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FULL NAME = Christopher Redfield

AGE = 25 ( in 1998)

HEIGHT = 5'11

WEIGHT = 177

GENDER = male

BOODTYPE = O

SIGN = Sagittartius

SIBLINGS = younger sister Claire

HAIRCOLUR = brown-reddish

EYECOLOUR = blue, hazel. They become a dark brown, or brown when light does not hit them


In the article it says that Redfield is from New York does anyone have a source that is proof that hes from New York??

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[edit] {{General CVG character}}

This article is currently a testbed for a unified computer/video game character infobox, {{General CVG character}}. It uses a series-specific subbox, {{Resident Evil characterbox}}.

Input on this infobox would be appreciated; note that the addition of things that would be obvious to readers unfamiliar with Resident Evil (such as what series is involved and the series' creator) is intentional. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 07:01, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

The "relatives" and "occupation" section in the box are the wrong way around. I looked at the code but it seemed ok in the source. Could anyone have a look at this? (FSME (talk) 14:12, 6 February 2008 (UTC))

[edit] Official backstory for Chris

I have added this selection because the novels by Hiroyuki Ariga and Capcom, were his complete background and the novels are official. (there's more than one book in the series, and they are from Hong Kong.) The background was created for Chris before they had introduced him in the first original Resident Evil video game, and used for the conception of what type of character Chris would be. As for Chris being from New York, I have no idea if he was. I like to say he was, but with no resources to back this ideal up, I have removed it. - *.:.`ShadowFox` S.T.A.R.S..:.* 20:32, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

You need to prove this is canon, or it shall be removed. The S D Perry novels are official too, they're just not canon - there's a difference between something being official and canon. I can't see there being a difference between an English Perry novelization, and an Asian Hiroyuki Ariga novel, I know Perry and Hiroyuki both mention Billy Rabbitson. And isn't Hong Kong in China?? Parjay 07:50, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Actually the Hiroyuki Ariga novel (Biohazard: The Beginning) was originally a portion of a book titled The True Story behind Biohazard, which contains an interview with Shinji Mikami about the development of the game (very informative). The Biohazard Archives states that the novel is no longer canon due to contradictions with later games in the series. Jonny2x4 06:45, 23 December 2006 (UTC)


Pity that it is, (it was really hard to find a reliable source to prove this) because it would great to add to the page, however it's no longer accurent. For now, I will just display the information on here for those to view. According to the book Chris was 20 yrs. old when his parents passed and Claire was 15 yrs. old (1993) when their parents died. Here's a second source of information from the book that a forum had featured on their site, http://bbs.chinabroadcast.cn/read.php?tid=109739] which also confirms Chris' and Claire's parents' deaths. The book talks about events that happened before Resident Evil 1. (Original):

"Chapter One: Resident Evil

Chris: Whenever the phone rings in the middle of the night. I know someone's dead who wasn't dead the day before. Happens all the time. Except when it's a wrong number. Like this totally drunk woman who thought I was her long lost lover. Or the idiot who tied up my line with a long monologue in Portuguese.

I've had this late-night fear of the phone for five years now, ever since a state police chaplain called me at two a.m. to tell me my parents were dead. Their vacation van had been crushed by a runaway big rig. The coroner had to ID them through dental records, they were mangled so bad." *.:.`ShadowFox` S.T.A.R.S..:.* 17:58, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

I have removed the trivia section. Some other way should be found of working it into the article. I have preserved it here in case someone wishes to do so. Perhaps a new charaterization/personality section for the inclusion of the info about the smoking and such? Showers 21:35, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Chris was originally characterized as a cigarette smoker as seen in uncensored version of the live-action footage used in the original uncut version of Resident Evil. Due to SCEA's strict policy against depiction of tobacco use, all scenes that featured Chris were edited. Chris has a lighter in his default equipment in the GameCube version of the game (which he had to obtain separately in both the original and Resident Evil Code: Veronica).
  • The Made in Heaven jacket that Chris wears is based on actual military jacket that bears the exact same slogan and logo (an angel surrounded by bombs). -
  • In Resident Evil 2, the Made in Heaven jacket can be seen by his desk. Also, there is a guitar, car posters, and marksman trophies that can be seen. -
  • Chris's police ID is 738. -
  • Chris is the first Resident Evil character gamers are introduced to. He features on the original cover, in the opening promo clip, and he narrates the intro video. -
  • Chris plays a part in Resident Evil, Resident Evil 2 (Extreme Battle mode), Resident Evil 3: Nemesis (Epilogue), Resident Evil: Code Veronica, and the two upcoming games, Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles, and Resident Evil 5.

