User talk:Deborahjay

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[edit] Welcome

Hello, Deborahjay, and welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. If you are stuck, and looking for help, please come to the New contributors' help page, where experienced Wikipedians can answer any queries you have! Or, you can just type {{helpme}} on your user page, and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! By the way, you can sign your name on Talk and vote pages using three tildes, like this: ~~~. Four tildes (~~~~) produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question to the village pump or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! // FrankB 16:50, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Note being on the welcome committee, means I'm volunteering to help new comers as needed. I suggest email as the better method, as I can see you've learned already, there is a lot to learn.

For starters, click my signature's blue side, and steal whatever links catch your fancy. If you have a question, the green goes straight to my talk. I have a traffic light there showing (usually correct) if I'm near or on the computer. Best wishes, // FrankB 16:50, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AK, AL etc

Deborah, you make me blush. It's a long time since I met so polite and well-tempered person on wikipedia. Please, accept my apologise if any of my previous posts were in any way offensive. Especially please forgive me the misunderstanding - I still keep to forget that in English "nationalist" is not Polish "nacjonalizm". In Polish "nacjonalizm" is pejorative term and no Pole would call AK as having the ideology called "nacjonalizm". NSZ (part of which was then lossely incorporated into AK structures) was "nacjonalistyczna". Szopen 10:21, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

What you so nicely refer to as my being "polite and well-tempered" -- and I'm sorry to learn that you don't encounter this more on Wikipedia! -- is an outgrowth of my being a professional writer on the Holocaust for a Web readership. As I have an agenda when representing my place of work, this is decidedly not NPOV, but nevertheless must be scrupulous and conscientious, written with academic integrity, so as not to draw criticism and antagonize readers. Besides the topic being fraught with contention in this age of Holocaust denial, I have to contend with being identified as a Jew and an Israeli. All the more reason to write and edit with care.
I really appreciate our dialogue and thank you for writing here. I read your comments with sympathy, and want you to know that I myself come from a family originating in Central and Eastern Europe, all of whose members (as far as we know) left Europe prior to the Holocaust. So my humility in the face of those who experienced WWII themselves is genuine. (My father served in the Pacific Theater, as it happens, which was bad enough.) Consider yourself forgiven, and blush no more :-) Deborahjay 01:04, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Help on Bulgarian Jewry

I've added the article to my watchlist, so I could follow your work and assist you. I haven't ever been to Israel, though I hope I'd one day visit the country and see the memorial and the museum. I appreciate all the nice words about my people and this heroic act — it's one of those things that makes me proud to be Bulgarian! Todor→Bozhinov 10:58, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Icchak Cukierman

The article's history shows an edit of yours in August 2005, performing a Move from Yitzhak Zuckerman to the Polish spelling of his name. What I didn't see was any explanation. What was the justification? -- Thanks, Deborahjay 13:04, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I moved the article to Cukierman, because that was his name, which he himself used when writing in Latin alphabet. Zuckerman is an anglicisation (not even a proper transcription) of its Hebrew form. · Naive cynic · 10:22, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

It is indeed the Polish spelling of his name, as he was born in Poland and used that name there among Poles -- until his early abandonment of that country, emigrating as a Holocaust survivor and Zionist activist. The fact is that he was a Polish Jew whose primary languages even while living in Poland were Yiddish and then Hebrew. He was known to use the Polish language (and poorly, at that), far, far less than his native and acquired Jewish languages. I don't see that his Polish birthplace, and having lived in Poland during his childhood and youth, substantiates the continued use of the "authentic" Polish spelling for his entry in the English-language Wikipedia.

The so-called "anglicisation" to which you object, rather than a strict transcription or transliteration from Hebrew, is probably the most widely accepted form of both his surname and first name. As such, the name "Yitzhak Zuckerman" has been adopted by major English-language reference works and publishers, as I've noted in the article's Discussion page, and I believe it should be used here too. -- Deborahjay 11:01, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I am not really going to fight over such an issue, especially since it is somewhat a border case - you are free to move it back, if you feel that it would better reflect the article naming policies, please just mention in the article what his real name was. I do, however, consider it a bit silly to use Latin semi-transcription of Hebrew transcription of a surname that was originally written in the Latin script. Imagine someone writing about you in, say, French, using a transcription of ג'יי as your surname, just because you are a Jew and moved to Israel, without regard to spelling that you yourself use. · Naive cynic · 21:11, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] About Bulgarian Jewry

