cup, your on the Cup no matter who you are!! How would you feel if someone in your family had worked very hard for 15 years and a dream comes true only to be be taken off Wikipedia?? Can someone tell me how to keep my brother's info. on the Wiki site?? It's due to go off by 4-29-07 if it's not changed?? This is my first time on the site! I'm very new at this and don't really understand the protocol yet... Thanks!!

I don't doubt he worked hard to get what he got. But there are very strict guidelines on to who does and does not make it onto Wikipedia. If there weren't then every joe schmo could get onto the site. Unfortunately your brother does not meet those standards. That being said, we aren't removing his information off the site, we are just presenting it in another way. He will still be on wikipedia. --Djsasso 23:19, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

People engraved on the Stanley Cup

Hello,

I noticed you've started to delete many of my articles. you said that the one that pissed you off the most was Art Cayford. The reason that I created an article for him was that the 1926 Maroons where the first team to engrave the names of their front office staff on the Stanley Cup. Is that not an important enough moment in Stanley Cup History. Without trainers and other staff member's the players would never survive the grind of the Stanley Cup playoff's in order to win the Stanley Cup. I did a lot of research on people such as Paul Boyer (Detroit Red Wings trainer), G.E. Walker (Toronto Maple Leafs Head scout), and Nick Garen (Chicago Blackhawks trainer). I don't see the harm in leaving these articles standing. Could you please Detail your argument for me. I can't help but take it a bit personally.

Thanks, Michael Drew 21:32, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't intend this to be anything personal but a person needs to be notable to be on Wikipedia. Having your name on the Stanley Cup doesn't make you notable in and of itself. Atleast not to the point of having your own article. For people such as this we create lists because there is never going to be enough information to fill up an article on such people. I do agree that their efforts are important in some respects but not to the point of having their own articles. I would more than happily support you if created an article called something along the lines of List of Non-players engraved on the Stanley Cup. There may be a better way to name it but an article like that would be much better than individual articles on each staff member. As you can see by that discussion I am not the only one who feels this way or those articles would not have been deleted. As far as Art Cayford for example, yes that team was the first team to do so, so what you would do is put that fact in the article about the Montreal Maroons and mention those peoples names, but you would not create articles for them. --Djsasso 21:42, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

So we disagree on some things, but ...

		The Running Man Barnstar
		For your hard work in keeping us informed on hockey-related deletion topics, a pretty thankless task!  RGTraynor  01:37, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Joffre Desilets

Hello. I noticed you recently removed a 'refimprove' tag I placed on Joffre Desilets. I believe this was unnecessary, since the article does not include full citations for its sources, as requested in WP:CITE. Please do not remove the tag until you have solved the problem. Yours truly, Boricuaeddie^{Talk • Contribs • Spread the love!} 21:21, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

You might want to take a look at the page again. There was a reference there that is approved as a reliable source. I admit the heading of the source was misleading so I have fixed it. But it is there. --Djsasso 21:34, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Hello. This is a reply to your comment on my talk page. I put refimprove tags on those articles because they do not include full citations, as requested in WP:CITE. I am not doubting the reliability of the sites, I'm just alerting people that they are not properly and fully cited following the format presented in WP:CITE. Please see the link provided for the Wikipedia policy before posting further comments on my talk page. Thank you. Yours truly, Boricuaeddie^{Talk • Contribs • Spread the love!} 23:06, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Full citations are just a type of citation. They are not the only kind of citation. Webpages for example don't fall into the format of full citations but are just as good. --Djsasso 23:11, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

I've checked WP:CITE. It says, "All citation techniques require detailed full citations to be provided for each source used." This includes embedded html links. Also, if you look at WP:CITE#Embedded_HTML_links, it says, "A full citation is also required in the References section." Yours truly, Boricuaeddie^{Talk • Contribs • Spread the love!} 23:17, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

You are correct, when its an article you are citing such as a news story. When you are citing the page itself you cannot do a full citation as you would not have the author etc. --Djsasso 23:23, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Hello. I think I have an idea on how to do the full citation. I will look for a sheet I received during my participation in the National INTEL Science Fair. The sheet includes information on how to cite sources when the author of the work is not stated. If you would like me to do this, please post your response on my talk page and I will post my full citation idea for the article here. Of course, I will not be able to do it today. Thank you. Yours truly, Boricuaeddie^{Talk • Contribs • Spread the love!} 23:34, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