[edit] Restoration of "General references"

Doktor Wilhelm and I are apparently having a feud over a reference section that I added to this article (as well as several other RE-related articles) last week. The reference section contains scripts and file transcripts from RE games verify all the in-universe details within the article. Certain links, such as ReHorror.net and UGO.com (which is an actual website) specifically offer individual profiles for Resident Evil characters, as well as official plot summaries (RE Digest files from RE:UC). I already presented my case Wilhelm and AIN that the links within the reference section comply with WP:Cite, WP:RS, and WP:EL, while also preventing the article from being deleted per WP:A. As suggested by an administrator on AIN, it’s probably for the best we have a community discussion on discussion page. So, I ask, does anybody else have specific issue] with adding this reference section? --ShadowJester07 ► Talk 17:42, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

What you are adding is not References to the article, denoted by the fact that you feel a need to put them in a section seperate from references. What you are usuing is a list of external links, with out any attempt to use it to reference the actual content of the article! The way it is being set up by yourself is: "here's the whole plot/script to all the Resident Evil games, this chracter was in one of them"!  Doktor  Wilhelm  17:50, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
If they're references, surely they can just go in the existing references section? If they comply with Cite and RS, surely they can be used like any other reference? Geoff B (talk) 17:58, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
If the sites added are of reference to the characters article, then I'm sure that the addition of relevent ref/citation tags, etc, would show what content of the articles the references are for, otherwise it is just external links to game plot/script and character biography/details, and at the lest it should go there not under ==Notes== & then ==General references==!  Doktor  Wilhelm  18:05, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
It's really tedious to cite individual quotes from the script using in-line citations (See Final Fantasy VII#References, specifically ref #53). WP:CITE does not require references to use in-line citations as long they are properly annotated, and use something similar to the WP:CITET templates. Some FA articles, such as Chicago Board of Trade Building#References, use both Note and Reference sections. The reference section contains cites entire books, not just pages or lines. However, are you suggesting a combination of both sections a la the 2005 Texas Longhorn football team#Notes and references article? --ShadowJester07 ► Talk 18:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
But the point in fact is that you were not using the references to show points in the article (see Final Fantasy VII#References, that you qoute for how this is done), there is still the little number besides the reference and the same number is somewhere in the article, your list of links referenced nothing in the article! That is the point! Your links are just external links, not referenced within the articles!  Doktor  Wilhelm  19:16, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
WP:CITE does not say that a reference is needed to be placed after every statement - that would simply clutter a page. As I pointed out in another FA articles, stand alone sections like that are perfectly fine. The Texas Long Horn external links without in-line citations in its Reference section. --ShadowJester07 ► Talk 19:23, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Yes I know that "a reference is not needed to be placed after every statement", no-one is saying that it should be! but the references you are placing are external links and not references!  Doktor  Wilhelm  19:29, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
How are they not references? Articles use Online Game Books, which contain play-by-play notations, to verify a single players performance or accomplishments in a single game. Unless you can find a policy that directly states that there is something wrong with the link, then I am not doing anything wrong. You are not an authority on this encyclopedia and cannot remove material unless it violates Wikipedia's policies - not even admins can get away with that. I have defended my claims with respects to all the aforementioned policies. Unless you know of a specific rule that defines what a "reference" is on Wikipedia, and can explicitly state the section I am adding is not a "reference" you do not have a right to remove the content. --ShadowJester07 ► Talk 19:43, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Again: You are not using them to reference anything in the article, and they are either links to gameguides, nothing specific to the characters or they are links to Character Bios, which if anything should go into external links, as you are not referencing anything in the article with them, besides the article its self!  Doktor  Wilhelm  20:09, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

The links are not game guides, they are scripts, taken directly from the games. As I stated before, you have submitted no evidence whatsoever that disqualifies them as references. You have presented no evidence that dictates that all references must be wrapped in reference tags, where as I have shown you several well-written articles that contain stand-alone references to entire books, websites , or databases.

