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[edit] Name

AAMoF the term (Potop szwedzki in Polish) is used mostly as a synonym to First Northern War, other minor conflicts at that time have their own names. Therefore this article seems wrong... What do we do? Halibutt 08:00, 18 May 2004 (UTC)

Well, no. I've seen in some of books that whole series of events is referred as "Potop" (not "Potop szwedzki"). In strict sense you are right, of course. If googling you will find a lot of references to "Deluge" starting with 1648, but in Polish in google you will indeed find mostly "Potop szwedzki". SOme historians just tend to nickname "potop" (as in "epoka potopu", doba "potopu") the whole decade dividing history of Poland in two parts. Szopen 09:16, 18 May 2004 (UTC)

In English, the term "The Deluge" would most commonly refer to the Great Flood, or something like that, and not to an event in Polish history. I think we need to move this to The Deluge (Polish history) and make this redirect to Deluge. john k 19:51, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Done so. --Matthead 00:57, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

I removed the following sentence since I think it is very, um...unencyclopedic. "The Deluge may be thought of as an ethnic and religious cleansing of Roman Catholics (particularly the szlachta nobility and landowning classes,) Jews, and Roma within the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth by Orthodox Slavs, Protestants, and Muslims [1]."

The intro currently ends with "During the wars, however, Poland lost an estimated 1/3 of its population (relatively higher losses than during World War II), and its great power status." Is there any source for this?KarlXII 23:13, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Start

When in 1655 did the Deluge begin? Appleseed (Talk) 18:48, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

The opening paragraphs are a bit confusing. After a quick read, I was still not sure just how, exactly, the Poles managed to select a king when the Commonwealth had supposedly been overrun by the Swedes and the Russians. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Star-lists (talk • contribs) 10:27, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] How about Polish-Lithuanian history

Well there seems to be some things that do not correspond to recent research it was Poland-Lithuania or if you want a short name Commonwealth.--Lokyz 20:18, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I assume you refer to the title. The Deluge (history) would be enough, I think - the shorter, the better.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  20:51, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't think the article "the" is necessary. Appleseed (Talk) 21:45, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Indeed, it's not used by any other Deluges. So, Deluge (history)?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  23:06, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Yes. Appleseed (Talk) 23:13, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
No name of the state would be also acceptable. --Lokyz 19:10, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
You realise that Deluge (history) might spark controversy, as Creationists and those who interpret the Bible literally might want to claim that article? Why not Deluge (17th century)? Balcer 15:47, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't really expect that to be a problem. I think Deluge (history) is the best option. Appleseed (Talk) 15:49, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
They have their Deluge (mythology) and more to the point, Deluge (prehistoric). I think the distinction between prehistory and history works in our favour here, so I don't foresee problems along those lines.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  17:42, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
So are we in agreement that Deluge (history) should be the new title? Appleseed (Talk) 22:13, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I believe so.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  23:22, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Done. Appleseed (Talk) 22:50, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] How to...

How do I add battles to The Deluge box? I'm kind of a knoob, sorry. I spotted that the Battle of Chojnice (1656) was not in there. --Dubcat se 22:30, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Replied at user's talk.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  22:49, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notability

Someone did just did add "and [[Brandenburg-Prussia|German]]-[http://historicus.pl/pub/potopszwedzki.htm Potop szwedzki]. Can anyone asses a notability of this author and webpage.--Lokyz 22:18, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] POV tag

This article breaches Wikipedia:Neutrality in a pretty blatant way by attempting to damn the rebels to a modern audience by suggesting that anti-semitism was their only motivation. Non Polish historians don't see things that way. Luwilt (talk) 23:46, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Neither do Polish, for that way. The above argument is only common to old Jewish historiography.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 02:34, 17 March 2008 (UTC)