As you will see here. Just linking the page at the bottom is adequate. Now this particular link is specific to movies but the standard is for all webpages and article types. --Djsasso 00:23, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for providing the link. I had not seen that guideline. I'm sorry if I caused you any trouble. Yours truly, Boricuaeddie^{Talk • Contribs • Spread the love!} 00:41, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Disambiguation for hockey player pages

Hey Djsasso. I want to do a page on the former hockey player Scott Fraser, but of course there is another Scott Fraser already on Wikipedia. I want to make a Disambiguation page, and I looked up the info on how to make one, but I must be dumb, because I can't seem to find out how to start one. I know what to write and everything, I just can't seem to understand how to start with a blank page and go from there (and make links to that disambiguation page). I'd like to make one like the Floyd Mayweather disambiguation page. I'd also like to make a disambiguation for Jim Montgomery. Could you possibly help me? Your one of the only wikipedians I've chatted with and like. Thanks! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Basstastic (talk • contribs) 19:49, 15 May 2007 (UTC).

Sorry, forgot to sign my comment.Basstastic 19:50, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

I started it for you however I will explain it to you for next time. All you have to d.o is a "Move" of the existing page to a new disambiguated page. In this case I moved Scott Fraser to Scott Fraser (politician). At which time I then edited Scott Fraser to have links to the two different Scott Frasers. Naming standard for hockey personnel is Scott Fraser (ice hockey). So if you want to create a page for him now all you will have to do is click on the red link and start your editing. --Djsasso 21:20, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh and I forgot. Make sure you go to all the pages that link to the original and point them to the new one that they should point to. I have already done it for Scott Fraser. Sometimes you find out there are other people named that through doing this as well. Like in this case it turns out there is a third one involved in the music industry. --Djsasso 21:34, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! Much appreciated!Basstastic 23:13, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

The Wikipedia:WikiProject Ice Hockey/Player pages format page

I've amended the opening paragraph of the notability standards section again. You stated in earlier discussions that "we are not using these as notability guidelines to decide whether to delete articles, we are using these as notability guidelines to CREATE articles", and "Its a guideline for people to use when creating articles who are part of this wikiproject". Considering what you've expressed earlier, I hope the new opening paragraph is acceptable. If not, well, I guess we'll keep discussing to come to a compromise. ColtsScore 16:24, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah this way is better than your last edit. --Djsasso 18:04, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

{{db-author}}

If you ever accidentally create a page and need it deleted, you can use {{db-author}} to speedy it. Cheers! — Scientizzle 00:54, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks...I knew there was a template for it but couldn't for the life of me remember it.--Djsasso 00:55, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Marguerite Norris

Hello,

You seem to have redirected a page I created on Marguerite Norris. She is notable in that she was the first female executive in the NHL. Not just the first woman on the cup as stated on the Stanley Cup article. Does that not make her notable ? The Notability standards for ice hockey players do not say anything about executives.

I'd Appreciate more clarification. Thanks, Michael Drew 02:32, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

talk: 2007 Stanley Cup Finals

You may have to redirect the talk page aswell. GoodDay 18:49, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, didn't think of that. --Djsasso 18:52, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Randy Carlyle

Please note that the undisambiguated title "Sudbury" is not an article about the city in Ontario. For that article, you can link to Sudbury, Ontario, Greater Sudbury, Ontario or Greater Sudbury, but not to just "Sudbury", because that's a disambiguation page. Bearcat 00:13, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't think I even realized I took the Ontario out....I totally just meant to put |Sudbury next to what was already there as we usually do. I must not have been paying as much attention as I should have. --Djsasso 00:55, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

(dab)

Hi Djsasso, I've noticed on a few of your edits that you've added "(dab)" in the edit summary. I was just wondering what it meant? --JD554 10:06, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Disambiguate. --Djsasso 13:07, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Creating a page and becoming an editor

I was wanting to know how you managed to get your symbols on there... and also, I want to be one of those supervisors who watch for vandalism and stuff. TheWikiVigilante 18:12, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Stanley Cup

Why did you revert my A-Class assessment of the article? You didn't provide much of an edit summary (only revert). Evilclown93_(talk) 20:10, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Ack totally didn't mean to revert that page. :) Was looking at it while I was fixing other vandalism. Reverted my own revert. :) --Djsasso 21:41, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

