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Nautilus

Mostly to make it fit, but also because it's hard to tell what the scar was and because the pointof the pics wasn't the scar. Nice work, though! - UtherSRG 13:00, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)

Ammonite

Things look good. Do you know, though, which suborders go with each order? - UtherSRG 13:58, May 6, 2005 (UTC)

Clinohumite

Hi - I'm looking for a second set of eyes to have a look at this recently posted article. Looks fishy to me, like maybe a copyvio, but nothing shows up on the internet. I'd appreciate your advice as to what I should do about that. -- BD2412 thimk 03:45, 2005 May 7 (UTC)

"Spiritweed"

Curious about that choice of a name for E. foetidum - so I was wondering about that usage. Having never come across it I was wondering if it really is the "most widely used name" in English...the Lesser Antillean name, fitweed, beats it hands down in Google searches. (I would prefer E. foetidum personally). Guettarda 18:20, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

How do you stand on the "English vs. Latin names" issue (Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#Plants_-_latin_vs_english_naming_convention and Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#Plants_-_latin_vs_english_naming_convention)? I'm not really sure what the best name is (as an English speaker I use some form of "chadon beni" (spell as you please) or (more usually) "bhandaniya" - Trinidad, Jamaica and Guyana have the vast majority of native English speakers who have a "common name"...fitweed and culantro top the list of google hits, but one is not English but is used a lot as a borrowed word in American English, giving it a lot of usage, but as a minor/marginal plant, the other is an English word, so it is often used as a "translation", but again, you are looking at an intended audience which does not really know the plant. I don't know if anyone uses "Mexican coriander" - it looks like one of these artifically constructed "common names". (Disclaimer: common names frustrate me - I think they are context specific and are useless outside of specific contexts. Of course, I come from an essentially monolingual country in which most commonly used plants have two or three names - Creole/French, Hindi, Spanish, English - but I don't feel the need to impose my POV). Guettarda 18:38, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
I didn't put it at chandon beni, I don't think it's a good choice - mostly it's spelled "chadon beni" or "shadow beni" in Trinidad. It's probably the most "correct" version of the Trinidadian Creole name (since it's the French spelling on Chandon), but it isn't one that's widely used even in Trinidad. Guettarda 18:40, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
I agree with you that there are places for common names. I don't like where a single common name (often a non-English name) is "imposed" out of the need for a common name. While I doubt a lot of people would know to look for this plant at E. foetidum, I think the diversity of common names (and lack of one that is overwhelmingly dominant) would argue for use of the linnaean binom. But I'm a plant geek with a love for systematic names. Guettarda 18:49, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
Sounds good to me. Guettarda 18:51, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Golden Leaf tree

Hi Daniel - I reckon merge them at Goldenleaf Tree. This genus page had also been started off as just the species when I ran into it back in January; when I checked up I found that there was a whole genus of them, and the common name wasn't restricted to the one species. Chrysophyllum cainito is the commonest (most widely planted) of the genus; I remember there was a real dearth of available info on the other 79-ish species (I could only find one other species name!), so I suspect little prospect they'll ever get individual species pages, which makes it simplest to treat them all on one page. - MPF 20:11, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Category:Plant anatomy

I am sorry, but the correct cat is Category:Plant physiology. Circeus 13:30, May 16, 2005 (UTC)

Take that back. I'll put a link at physiology, though. Circeus 13:32, May 16, 2005 (UTC)

Molohiya

Hi Daniel - sorry, it's a new one on me! It isn't in any of my books, and a google search didn't reveal anything with a scientific name. Guess I'll have to admit defeat on this one! - MPF 17:31, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Found it!! - a bit of digging around in my mother's cookbooks found it; it is usually transliterated in English as Melokhia (confirmed by 3x higher google count); I'll move it to that page. Latin name Corchorus spp., Malvaceae. - MPF 15:42, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
Website - nice one!! :-) MPF 15:59, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
Another name, already with a page . . . Grrrr!!! - Jute. Maybe they'd better be combined? MPF 16:02, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, I think I'll redirect them all to Jute, which is by far the oldest page about the plants - MPF 16:05, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
Just thinking your idea is better - have a separate plant page about the genus botanically (which would be best at Corchorus, I suspect), with jute as a separate page about the fibre uses (I'll hold fire a bit in case you want to come back on it) - MPF 16:10, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
Thanks; I'll go ahead with that then - MPF 16:22, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Taxodium - thanks!! I'll delve into them when I'm done on Corchorus. Going to see if I can find a pic next. - MPF 16:36, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Done them (and T. distichum and Glyptostrobus too for good measure). Doing separate page accounts for the Taxodium species had been on my 'to do' list for a while, it just needed that spur to get on with it! - MPF 00:13, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

