User talk:Chupper/Archive 4

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references on Bono

Hi Chupper

I've done some work on the way references are presented in the article. I did two things:

• The main thing was to combine as many multiple footnotes for the one point into one single footnote. Ie, i haven't removed any references, rather I put them under one footnote. Where we have in the text: [3][4][5] for example, i replaced it with [3] simply by changing the ref format from ^[1][2][3] to => ^[4]. THis looks much better in the article, also it's easier to read especially if you use firefox as it should now highlight the references when you click on the [footnote]. It is also how it is done in books.
• A small point: I changed a number of long urls to simply put the domain name there (ie, they still link - it's just 'piped' now).

Note: there are still one or two refs left to combine that are a little more tricky. I will get around to it soon. Merbabu 13:42, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Delete

Animas images, if you find more delete them. They were ul when I was on the wiki about a day. Thanks. IvoShandor 16:45, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Zoned school section of Trump Tower Chicago

There is a reason why the section is there; CPS will assign the tower to a set of zoned schools. WhisperToMe 03:43, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I don't mind the section being removed, just as long as the information is there :) WhisperToMe 22:25, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Trump International Hotel and Tower (Chicago)

What happened to the images on Trump International Hotel and Tower (Chicago)? On the talk page we had resolved to have 8-12 pics in the gallery and 2-4 in the article. Did you move the pics to the commons?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:10, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

You can tell by my user page that I relish turning things into good articles. I am glad to have someone to interact with. Basically, I have periodically taken the building from a few different angles. I use a point and shoot digital so my night time view is not the highest quality, but it provides some variety. I think we should revert to 2-4 pics in the article and could live with 8 in the gallery, but think by the time the thing gets big 12 may be more appropriate. I suffer from the conflict of choosing from among my own pictorial work while not a trained photographer. I feel you have chosen the best 4. If you were to add 7 back (4 to the gallery and 3 to the article) which ones would they be. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 00:44, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

If you ratify the picture usage decision, please add a comment on the talk page to show stronger consensus. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 14:20, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

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—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Smithcool (talk • contribs) 13:04, 21 June 2007 (UTC).

Galena, IL image

I've going to extend good faith and assume you didn't see my response before reverting my changes to the image, but I would ask that you revert yourself. Right now, the image is a copyright violation/infringement and will be deleted as you do not have the right to release it into the public domain. Please do so as soon as possible. - auburnpilot talk 05:44, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Nice work...

		The Original Barnstar
		For being "The" editor on this important page over a long and continuing period of time, for bringing vast improvement and additions, for maintaining that quality in the face of a permanent invasion of poor quality edits, and taking the initiative in getting consensus on the talk page between numerous editors with divergent views. Long appreciated - keep it up. Merbabu 14:08, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Block warning

And how long will you block me for, kind sir? I have allies, you know, who will continue my work. As a matter of fact, they are "editing" your work now. Ta Ta!- CTUBauer —Preceding comment was added at 18:00, 8 July 2007

Stub vs. Start

The article is a stub in my mind. It has only about 1250 characters in the lead and the two text sections. It might not even be WP:DYK eligible which sets the hurdle at 1500 characters to rise above stub status. --TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 17:07, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

There are a lot of 2500 character articles I still class as stubs, but 1500 is a bare minimum.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 17:15, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: Pshychiatry

What I have written is explained in the source I have cited.

One important point is that in this site what has to been written should be conform to the reality.

Now I have not written anything that is not real, or fictional or a thing of soap opera.

If you have any reason why what I have written should be removed, please cite the reason.

And that you think that anti-psychiatry is the correct place to put criticism, this does not mean that this is the true. And if this would be true than the same should apply to Astrology.

Sorry, I am busy now, I will respond to your question later. -- AnyFile 17:58, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I can agree that some sentences I have written are not very clear. I will try to rewrite them more clearly.

Anti-psychiatry should deal only about the movement so called (if it exists a movement so called, as far as I know there are many movement, that for different reasons, have found problems in the psychiatry theory/behaviour..

Actually what I would consider more useful is not a section under the page psychiatry that talk about the criticism, but that at every sentences where what is said is consider in such a way only by a restricted group of people, this should be stressed. The fact that this group of people have made many effort to convince people that their believe are true, so that many people actually believe them as true, this make this statement true.

For instance:

Psychiatric inpatients are people admitted to a hospital or clinic to receive psychiatric care.

Now a real encyclopaedia should state what people receive when admitted in the hospital, not what psychiatrists want us to believe.