It's not a big deal : ) Evilclown93_(talk) 00:51, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Wade Redden

One of my edits to Wade Redden was reverted because you believed it to be non constructive. Wikipedia is, last time I checked, a place for factual information and, while it may not be constructive, the fact is that Redden is a turnover machine. 74.101.111.242 01:40, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes but until you can back that up with a source its not factual. --Djsasso 07:03, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Are you an Ottawa Senators fan? If you are, and if you have watched a lot of games, that's a pretty clear source. 74.101.111.242 13:39, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

But not good enough for an encyclopedia. That would be considered Point of View which can't be used on Wiki. --Djsasso 17:36, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Why do you keep reverting my edits?

One of my edits to the Anaheim Ducks page keeps on being reverted! I want proven testimony that proves people like being ignorant of the fact that THE FREAKIN DUCKS ARE THE... you listening?... CURRENT STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS! TheWikiVigilante 14:59, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Anaheim Ducks

Your recent re-edit of a change regarding mention of the movie (where I put kids vs teens)...then you should edit the movie page while you are at it...since it mentions "peewee" hockey. Peewee hockey, as you might not know, are not in the teenaged years. They are, in fact, 11-12 year olds. So, either the movie screwed up, the wiki article on the movie is wrong, or you are mistaken. Ccrashh 23:19, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

As a follow up...a quote from the movie: "Now imagine, sir, being ten years old and stepping out onto that ice...with old copies of the " Enquirer" aped to your shins instead of pads. The point I'm trying to make, sir, s that you wouldn't be taken seriously and neither are these kids." Note the operative age: 10 years old. I think you are mistaken about their ages and might want to have another look at the film. Ccrashh 23:29, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

The whole point of one of the films was them going to a brand new private high school. Which just happens to be the same Minnesota highshool that Sydney Crosby went to though they used a fictional name in the movie. --Djsasso 04:02, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello Djsasso. Perhaps I'm overreacting, however IrisKawling has twice within a week, added visiable diacritics to the Ducks page (apparently ignoring my objections). I've pointed out the gentlemens agreement to him (diacritics at player pages, no diacritics at NHL pages). Perhaps he'll listen to you, could you explain things to him. We don't need another 'diacritics' dispute, on our hands. GoodDay 18:29, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

I think the misunderstanding, has been settled. GoodDay 19:58, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

One of my edits to the Anaheim Ducks page keeps on being reverted! I want proven testimony that proves people like being ignorant of the fact that THE FREAKIN DUCKS ARE THE... you listening?... CURRENT STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS! - TheWikiVigilante

Because this is an encyclopedia you have to try and avoid using terms that are current because you then have to change it at the end of the year. There is a reason this is the standard version of how things are mentioned in articles. --Djsasso 15:23, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Makes sense... I still think that the word "current" should be on there somewhere, but I dont make the rules ... TheWikiVigilante 15:36, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Djsasso on this. However, I should point out that the opening paragraph for the St. Louis Cardinals mentions them being the defending World Series champions. I don't want to start editing articles I am not currently active in, but thought I should point it out. Ccrashh 02:55, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I'm not a baseball editor so I won't be changing that but from an overall standpoint in general you need to try and avoid placing extra emphasis on current events. --Djsasso 05:20, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I get the point.... You will get no more interference from me... all I ask is that you get rid of all my quotes on here cause Ive realized i was being a jerk... please take off my comments. Thank you. - TheWikiVigilante 07:18, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Stat table

I was going to post this at WP:HOCKEY but it's lagging for me so I'll post it here so at least you can see it. I put the darker shade in some stats in my sandbox to show what they might look like. The first one is the current shade with cellpadding set to 1, second is darker shade with cellpadding set to 1, and the third one is darker shade with cellpadding set to 0. You've probably already seen how it looks for yourself, but I wanted to show you just incase. Bsroiaadn^Talk 18:26, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I think that works. We could definitely do that.--Djsasso 22:32, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Alright, cool. Would cellpadding=0 be ok if we used that darker shading as well or should cellpadding=1 be used anyway? Bsroiaadn^Talk 23:08, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