Plant cats

Sorry about the categories thing. The carnivorous plant pages had a disparate mixture of random taxonomic levels, so I was just trying to imposes some consistency of (family, order, CP, plants) on them. I take your point about avoiding higher taxa when there's a lower taxon category: seems eminently sensible. The new family categories I added were just for the Droseraceae, Sarraceniaceae, Lentibulariaceae and Bromeliaceae, all of which have large numbers of potential pages, some of which I will hopefully get around to writing soon! (Hope I've added this comment in the right way, apologies in advance if not...).

polypompholyx 12:19, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Kimjongilia

Hi Daniel - As far as I know, their popular names are their cultivar names, i.e., Begonia 'Kimjongilia' and Whatever 'Kimilsungia'. With complex hybrid-origin cultivars like these it is normal to give just the genus name and cultivar name (e.g. Rosa 'Peace'). The only problem is that under the rules of the International Code of Nomenclature for Cultivated Plants, names given to new cultivars after 1950 must be in a modern vernacular language, not Latin (so as to avoid confusion with botanical taxa); these two both appear to be in contravention of that with their Latin or pseudo-Latin endings. But that's nothing we can do anything about, it would need a ruling of the ICNCP to say what they should be called.

. . . . looking up on google . . . .

Aha! - found more details: 'Kimjongilia' is Begonia x tuberhybrida 'Kimjongilhwa' [1], and 'Kimilsungia' is correctly Dendrobium 'Kim il Sung' [2].

As they are cultivars, not botanical taxa, my inclination would be not to give them a taxobox at all (I think only taxa should have taxoboxes!), just stick with the Koreabox and have their botanical origin as a link in the normal text. But I don't know if this viewpoint is shared by others widely.

Gotta go now to puke up after reading all the sycophantic cr@p about the two Kims on various websites . . . :-)) - MPF 17:22, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Probably wise, but I might try and sort them out a little . . . yeah, Suharto and Kim Jong Il - they deserve each other - MPF 18:13, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
Alluaudia

Hi Daniel - my books have got something on this one, it's a genus of 6 species endemic to Madagascar, apparently a major component of the spiny forest there. I'll flesh out the article - MPF 19:51, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Mimosa pudica

Hi Daniel - looks fine to me; it won't grow outdoors here so I've never seen it outside of a pot, but your pics fit descriptions well, e.g. "branches heavily armed with broad-based, white then black-tipped recurved thorns". There's 400 species in the genus, so other species of Mimosa are possible, but unlikely, as M. pudica is the one that's by far the most popular in cultivation and the most widely naturalised. I'm re-jigging the page a bit as it shows big white gaps in my browser (caused by right-aligned pics inserted higher than the level of the bottom of the taxobox; not all browsers do this) - MPF 09:11, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

Pachypodium

Hi Daniel - already flagged that one up at WP:TOL Talk :-) (and I wasn't first either, someone else already tried taking him to task on one of the article talk pages, but the comment has mysteriously disappeared...). Did you see the dozen or so spin-off pages with ten-word titles, too? Aaargh! I'd took one look at it and thought, 'don't want to get mixed up in this' . . . methinks someone's trying to use wikipedia to write a 5-volume book! It's going to be a real tricky one to deal with. How do we wreck someone's life's work because it isn't really suitable for Wikipedia? My best guess would be to get a mod or admin to quietly ask him to take it off anf publish it elsewhere as a monograph, then revert back to the original article except for salvaging a brief summary of the tome - MPF 21:05, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Could do; I think maybe we should put this onto WP:TOL Talk for others to think on too. 'Nother one, on Fatsia, the species you added is now classified in a separate genus as Tetrapanax papyrifer, hope you won't mind my moving it on :-) MPF 21:21, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Thanks! Done; it's at Tetrapanax now (2nd move, after I discovered it is a monotypic genus!) - MPF 22:00, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Stubs