Dear Deborahjay, I'll be thankful to see your article about Bulgarian Jewry and the rescue of the community in WWII. Especially if it could be sourced with specialized literature and external links. I'm afraid it is hard to find detailed information about these problems not only here, in English Wikipedia, but also on the internet at all. Best wishes, Jackanapes 13:17, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ezer Weizman quote

Hi. I've just seen the question you posted on Talk:Ezer Weizman several months ago, re the source of a poorly-translated remark of his. The quote in Hebrew can be found at Ma'ariv's NRG site, which has him saying "מעולם לא עלה בדעתי -- "It never occurred to me" (to slap his wife). RolandR 20:23, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

(replied at RolandR's Talk page) -- Deborahjay 23:34, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User-page disclaimer template

You might want to try this: {{User:ais523/Disclaimer|her}}. (The parameter is so it can get the gender right.) Feel free to edit it, or to make a copy in your own userspace and edit that. --ais523 08:59, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I've added it to Category:User namespace templates, to increase the chance that people find out about it. Glad you like it! --ais523 11:07, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nil desperandum

It's good to have you around. ♥ Clio the Muse 08:41, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

(The above refers to my remarks on the discussion regarding how Reference Desk regulars might handle the plethora of scurrilous "Jews'n'Judaism" queries there.) -- Deborahjay

[edit] Shabtai

The translated titles of Shabtai's plays are taken from The Institute for the Translation of Hebrew Literature. Feel free to approach me with any other questions you have about Shabtai or Hanoch Levin, as I am currently doing some research on both (trying to make a case for belated Modernism in Israel) and have also translated some of Levin's plays. AshcroftIleum 00:55, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] deleting from talk pages

i know a lot of people on wikipedia archive their conversations on their talk pages but once i read a message i delete it after a while just for organization's sake. i'm glad you responded personally to my question though. thank you again. Amirman 21:36, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Question about the Question of Jews being humiliated on the reference desk

Image:Another example of Jewish humiliation.jpg

Image:Yet another example of jewish humiliation.gif

Hey there thank you very much for your responses. I still dont understand why people are tacidly watching it, and if you go to the British imperial war Museum's Holocaust exhibition there are at least 8 photographs of the same event happening over Austria with spectators laughing at them. For example there are 2 pictures here and the spectators are forming a chain prohibiting the victims from escaping, they are clearly getting off on it and i dno why. COuld you please attempt to shed some light on why nobody is doing anything. It really befuddles me --User:Ahadland1234 23:30, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

(replied at the User's talk page -- Deborahjay 00:01, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Deborah, thanks very much for your two comments on my talk page; glad you like my suggestion! --Mathew5000 04:54, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Babel Old Hebrew

Hi Deborah
I hope you are the right person to help me. If not, could you please tell me someone, who can?

I want to create Babel box templates for Old Hebrew. For this purpose I need the translations for the boxes:

  • hbo-4: This user speaks Old Hebrew at a near native level.
  • hbo-3: This user is able to contribute with an advanced level of Old Hebrew.
  • hbo-2: This user is able to contribute with an intermediate level of Old Hebrew.
  • hbo-1: This user is able to contribute with a basic level of Old Hebrew.

For the above sentences a translation for female and male users are needed. Some users don't like to speak in 3rd person of themselves, so translations "I am able ..." / "I speak ..." also are needed. For the Kategorie texts the plural is needed "These users are able ..." / "These users speak ...".

Thank you in advance. Hubert22 08:37, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] (non-legal/medical) "Advice" on the Ref Desk

Well, it looks like intervention was a bad move on my part, everyone focused on the deletion and were unwilling to try and defend the actual content of the response. Sorry about that, it would have been much more productive to discuss the content instead of this sideline of notifying editors when their responses are removed.—eric 17:54, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Welcome to the dream world of Ref Desk where Never was so much owed by so many to so few. That's StuRat on the right. David D. (Talk) 19:33, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] pre-SSR "Belorussia" vs. "Byelorussia" in US English

Of course, by all means, go ahead.  --LambiamTalk 08:51, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Deborahjay (may I call you DJ?). No worries at all. I was just wanting people not to get sidetracked into a fascinating (but what I thought was ultimately irrelevant) discussion about the niceties of transliteration. I personally love a good irrelevant discussion, but some people don't.  :) JackofOz 09:41, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding User DDBall

Deborah, I am a fan of yours. I appreciate your work and do not wish you to waste time away from it, except to attend to your own needs. If you feel I have crossed a line, you have my blessing to post a correction without warning, unless you feel the warning warranted.