0 would be find with the darker shade cause the darker shade is better at keeping your eye following along. --Djsasso 01:19, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Calgary Flames

If you disagree with WikiProject Ice Hockey's new policies (no diacritics on North American hockey pages), bring your views there (at WikiProject Ice Hockey). Let's avoid 'edit wars'. GoodDay 22:43, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't disagree with the agreement. But the agreement was for player names. Place names is a world wide standard and not even a wiki thing. Country names, city names, river names etc etc keep diacritics in English. --Djsasso 22:47, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

The policy says 'name' (not player name or place name). North American hockey pages (no diacritic) and Non North American hockey pages (diacritics). It's for consistancy. GoodDay 22:55, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Then you changed it cause the discussion was never about place names. It was always about player names. Cause I will never agree to place names losing them cause that's completely incorrect even from an English standpoint. --Djsasso 22:58, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Again, bring it up at WikiProject Ice Hockey (if you want a review of the policies) it's your right. However, if the majority prefer to keep 'all' diacritics off North American Hockey pages, you'll have to abide by it. I'm certain, you don't want another diacritics stalemate. I'm certain you'd be upset, if diacritcs were removed from Non-North American Hockey pages. You see, it's has to be 50-50 (a balance). Personally, I'd love to remove 'diacritics' from ALL pages on English Wikipedia. But, I've chosen the compromise route. In order to get something, you must give something. GoodDay 23:05, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

But you aren't understanding. The agreement both sides came to involved just player names. You monkied with the agreement when you posted it. Place names on all of wikipedia always have diacritics and not just wikipedia in any atlas or map printed in english. Obviously I am not the only one who thought that place names were to have diacritics or other users wouldn't have reverted those edits as well. --Djsasso 23:16, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

I've tried to help out, both sides of the diacritics dispute. Tried to keep the peace. Tried to be a compromiser and now I'm being threatened with the 3RR rule. I requested, you take your differences to the talk page of WikiProject Ice Hockey, instead you autocratically changed the policies. Guess, this is what I get for trying to help pro-diacritic editors. Thanks, with that suggested threat, I completely 'wash my hands' of the diacritics usages debates. You may add diacritics everywhere on all hockey page (if you want). Good luck. PS- no hard feelings, honestly (I'm just disallusioned). GoodDay 23:34, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

The 3RR warning, won't be neccessary. GoodDay 23:35, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

I want you to know this is nothing personal. It's just the discussion that went on with the wiki project was about player names. I am willing to compromise as we have on player names because its only insulting to one person. But when you start doing it to a country name or a city name you are insulting whole groups of people. And I wouldn't have reported you anyway, you just got my ire up with the un-wikipedian comment and I typed before I thought clearly. --Djsasso 23:42, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

I know it's not personal Djsasso. But again, goodluck (Ps- I've left 'swan song' messages at the WikiProject Ice Hockey page and WikiProjec Ice Hockey/team pages). I'm just tired (of the bickering), my friend. GoodDay 23:49, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

UNSC, moves, etc.

Fair enough I am familiar with the common names standard, but why would the article be at National Football League when the more common name is NFL? If that is the case, why would that standard no be incorporated into, for instance, "List of NFL/National Football League head coaches?" I don't know where you want to carry on this discussion, but I won't watch your talk page unless you want me to. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 03:58, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Page length True, but that's why redirects exist and work. I imagine that literally 95% of searches for the major league football organization are "NFL" and they redirect to "National Football League" quite easily. The same would be true of "List of NFL head coaches." As an aside, I'm going to bed now, so I'm not ignoring you, if you immediately post on my talk. I'll probably be free sometime tomorrow. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 04:11, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Removal of prod from Maxim Mayorov

In a roundabout way I removed your prod tag from the article on Maxim Mayorov. I was in the process of removing it when an admin deleted the page, and at the time I was logged in anonymously from a public terminal that I didn't trust, so I couldn't just recreate it from what I had in my edit window without logging in, which I didn't want to do from there. I asked the admin to restore the page.