Thanks for marking the Uganda Cowries article as a stub. As part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting, I have replaced the generalized {{stub}} tag with {{philately-stub}}. When you edit other articles, it would be great if you could use these more specific tags whenever possible. Thanks, and continue contributing to Wikipedia! Russ Blau (talk) 18:20, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

Hi - you wrote (about Botany-stub) "Nevermind, there's already one, it was just well-hidden. Now how do I get a cute lil' icon put in?"

You don't  :) We're currently trying to get rid of them, at least until the server problems are fixed (they put a lot of strain on the servers). Grutness...wha? 02:06, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

User:DanielCD/Species page

I moved UserDanielCD/Species page to User:DanielCD/Species page and flagged UserDanielCD/Species page for deletion Samw 21:24, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Rosoideae

Hi Daniel - I can get what he's on about, but I don't have the data necessary to revise it well. I suspect some at least may not be published yet, from the references in the cited paper as to some genera not being resolved. Maybe it might be better to stick to the trad classification until the new classification (and more importantly its nomenclature) is settled, together with a brief summary of the so-far made changes. Some we can include, such as the segregate genera split off from Potentilla, but I think what we shouldn't have is those unranked and not-formally-named taxa "roperculina" and "sanpotina". I e-mailed Hinsley a while back about something else (a Malvaceae query, as he's the person who runs the Malvaceae Pages) and never got a reply, so I'm not hopeful that we could get any more details from him - MPF 20:03, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Sensitive fern

Actually, it is better to use the common name for an article. Scientific names confuse people who aren't already familiar with the term (which is the vast majority of people with this one and most binomial versions; I don't know many other than homo sapiens :-) and greatly magnify the risk of spelling mistakes and duplicate articles (besides the fact that no one would type it in the search box), which is why we don't use them. For instance, see the right-hand side science box at Maple. All of the different species articles are in their common name. This policy is specifically stated at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names), which is a branch of Wikipedia:Naming conventions, where it also listed in shorter detail (so that you know it isn't some random person's policy).

Hi Daniel - just posted this response on Naryathegreat's talk page - MPF 23:48, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
"This depends a lot on the situation. In many plant pages the scientific name is better for the page title. In some cases, common names are confusing or misleading; in others, the scientific name is more widely used than the so-called 'common' name (99% of plants have no common name at all); in yet others there may be different common names used in different areas for the same species, and using one over another can be a POV unacceptable in wiki etiquette. Scientific names also make for much better indexing in Categories, as they index related species in the same genus together when common names might not. The matter has been discussed several times on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life (look through the archives as well!), usually with a majority in favour of using scientific names for all plant pages (though not for animals), with only the size of the task preventing much greater conversion to scientific name page titles".

Hey, I left a paragraph on MPF's talk page that applies here too. BTW, I honestly wasn't assaulting your choice of the name. It seemed to me to be common Wikipedia practice. As always, I assume good faith. At least we have an article on the "Sensitive fern" now, whatever we end up calling it.--naryathegreat | (talk) 03:59, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)

To the biologist acting like a tail...

Thanks for following me around adding catagories, etc. I had no idea there were so many lists of lists. Grika 19:54, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Bernese Oberland vs. Bernese Alps

Hi, I'm changing back several links to Bernese Alps which you had changed to Bernese Oberland. The two terms should not be confused: Bernese Alps refers to a range of the Alps, Bernese Oberland to a part of the canton of Bern. There is no article on the Bernese Oberland yet, but I'm planning to translate the German article as soon as the existing article on the Bernese Alps is moved to Bernese Alps (as soon as someone deletes the existing redirect page). -- j. 'mach' wust ˈtʰɔ̝ːk͡x 19:32, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Goosegrass