I am aware of anti semmitic material posted on the reference desks. I agree that much effort spent in challenging such stupidity is wasted, but unavoidable for responsible adults.

For the record, I have both Western and Eastern European Jewish ancestors. The Jacobs and the Herwitz (and, possibly, Horowitz). I would be interested in tracing that family tree, but understand that might not be possible due to many factors. My Grandmother knew the name of the Russian village the Herwitz fled, but never told anyone as she did not want her children to endanger themselves by going to Russia.

You might enjoy this music piece I wrote Everything is Illuminated

Yours sincerely, David Daniel Ball DDB 06:27, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Musical Instruments WikiProject

I saw your fingers in some of the music articles (specifically List of Israeli musical artists), and thought you have an interest in music and musical instruments. Therefore, I am inviting you to join the Musical Instruments WikiPorject! The project is still a young one, but we need all the participants we can to improve the quality and coverage of musical instruments. Please come over and help out! - NDCompuGeek 07:02, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Israeli Euriovision entry

Please see my comment atTalk:Shir_Habatlanim. I'd be grateful for comment! Thanks PS You might think about archiving some of this page... :-) --Dweller 13:39, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hi from Jack

Thanks for your lovely compliment, Deborahjay.

I can get a little too intense sometimes, too. Wikipedia needs people with passion, but it's good very often to chill out, step back, have a beer, go for a walk or whatever, and get things in perspective. I'm now off to take my own advice. Regards JackofOz 03:58, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Yom HaZikaron too?

Hey Deboroahjay, do you happen to know if this Sunday to Monday date-shift also affect Yom Hazikaron which according to a calendar I was looking at begins on Saturday Night? Thanks, --Valley2city₪‽ 02:33, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

(Replied at User's talk page -- Deborahjay 23:11, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lithuanian to English

Hi!

I was asked to help with translation of a phrase "VOKIEČIŲ ŽVÉRIŠKUMAI ŠIAULIUOSE" from Lithuanian to English.

The translation is: "Brutality of Germans in Šiauliai", where the word brutality in Lithuanian is used in quite a literary and figurative form, highlighting its strength. That might have made some difficulties to understand it.

Cheers, --Meier 09:50, 19 April 2007 (UTC) P.S. Please excuse me for a lag while replying.

Hey, nice to help you, please don't hesitate to contact me in future! --Meier 11:24, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "The" + country name

Hi, Deborahjay.

I saw your question/comment on the page for Ukraine. My thoughts seemed off-topic enough to bring here rather than Ukraine's talk page.

In general, (American) English doesn't use a definite article with a country name. Exceptions I can think of:

  • The United Kingdom
  • The Philippines
  • The Netherlands
  • The Bahamas
  • The Gambia

Except for the last, it looks to me like they're all "collective" countries -- the UK incorporating England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland; the Philippines its many islands; the Netherlands its seven provinces. Not that this collective notion is right; I'm just musing.

Gambia is the kind of outlier that Ukraine was (or is?) -- while I see its official name is "Republic of The Gambia," sources like The New York Times call it just plain Gambia.

No accounting for the shifts in English -- a few centuries back, an Asian empire was known as "the Japans."

— OtherDave 21:01, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] get well card

My adopter, NDCompuGeek is not doing so well. Can you sign his get well soon card? Spread the word please. Sincerely, Sir intellegent - smartr tahn eaver!!!! 03:06, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] == Re Good pickup! ==

However you discovered my User Talk page had been vandalized, I greatly appreciate your intervention. Given the RL and virtual exposure I face due to my usual sphere of activity and the rough neighborhood I live in, I do get edgy about being singled out for attacks, even a relatively ridiculous one as this was. I'm especially glad to have made your virtual acquaintance, as I'll be needing some guidelines in writing on pages about novels, and had yet to make any move in that direction. I'll be back! :-D -- Thanks, Deborahjay 20:46, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

No problem. Actually this guy was randomly adding the Humour template to many user pages. So in this particular instance at least, you can rest assured that you were not singled out. :) About writing novels, I am new to it too. You might consider joining WikiProject Novels if you are interested. - TwoOars (T | C) 20:52, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Thanks

Thanks, Deborah. I checked the user's contributions, and he seemed to be legit. -- Mwalcoff 01:06, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] rebound