It would seem to me that playing for the Vysshaya Liga would meet WP:BIO's requirements for notability. I'm certainly not an expert in Russian Hockey, though, so I could easily be convinced otherwise. - Fordan (talk) 02:34, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

I do see where you are coming from, however the Vysshaya Liga is only a minor league and is not Russia's highest league. As such he currently does not meet Hockey Player Notability. It is possible he does become notable if he eventually becomes a regular in the Russian Superleague or the National Hockey League however at the moment he is only a 4th round draft pick which is a long shot at best of ever becoming a notable hockey player. --Djsasso 04:57, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

American/Canadian spellings

Don't know if you are aware of this or not, but American players should definitely use American spellings (such as Freddy Meyer). Also, Europeans who never played for a Canadian team who are not from Canada require American spellings (such as Kjell Samuelsson). When it comes to a player from Canada who only played on an American team or a player from America who played on a Canadian team, it gets a little hazy, but generally I thought it was best to rely on what the original editor used. In these cases, you have often changed the spellings, usually without bothering to note it. --4.239.168.241 02:02, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Some of that is correct while some of it is not. The only country in the world that uses that spelling is the US. Therefore Europeans would use the non-us spelling just like Canadians. As far as hockey players are concerned it was decided a long time ago to avoid these types of edit wars to use the spelling which the highest award a player can achieve for the position uses, The Norris Trophy. On its inscription it uses the defenceman spelling. It's usually not noted because its a non-issue minor cleanup to fall in line with all the other articles. There are strong arguments on both sides of the issue. Some people argue the game was invented in Canada therefore defenceman fits...some say a player born in the us should get defenseman....some say a canadian player on an american team should get defenseman....some say an american on a canadian team should get defenceman...do you see where I am going? Its just easier to go by the spelling used by the highest award.--Djsasso 01:35, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I understand. There are some flaws in basing the Wikipedia-wide spelling on a trophy, however. Take goaltenders for instance. I can't say for sure what the inscriptions say on the Vezina and Jennings trophies, but at the NHL's website goaltenders are listed as goalkeepers. [1][2] Of course, the 2007 winner section below the trophy description uses goaltender, but it still begs the question: Since blueliners are referred to as Defenceman based on the inscription on the Norris trophy, shouldn't goaltenders be referred to as Goalkeepers (assuming that is the inscription on the Vezina)? --4.239.168.178 01:09, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

There is a difference in that the reason we went that way was to avoid edit wars that continuously happen. This does not happen with Goaltenders. Atleast not very often. It was a compromise so to speak. --Djsasso 16:11, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, the compromise works. GoodDay 17:57, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

You wouldn't happen to have a source proving that the Norris Trophy's inscription uses the Canadian spelling, would you? Everywhere I search yields, "to the defense player who demonstrates throughout the season the greatest all-around ability in the position." --4.239.168.214 00:12, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Ice Hockey August 2007 Newsletter