Hi Daniel - no idea where you've dredged the name 'Stickywilly' up from, I've never heard of it. Mind if I move the page to its standard botany textbook name Goosegrass? - MPF 20:13, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks; thinking about it, I'll move it to the sci name instead, given it has so many competing common names (a quick google check ["Galium aparine" Xxxxx] revealed Cleavers as the winner, with Goosegrass 2nd) - MPF 20:22, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Eunuch flute

Hello, I think that the right words in french are : flûte eunuque, flûte à l'oignon and mirliton (I am sure of the 2 last ones, not absolutely of the first one which I never saw - but fifite is most probably a mistake due to the ^ upon the u. Best regards Gérard 18:17, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

copyvio

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! We appreciate your contributions to the Giuseppe Sarti article, but we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material. Perhaps you would like to rewrite the article in your own words. For more information, take a look at Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Happy editing!

The above is from User:Fantrl. --DanielCD 28 June 2005 14:56 (UTC)

Text was from 1911 Britannica and was properly cited. Not sure what the problem is. Copyvio was reverted and a comment added to WikiCopVio page. --DanielCD 28 June 2005 14:51 (UTC)

Sorry, overlooked that, I'm new to this. --Fantrl 28 June 2005 15:04 (UTC)

Grass panic :-)

Hi Daniel - I don't know for 100% certain, but I'm reasonably sure there's no formal ICBN-approved rank called a 'Group' (I think deliberately not, so as to leave the term open for informal use). Best check with Qwertzy2, as s/he put it there (and seems to be fairly well up on grass taxonomy!) - MPF 29 June 2005 00:17 (UTC)

Catholic

Why have you added the catholic 'pedia links to the template? as far as i can tell we do not even have any lists of missing articles from that encyclopedia? Bluemoose 17:51, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Ok, it would be a nice companion to the missing jewish articles, when i have time i might look into generating some lists for it, unless you know how to do it? Bluemoose 09:33, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for contributing to the Catholic Encyclopedia Project. I'm glad the list are not going to languish Reflex Reaction 17:23, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Strelitzia reginae

Crane_flower dupes your much bettter Strelitzia_reginae. See note at Wikipedia:Duplicate_articles#C--FourthAve 22:23, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

EB

Something has happened. You and I seem to have been the last editing in this region, but you were on 1911_Encyclopedia_topics. Page 10 (May–Och) is damaged. You cannot edit it, and it chops off a bunch of entries.

Everything seems ok now. I completely seized just after I sent the above note and I had to ctl/alt/del to get out of it. It chopped off in the middle of "Miguel de Molinos". Maybe someone else was editing that section. Anyway. It even saved my most recent annotation edits -- all those towns of the British Raj and tribes in SoAm or Africa.--FourthAve 21:24, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Eucharis

You may find this article amusing; it is certainly charming: Eucharis -- it's from the 1919 EB. You or some else doing the botany bits might give it some tender loving care.

Indian Berry

Hi Daniel - I've had a crack at it; as I read the various stuff, Cocculus Indicus is the pharmacological name for the product in medicine, while Anamirta cocculus is the sientific name of the plant. I've also made a genus page for Anamirta, though I could find precious little about the species on-line and it isn't in any of my books (which have a temperate bias; I don't have a great deal on tropical plants not used in horticulture). The genus Cocculus also exists (have to do a page for that too!), but Anamirta seems to be acepted as distinct from it by the more serious botanical pages I found. I'll have a go at that Eucharis page too (one of my books has it in), I'm just surprised some silly billy hadn't made it a redirect to "Eucharist"  :-) - MPF 13:20, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

57th of November?

Louis Gustave le Doulcet, Comte de Pontecoulant (1764-1853), French politician, was born at Caen on the 57th of November 1764.

I think you made a serious typo there. Could you please correct it? (This came to my attention through the reference desk). - Mgm|(talk) 05:39, August 15, 2005 (UTC)

Admin?