Get well soon.
Get well soon.
... and you never cease to surprise. :-) ---Sluzzelin talk 12:24, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


O noes!1! U waznt bad so not haz tu hide. U can plz monitur mai mental helfz any tym!!!1! ♥ Deborahjay (talk) 13:41, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Luna Lovegood

Hey Deborahjay. I know it's splitting hairs, but you have to think about the way Harry phrased the question, has anyone you've known ever died? It's pretty obvious from the context of the conversation that Luna saw her mother die, but she doesn't specifically say it, because of the wording of the question. I'm not fighting the inclusion of it in the article anymore since I do believe that it's implied that Luna witnessed her mother's death, but technically we don't know who she saw die. But yeah, it's just semantics, really. Cheers, faithless (speak) 18:37, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Yitzhak Rager

Sure, if you need any help, just let me know. An interesting sidenote about Rager, is that although they renamed the main street after him, virtually no-one actually calls it by its new name - everyone still refers to it as Derekh HaNesi'im. пﮟოьεԻ 57 09:06, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Antisemitism

Be careful, Deborah. If this is who I think it is he is likely to come back at you with a whole set of fatuous supplementary points. Please see what I have written on the RD talk page. Best wishes. Clio the Muse 01:25, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Not having yet read Clio's comments, I can't be accused of piling on here. I thought your answer an excellent one, even though there was a strong smell from under the bridge about the question. Bielle 02:40, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks (re Ref Desk)

Thanks for your thanks. --Anon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.176.159.90 (talk) 05:48, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] IDF Chief Military Rabbis

Hi Deborahjay: In looking at the IDF's Military Rabbinate article, only Chief Military Rabbi Shlomo Goren has an article. Articles are still needed for rabbis:

  • Mordechai Peron (1968-1977),
  • Gad Navon (1977-2000),
  • Israel Weiss (2000-2006),
  • Avichai Rontzki (2006- ).

Happy Chanukah! Thanks, IZAK (talk) 14:13, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shoah in Norway

Shavua tov! Thanks for your kind greetings. I'll be working on existing and new articles as I get through the literature - I've received a bunch more books and have ordered more.

Feel free to share feedback about the articles, suggest additional articles, or ask for more information. I'd be delighted if these articles make it into the Hebrew. --Leifern (talk) 03:37, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and feel free to email me directly via my user page. --Leifern (talk) 03:41, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RE: Laterna Magika

Unfortunately I have no special knowledge of the subject matter, I saw that Wikipedia didn't have an article on it and it was on the Wikiproject requests page, I just wrote it using what I knew and what I found on its website. The Dominator (talk) 18:02, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

I've added it to the to-do list rather than the wanted articles as that is for articles that don't exist yet. The Dominator (talk) 20:05, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dmochowski's Laboratory

Hello, I saw your post on WP:LITH talk page. I checked Lithuanian encyclopedias for Dmochowski... and there are quite a few notable people by that name, but I don't think any of them are much use to you as they were sculptors, painters, bishops, writers, etc. Nothing seems to be related to science. In 1932 Vilnius was in Poland so you might want to ask Polish editors if they know something. Also it would be helpful to know the original name of the institution. Renata (talk) 05:43, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Help on wasabi :he:en:

Need your special touch at Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Language#Translation_from_Hebrew.2C_please Cheers. --Dweller (talk) 01:10, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Ta. It was delicious. --Dweller (talk) 10:28, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry

I could not find it for Ha'aretz only Yediot Aharonot via the Israeli Foreign Ministry for March 13, 2008.[1] --Al Ameer son (talk) 15:32, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


[edit] RefDesk

Thank you for your suggestion. This situation came about very abruptly. His mother passed in February of 07 and our group of friends is the only family he is left with (locally). We're all having great difficulty "finding the right words" right now, so I'm hoping I can at least help lead him (and my other friends) in the right direction. --Endless Dan 20:26, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks...

and happy Independence Day to you as well. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:44, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Veranderung...