edit   WikiProject Ice Hockey Newsletter Dear Djsasso/Archive 1! You are receiving this newsletter because you have signed up as a member of WikiProject Ice Hockey. The purpose of this newsletter is to update on the goings on of the project, as there have been major changes, and a lot of new recognized content in the past few weeks. If you are an inactive user, you probably won't recognize the new and improved state of the WikiProject! From the project, Maxim. edit   New recognized content By Maxim There have been a lot more Good and Featured articles written in the past few weeks. Here is a list:[1][2][3][4] Featured articles Wayne Gretzky — Promoted on 2006-02-14; on Main Page on 2006-06-13 New Jersey Devils — Promoted on 2006-11-20; on Main Page on 2007-06-30 Martin Brodeur — Promoted on 2007-04-28 Fighting in ice hockey — Promoted on 2007-05-07; on Main Page on 2007-07-19 Dominik Hasek — Promoted on 2007-05-25 Good articles Calgary Hitmen Colorado Avalanche National Hockey League Joe Sakic Nottingham Panthers Stanley Cup Traditions and anecdotes associated with the Stanley Cup Ray Emery The French Connection (hockey) Featured lists[5] List of ice hockey teams in Alberta List of ice hockey teams in Saskatchewan Frölunda HC seasons List of Colorado Avalanche players List of family relations in the National Hockey League List of New Jersey Devils players List of New Jersey Devils head coaches List of drafted Frölunda HC players Notes ^ All articles are in order of promotion, as written on the main WikiProject page; FA's have official dates of promotions. ^ A star represents a featured article or list ^ A green circle represents a good article ^ Stanley Cup is an A-Class article ^ The lists system differs from articles, and doesn't give an official date of promotion edit   Article Improvement By Maxim Upon some discussion on the WikiProject talk page, the Article Improvement Drive page was revamped by Krm500 and Maxim. It was renamed Wikipedia:WikiProject Ice Hockey/Article Improvement, and it includes two section. The first section is called articles in dire need of improvement. It list articles, usually important, that are in very poor shape. The second section is called requested help. Users list an article they request help improving a certain article, which will facilitate collaboration, which is the aim of any WikiProject. There is one article currently listed there, Henrik Lundqvist, here. The goal is to at least get it to Good article status. edit   Diacritics By Maxim In the past few weeks, there has been quite heated discussion about the use of diacritics in article name. The current guideline is using diacritics in the pages of articles of all player names which require them, but redirects are exempt. edit   Task forces By Maxim There have been two new task forces started within the WikiProject to coordinate major topics. Sweden Ice Hockey task force This task force was initiated by Krm500. Its current goal is to improve Henrik Lundqvist to Good or Featured article status. It covers all Swedish clubs, leagues and competitions and associated articles, players and coaches that are Swedish, or have played/coached for a Swedish club, and arenas in Sweden. They plan to eventually operate as a sort of a sub-project, which will have its own articles for creation, ranking importance and quality of articles, and co-ordinate article improvement. Its current members are Krm500, Bamsefar75, and CLAES. New Jersey Devils task force This task force was initiated by Bsroiaadn. Its goal is to improve New Jersey Devils to Featured Topic status. Although it currently meets the required article count, the task force wishes to improve it further. Its area of coverage is very similar to the Sweden Ice Hockey task force. Its members are Bsroiaadn, JHMM13, FutureNJGov, Sportskido8, Michael Greiner, JRWalko, and Soxrock. edit   Requested Images By Maxim After discussion on the WikiProject talk page, Serte created a page for Requested Images. The page encourages users to license images for use on articles. The page also has section to request images for players, arenas, game situations, miscellaneous, and team and league logos. The page has been quite popular; since it was created on July 21, there have been six completed requests. There are four currently outstanding requests: Patrik Eliáš — Photo of player, requested by Bsroiaadn Scott Stevens — Photo of player, requested by Bsroiaadn Daniel Alfredsson — Photo of player, requested by Maxim Hart Trophy — Photo of the original Hart Trophy (retired in 1960), requested by Scorpion0422 edit   Article assessement completed By Maxim On July 12, Kaiser matias announced that he had completed assessing all the articles with a {{ice hockey}} tag, sorting them into Category:Unassessed Ice Hockey articles. Kaiser matias has ranked about 9000 articles in that category, and most were stubs, and "have no information at all", according to him. Everybody is encouraged to expand the stubs into real articles. This effort took around 5 months. A big thanks goes to Kaiser matias from me and all the project. Note: You have received this newsletter because you have added your name here. If you wish to no longer receive this newsletter, please remove your name. 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Diacritics

Your recent posting about the Arbitration Committee, intrigued me. You seemed to suggest an AC ruling (if against you), wouldn't be respected? GoodDay 20:26, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

No thats not what it meant at all. I meant that the Arbitration Committee isn't used to create new policy. They just enforce old policy. For example if you are having an edit war with another user for example. I'll go with whatever consensus is reached. --Djsasso 20:31, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Hold it, let's not start a war about the AC's purpose. Back to Diacritics. There are 'pro-English' editors willing to compromise on the Euro NHL bio articles titles. Indeed Krm500 (a pro-diacritic) editor, offered a compromise (which wasn't given a chance). Why won't you 'pro-diacritics' accept compromise in this dispute. Why do you 'pro-diacritics' editors prefer the bickering over a compromise? 20:50, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

To be quite honest I agree with his compromise which was the compromise that was decided on a year or two ago. Most of us let this issue drop a long time ago. Which is why Nitty's page had diacritics in the title and not in the article. This issue was dead a long time ago but every so often someone comes and tries and argue it again and all the fuss starts back up again. --Djsasso 20:52, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