Hi Daniel, I have noticed your excellent work on the 1911 lists, then your name on this list, if you want to be an admin i would be delighted to nominate you. Martin - The non-blue non-moose 00:02, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

OK thats great, just say if/when you are interested. Martin - The non-blue non-moose 13:05, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
Ha! I knew you would break eventually, see Wikipedia:Requests for adminship. Good luck! Martin - The non-blue non-moose 22:15, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
Congrats! - MPF 13:30, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations! You're an admin. Please read the advice.

Congratulations and welcome to the mop squad! Vsmith 01:14, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

1911 EB

Good work on the missing articles project. The EB missing articles list is my new haunt since they deleted the one for Encarta. Look forward to working with you. Paul 21:50, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Zuhayr

Hi, I think we were simultaneously editing here. Hope I've got it right with my disambig of father and son - if you could check I'd appreciate it. I'll be of wiki for the next week or so. Dlyons493 22:39, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Saying hello

Just wanted to say hello and let you know that I am also working on the EB; hope you don't mind another person tilling the field. I love reading the old EB (proper British English) and also feel it's important to fill in the gaps from it because it preserves information from before both World Wars. Thanks and see you round the lists. User:FeanorStar7

Handbook of Texas proposed deletion

Please go here and express your opinion on whether Category:Handbook of Texas citations should be deleted. As a Texan Wikipedian, your opinion on this topic is particularly valuable. 66.167.253.162 17:53, 26 September 2005 (UTC).

Thomas Charles / Thomas Charles Edwards

Hi. I think moving the article on Thomas Charles to Thomas Charles Edwards was wrong. They are two different people, though TCE was named after Thomas Charles and both had connections with Bala. Is it OK if I move the stuff on Thomas Charles back to that heading and write a bit on Thomas Charles Edwards? Rhion 15:21, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Oops we seem to be competing

Your work on missing articles is very useful but you could probably do with a little more searching as many articles already exist under a slightly different name. Imru' al-Qais, Jarir Ibn `attyya Ul-Khatfi and most recently Khalil Ibn Ahmad all had articles but under different names. The last one I only created a few days before so it may not be indexed in searches yet. It is just unfortunate when you go to all that wiki work and it just gets merged in some time later. BTW do you know of any standard for arabic names in wikipedia? I haven't been able to find one. I would advocate merging Khalil Ibn Ahmad into Khalil ibn Ahmad not because I wrote the latter but because I think ibn should be lowercase unless it is placed at the start of the name like Ibn Khaldun. What is your opinion? MeltBanana 14:54, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Peter Robinson

Thanks for tidying that up for me! I'm quite new to Wikipedia, and I was in a rush - I'm normally more accurate! Do you know his work or did you see it on a list of recent articles? Kymara 10:55, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

EB 1911 Rant

No, you weren't ranting. We are tilling stony fields now. My major reply is on p. 15. I am sorting out the European place names -- all those communes of France and Italy, municipalities of Spain, etc., and their current equivalents. I even do the Romanian ones.

Right now, I choose not to do the big juicy articles because I do not want to be slapped with a merge template. Been there, done that.

The remaining articles need to be booked, chaptered, numbered and versed. --FourthAve 07:58, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

German towns

I don't think that importing articles about towns from the 1911 Britannica is a good idea, as almost everything except the location and pre 1911 history is likely to be misleading, but if you continue with it, please delete the obviously out of date information, such as lists of factories. CalJW 20:13, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

1911 EB imports

How about you start at the Z's so we don't start edit conflicting :) BRIAN0918 • 2005-10-12 20:15

  • I had only planned to do most of that 1 page for now. I'll come back in a few weeks and do the rest of the 1911 Encyclopedia topics. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-10-12 20:25
    • I'll also be using this convenient search/replace text editor that'll really speed up the copy/paste from 1911EB into Wikipedia. But not for a few weeks, if I can hold out. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-10-13 00:29

List of extinct plants

Since you seem to be knowledgeable in the botanical topics, perhaps you could look into List of extinct plants and give any suggestion for corrections or/and improvements? I have taken interests in the area recently and still have a lot to learn. Thanks. --BorgQueen 22:27, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Request for Adminstratorship

Daniel, I would appreciate any input you have for my Request for Administrator. Thanks so much --Reflex Reaction 21:09, 21 October 2005 (UTC)