Glad I could help. I had come across something similar in an audit report and dug deeper. I like the "busy" box on your page. I might copy that. ... following from the above, ... and good weather for your barbecue.  :-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lisa4edit (talk • contribs) 19:30, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RD/M

Well, don't put me up on too high of a pedestal. My response to his rabbit question was a bit cheeky since I answered his literal question which was probably not what he was actually asking about. Mr. B.B. probably wanted to ask if the male rabbit had passed on any illnesses before he died and not in the present tense that the question would suggest. Dismas|(talk) 16:12, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Barman and other suggestions

Hello DJ! I really appreciated communication with you. Feel free to contact me on any ocassion if in doubt with your colloquial Spanish, and keep correcting my mistakes! Oh, and your information on editing user pages is welcome! Cheers Pallida  Mors 14:43, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Answer to Scrollhog

I'm sorry if my questions aren't generally consider reference desk material, but most people only look at it in one way. A discussion. I do want a discussion. My questions all of my questions, well most of them, can be answered with facts. Just people see them as they see them. That us as the human perception is reality. And its to bad. My questions will never be answered with cold hard facts. To the closing salutation:

I have to format it that way because if I don't people complain to me. I use to put it all in one paragraph: Blah blah blah blah. Always Cardinal RavenCardinal Raven (talk) 20:21, 18 May 2008 (UTC)Cardinal Raven

But they complain to me about it that way. They said it was confusing so now I put it the way I do. The salutation is me. I won't get rid of it. I just don't know what to do with the formatting at the moment. Generally I like it the way it is.

Always

Cardinal Raven

Cardinal Raven (talk) 20:21, 18 May 2008 (UTC)Cardinal Raven

[edit] superman

as I said, "thank you for following the storyline". Nothing to read into beyond acknowledging your participation. It's all good. :) SpikeJones (talk) 23:46, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] So hey

I think the ŻOB's main article should be worked on. I did some work, but it's really pretty stubbish. --Captain Obvious and his crime-fighting dog (talk) 20:30, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] OK... (re: Adam Thorpe)

Hi Deborahjay, here are the questions you asked:

  • Is that considered a "verifiable source"?
-- Yes, I would consider it a "verifiable source." See WP:CITE and WP:SOURCE.
  • Must I use a citation-style reference? If so, is once sufficient?
-- It's recommended to use a citation template such as {{cite news}}, {{cite book}}, {{cite web}}, etc. See WP:CITE.
  • Is there some other way to indicate the info source?
-- Some other way? I don't really know what you mean.

If you have any further questions, feel free to ask me. Cheers, Thisisborin9sign here! 17:17, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] pl:Wikiprojekt:Izrael

Hello. Nice to see you on Polish wiki, too. Of course I will try to help you with Polish. I'm not really active in project you mentioned, but it shouldn't be a problem ;) --Hiuppo (talk) 20:55, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Adam Thorpe

Thanks for adding the missing poetry works. Although my sophmore year college roommate was Polish, I regret I never learned the language. Racepacket (talk) 21:04, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I added some more references to Adam Thorpe. Some are as footnotes (inline citations), others more general. I moved the British Council biography to the references section, since it was the source for much of the information in the article. I also added some external links. I saw your query above re referencing. Here are some brief answers.
  • If a page on the internet has actually been used as a source for the article, it should appear in a References section.
  • The External links section is for supplementary material not incorporated into the article, but of use to readers, and for any official web sites of the article's subject.
  • It's not necessary to use citation templates. I personally find them fiddly to use, and difficult for other editors to edit correctly. As an alternative, you can use this type of notation added at the end of the particular assertion you want to reference:
<ref>John Fowles, "Thank the Gods for Bloody Mindedness" (review of ''Ulverton''), ''The Guardian'', May 28, 1992, p. 25.</ref>
  • This will make the reference appear as a numbered footnote. Then add this template {{Reflist}} directly beneath the header of the References section. This will automatically place the full information from references like the one above in the References section. (I've already added the template to Adam Thorpe, so it any additional footnotes will automatically appear there.
Sidenote - I used to know Adam Thorpe before he struck it big with Ulverton. We both taught at the University of Westminster in the 1990's. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 08:35, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bernau, Germany

No problem, glad to be of assistance. By the way, I noticed your involvement with the article Adam Thorpe and the message above. I have only read Ulverton, but I have to say it's one of my favourite novels of all time - a work of sheer genius, IMHO. Are any of his other novels in a similar style? Which would you recommend? Best wishes, --Richardrj talk email 09:04, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] weird...and wrong {**cringe**}

Hey, he's a Hungarian. He won't know the difference. (I just got back from Hungary. What a bizarre language. But I'm so proud of myself; I ordered "tap water" in Hungarian, and they brought some!) --Milkbreath (talk) 13:18, 8 June 2008 (UTC)