What was the problem then, with adding that compromise idea to the Wikipedia: WikiProject Ice Hockey/Player pages format? Your fellow 'pro-diacritic' editors, rejected it. Their argument was WikiProjects had no authority over articles. GoodDay 21:14, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Those 'pro-diacritic' editors in question, were 'Elisson' & 'coeLacan'. GoodDay 21:19, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I must have missed where they said don't put it up there because all I see is them arguing their side of the arguement. Heck I even see Elisson trying to come up with a compromise. But the reason its not on the format page is cause no one truely agrees so there is no true concensus only compromise so thus it doesn't get put up. --Djsasso 21:20, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I guess each Euro NHL player article will decide its own title, there no way around it. If this flairs up again (if?), would the Mediation Committee be the answer? PS- I won't start the next fire. GoodDay 21:35, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Part of me knew that. I was just getting carried away with my work. Will go through it more carefully now. Thanks for the heads up. Kaiser matias 17:33, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

The NHL official team websites alone, should be enough to convince you. PS- why are you suggesting (indirectly) that I'm a 'control freak'. I thought we agreed, this wouldn't be personal. Your discription of me, really hurt. GoodDay 21:53, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

But again you are still missing the point. Wikipedia as a whole has already decided this issue. And that diactritics are to stay on place names unless there is an english translation. Roma to Rome for example. Just removing diacritics is not a transalation. I am not attacking you but really you do need to let this topic go. The fact that there was as much a compromise as there is took 3 years or so to get to, be happy it got that far. --Djsasso 21:04, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't matter anymore, it's over. I already (hours earlier) accepted this fact - diacritics will never be hidden/removed entirely from the NHL team pages-. Yes I'm happy to have gotten the concessions I did (reaching 99% of my goal). Someday, extreme pro-diacritic editors will try to re-introduce dios through all the NHL pages. Sadly, not even moderates (like you and Krm500) will be able to stop it. Should that ever occur, I wish you well in defending our work. PS- no hard feelings Dj. GoodDay 22:05, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Plus, I'll continue (from time to time) help keep dios 'hid' on 'player names' and help keep dios 'shown' on 'place names'. Again, sorry 'bout my hysterical behavour. GoodDay 22:15, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello WikiProject Ice Hockey/Participant

I am an advisor to the National Hockey League. With your help over the next few months I plan to review and correct any information on wikipedia relating to the National Hockey League, its franchises, players, executives and partership organisations. I am here to provide you with information. Your work is appreciated. --NHLsource 18:05, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Manchester United F.C. seasons

I notice you voted "Keep" in the FLRC for Frölunda HC seasons. Considering your reasons for that vote, can I ask you to perhaps comment on the FLC for Manchester United F.C. seasons? - PeeJay 17:20, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Northern League

Ok thats fine but why did you remove the examples of the salary cap? —Preceding unsigned comment added by TelusFielder (talk • contribs) 02:50, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

If you click on the history and look at what your edit looked like you will see. It made a mess of the page. You might want to try a table or something like that if you wish to add the information. --Djsasso 02:57, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Ottawa Senators Roster template

Is there a good reason to remove the Sens' roster templates? Someone else added it on the Ray Emery article so I just added the templates on several article containing Senators players too. After all, it makes for a half decent see also. --Hasek is the best 13:23, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I believe I put the reasoning on the first one I reverted, but got lazy after that. But the reasoning is that we don't put roster templates on individual players because it makes for a messy page. Roster templates are only used on team related pages and season pages. --Djsasso 14:38, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

What's your deal??

Man, what's your beef with junior hockey players and deleting stuff just for fun? They're on official franchises, they have fans, stats, cards, etc etc. I think that's pretty noteable. I wasn't aware that Wikipedia was running short of space :P —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bradn87 (talk • contribs) 18:05, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

There are official levels of notability a player must reach in order to be considered notable for inclusion on wikipedia. Hockey player notability. Websites like [hockeydb.com] are for all players. --Djsasso 18:21, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Calgary Wikipedia meetup

Just a reminder that the Calgary Wikipedia meetup is this Sunday, 2pm, at Haymarket Café (1101 Macleod Trail SE). —GrantNeufeld 03:17, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

With the municipal election coming up, I figured it would be good to have another local meet of Wikipedia contributors in Calgary. This would be a chance to chat about Wikipedia stuff in general, but also to discuss ways to cover the election on Wikipedia. I’m suggesting next week, at a location (TBD) in the downtown area. If you’re interested in participating, please vote on when you’d like to schedule the meet. Thanks. —GrantNeufeld 22:00, 30 August 2007 (UTC)