I have solely added the references to verify information within the article, with no other purpose. The links contain information that summarize each character's exact interactions, quotes, and actions directly within their respected games. The General references section is being used in a similar fashion to the Reference section from the Chicago Board of Trade Building, which uses 200+ page books to backup information. The section I added merely uses External links, which comply with WP:CITET.

You can deny that they may not verify the information within the article, but you cannot prove it, or justify their removal with any of Wikipedia's policies - your, or my own opinion on this matter is practically meaningless with jurisdiction from Wikipedia's policies. With this said, unless you can prove the links do not verify information within the article, or do not belong on Wikipedia per some legit policy, I do not see how you have legitimate case to remove the links to begin with. --ShadowJester07 ► Talk 20:25, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

And I do not see how you have legitimate case to add the links under the title "General references" to begin with. as you say "they are scripts, taken directly from the games", what relevence do they have to articles about characters besides to say: "here's the whole plot/script to all the Resident Evil games, this chracter was in one of them", they are external links (at the best), and not references!  Doktor  Wilhelm  20:39, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

As I pointed out to you, other articles have used entire books, databases, websites. WP:Cite does not says that I cannot use script to back up information. Furthermore, it does not clearly define what reference is, only to determine how reliable a reference is. For that matter, the back of a soda can could be used to verify information. And As I have stated before, you have not even presented any evidence to back up your claim. Whereas I have presented several articles that use a similar format, which have all recived FA-Status. If it is all right there to use a 300-page book to verify an article even tough five lines talk about the subject in question, I do not see how it cannot work here. Do you have any evidence to back up your claim - I've asked you this several times, because I think I know the answer. ;)

Unless you can specifically call me out on breaking a policy, I do not see what is wrong with these additions. --ShadowJester07 ► Talk 21:00, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

This is pointless argument, plese do not add the links back unless it's as external links. The articles you use as examples do not show any reason why an addition of General references is needed to these articles! You repeated comments prove nothing of why it should be added, I have stated (repeatedly) why it should not be! I repeat:
You (ShadowJester07) do not use script to back up information, instead you (ShadowJester07) are adding in links to "scripts, taken directly from the games" that have no bearing on the chracters articles other than to show that "here's the whole plot/script to all the Resident Evil games, this chracter was in one of them", and that doesn't help reference ther article in any way shape or form, if you (ShadowJester07) can point out the key parts of the article that the links reference, they should go in a External links section, if at all...
I am getting bored of having to repeat myself, every time you reapeat a pointless argument for includding the links in the articles! This is ment to be an open discussion after One on One discussion and contacting Admins (which you started) has not reached a conclussion to your liking, so please just leave it as such, we both know each others views on the subject, and this is getting us no where (while some of the articles in question are set to be deleated!!!).  Doktor  Wilhelm  22:02, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

You are only stating your opinion on the matter. You cannot even verify that I am doing anything wrong - thats the matter of this fact. I see your point of view in this, but you have not brought up any points of evidence to backup the claim that I cannot use those links on Wikipedia. None of the Admins even bothered to address this issue, not leave write me up for breaking a specific policy. So, If an admin did not bother stopping me from adding the content, why should you be allowed to - especially since you have provided no legitimate evidence (ex polices or quotes from other admins), you have no proof that I am doing anything wrong. Your opinion is not enough Either show me a policy that I violating or sit on your hands. If authorities in real life cannot stop someone from doing something perfectly legal, I doubt someone could on Wikipedia.

Not that it matters now anyway...--ShadowJester07 ► Talk 22:36, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Shadow Jester is correct in the fact that providing general references does not violate wikipedia policy. However, inline citations are far more preferable to having general citations as general citations often prevents an article from reaching GA or FA status. It's better for the references in question to be put in a inline format. Showers (talk) 00:21, 22 January 2008 (UTC)