For example one point that should be said is that the diagnosis is only based on the opinion of self-proclamated experts in the field, but nobody could oppose on their opinion, since there are no proof of what they state.

here I cannot explain you what a proof is, I think that, after many century science has tried to explain the need of proof to state a conclusion, it should already well known. Why the psychiatry thinks that it not need to give proves it is a good question, and a good explanation of what psychiatry is should include a warning on the danger it make, and among them there is the fact that decisions taken only on opinion often give problem and no benefit.

You have stated that what I have written is not included in the source. First of all let me say about the Italian source, what I have taken from it is only that the author of this book noted that in psychiatry there is the "strangeness" that every people who consult a psychiatrists is found to be ill, while the same do not apply to other branch of medicine. And he conclude that one reason for this is that the psychiatrists consider that the sole fact that a person has asked for psychiatric advise means that this person is ill.

About the Szasz book, I actually not sure that the one I have written is the one, among his books I have written, where it is well explained what I have tried to summarize. There is a study about the easiness how people can be declare mental ill because of the willing of their relative. There are example of that too : for instance there is an example of sons and daughters that make their mother declared mental ill and sent to asylium so that they can use her house and her money. Their is the example of one important politician of the United Stated of the late XIX century, who was able to divorce from his wife, declaring her having a mental illness (and in this way he kept the money of her wife).

Now I cannot understand how could you say that what I have written is not present in the sources.

Is it that the what I have written is not written inside a book that only say the psychiatric-true?

I would like to finish saying that I really can not understand what psychiatry is from the article. One reason could be that psychiatry is actually not clear. For instance if it is said that it is done to get well being, why psychiatrists often do harmful treatment that cause pain and no effect useful to the patients?

AnyFile 19:13, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to replay here again (I hope this is the last time). The real point is if on Wikipedia under the page Psychiatry should go what the psychiatry really is or what a group of people have interest to be believed?

To make clearer my point, the same question arise in many other situation. Think for example about what should be written about a tourist town where the pollution is high but the authority written in their papers that there the climate and the environment is beautiful and clean. Shall in the article be written so that it is stated that this town is high polluted or a paradise on the earth?

The example above is completely artificial, but the same question arise in many real circumstance, consider for instance the acupuncture or the homeopathy.

I can see the the description of the psychiatry and the acupuncture are deliberatively vague. (with the aim of restoring health and well-being).

I was not sarcastic. It is a real problem that people should consider the psychiatry as what psychiatrists want to be consider. (this is the official response I got from the health authority here where I live, the have answered me that they do not make any checks on what the psychiatrists are doing because they decide what is good and what is not). If the psychiatry is what is written in a book, then what happen if two books are written with two opposite things written on them? It is the same problem about book religiously believed to contain the truth (think for instance to the problem of the Earth moving around to Sun that was in contrast to what is written in the Bible).

I can seen that there are a lot of article stating that psychiatry is valid, but from that the only conclusion that can be logically taken is that a lot of articles have been written stating that, but we can not conclude that the psychiatry is valid. For examples a lot of articles have been written about the Philosopher's stone or the Luminiferous aether, but this do not make them real. -- AnyFile 09:05, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Ronald Reagan

I just wanted to check on the Ronald Reagan GA. It is rare to see a GA with a citation needed in the lead. However, it is so well cited elsewhere I would have difficulty contesting it on 2b. It was a very quick pass (about 4 hours after it was nominated). Can you just confirm it had a full evaluation because I like to make sure all GA and FA articles with a {{ChicagoWikiProject}} tag are all properly rated as such.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 22:49, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

references on Anti-Semitism

I deleted the references to Pat Buchann on the AS page as they seemed to me to be misleading opinions - 1 they referred to him as a right wing Republican - 2 they linked his critisim of US ME forgein as being too heavily influenced by concern for Israel's security with AS

These are both un-refrencable opinions and only serve to encourage the linkage of people who critize US forgein policy in the ME with regards to Israel as being anti-semitic - israel is a country - anti-semitism concerns people of a certain religion/heritage -

the edits I made should be restored or else the article edited to remove the bias that currently is being published

M —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.72.53.225 (talk) 03:36, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Bono GAN

Glad to see there are dedicated members on all aspects of Wikipedia, you being one of them. Considering the WP:GAC page is currently at an article collaboration drive, Bono was reviewed within I was happy to review the article several minutes after it was nominated. Good luck with the article, NSR77 ^T_C 02:01, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

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