Talk:Casual game

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[edit] Suggestion for Cleanup

  • Casual games are often not free. Many of them have free and limited demo versions, but (as mentioned in the article) a lot of them do have a non-free deluxe version. Those are not free (for example you won't say Macromedia Flash is free because it has a limited demo version). Anything about casual games being free should be removed from this article.
  • A list of casual games would become too long, I suggest to have it removed. At the time I'm writing this, there must be already over hundred casual games, and every week new ones are released. Notables are rightfully displayed.
  • Would be helpful if there was as much of a list of mmo casual games.

[edit] Nowadays

  • someone should write a bot to remove the word "nowadays" from all wikipedia articles. Luvcraft 23:10, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup

Removed common games for which there are no wikipedia articles:

  • Magic Ball
  • QBeez 2
  • Wild Serengeti[1]
  • Snowy

and somewhat nonsensical:

===Distribution channels===
There are two distribution channels on the I-net for casual games industry. They are the developers and publishers. In contrast to video games publishers publishers in the casual games industry are responsible for publishing the developed games at their website, marketing and advertising. In that case publishers act as the casual game vendors that obtain their goods from a producer.

And this, basically a reiteration of the concept of shareware:

A large percentage of casual games are distributed on the “try-before-you-buy” basis, i.e. the player downloads a trial (evaluation) feature-limited version of the game for free. During this period he plays the game, yet he has a limited access to the features of the game.

More remains to be done, please take your time as I may not be able to. Arru 13:37, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Snake

This article lacks any mention of one of the most popular casual mobile phone games ever - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_(video_game)

[edit] WP:SPAMHOLE

The state of the external links in this article is awful. Almost every edit in the past month (and there have been a lot of edits in the month before mine has been to add a link of some type.

Perhaps (if there actually is anyone watching this article, as I am from this point on) we should strongly consider Template:Dmoz and then Template:NoMoreLinks afterwards? I am unfamiliar with DMOZ, but I might have to have a look at it tomorrow and try doing something about those links, maybe. Unless someone more experienced with spam is around? --Dreaded Walrus 09:50, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Redirect

Why does Oberon Media redirect here? --Cuddly Panda 12:59, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of notable casual games

The list is a list of notable casual games. If something has an article on Wikipedia, it is usually because it is notable. If you feel that a game is not notable, then feel free to nominate it for deletion. Therefore, the list of notable games should contain only games that have articles (as opposed to redlinks), and that should be the criteria for inclusion, rather than games that have had an "impact" on the casual games industry. How do we define having an impact, anyway? How do we know that "Super Collapse! 3", a game with about 85,200 Google results has had more of an impact on the industry than Hattrick, a game with around 1,000,000 users, that has spawned spin-offs which in themselves are notable, such as battrick? It's subjective for us to determine which games have had an impact and which haven't.
So, to summarise: The list should include notable casual games, i.e. casual games with articles. If you feel that a game with a game with an article is not notable (as you seem to suggest here), then feel free to send it to WP:AfD as non-notable. --Dreaded Walrus t c 14:08, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of notable casual games

Notable in this article does not equal notable as defined by wikipedia, but notable as in notable in the casual game industry. For example, Hattrick is not even in the casual game industry as defined in the article.

I have clarified this in notes. As well, cleaned up the list so it is more evident of its purpose.

I believe Jay Is Games should be linked from here as it is a notable collection of only the best casual games.

[edit] Alawar Entertainment notability

Alawar Entertainment appears to be quite notable in Eastern Europe, and seems to have created or partnered in the creation of games for some of the other notable game publishers. There is a Russian Wikipedia article on Alawar. Anyone able to help translate or create an English Alawar Entertainment article from scratch? Otherwise may be ok to delete? --Chikinsawsage 01:13, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Card battle games

Are these considered casual games? SharkD 01:52, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merger with Casual gamer

Yes to merge. This is a natural merge as there is no special content in Casual Gamer and these articles clearly address the same thing. Hadrianheugh 14:46, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Let's merge the two. Frankatca (talk) 20:20, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
I also agree. I think "Casual gamer" should be the article that survives. A casual game can be any kind of game -- action, puzzle, adventure -- that targets a casual gamer. 130.63.182.217 (talk) 19:12, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
I disagree. Casual Games should describe the games. While Casual Gamer should describe the audience. For example, it is the difference between "Videogames" and "Gamer". They are too different things.JulianB12 (talk) 14:20, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
That's not really the issue. Of course they're two different things. But they both basically refer to the same content. Casual gamers are people who play casual games. Casual games are designed for casual gamers. The definitions are totally circular -- they belong together. Compare that to your example: video games and gamers -- gamer has a special meaning beyond just someone who plays video games (e.g.: hardcore gamer, power gamer, tabletop gamer). 130.63.182.217 (talk) 17:22, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
oppose. the casual gamer article doesn't refer to the target audience of web-based browser games (and possibly other very simple games), which this article seems to be talking about. it refers to the subjective (video-game) cultural term i.e the opposite of hardcore gamer. the term is used in the context of various games not limited to the 'casual games' described here; the two types of gamers co-exist in various games, again of course not limited to the 'casual games' described here. both the casual gamer and hardcore gamer articles are currently very OR-ish; the former in particular is a badly written, non-NPOV pile of crap. however, the term 'casual gamer' and 'casual game', as they are described in the respective articles, are not directly related. Bridies (talk) 16:27, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
No merge. I disagree with the target article. This should be used to expand the discussion at Video game#Demographics. Ham Pastrami (talk) 22:15, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
No merge. Casual games and casual gamers are actually very different even though they both have "casual" in their names and casual gamers can play casual games. Casual games encompass that section of games that have non-complex control systems, are easy to pick up and put down, require only small spurts of time commitment to reach some sort of reward/goal, and are generally distributed through internet portals (although this distribution is expanding a bit). Casual gamers, on the other hand, are not defined as players that play casual games. Yes, some casual gamers do play casual games. However, the general idea of a casual gamer (not sure there is really a cut-and-dry definition) is a gamer who often does play on a semi-regular basis and perhaps plays a variety of games across multiple genres as well, but does not spend any real huge time commitment even though the time commitment can certainly be greater than that associated with the players of casual games. This is as opposed to "hardcore" gamers who spend a considerable amount of time on one or more games on a regular basis such that they often reach some sort of expert status with relation to some of the games they play. So, in short, casual games and casual gamers are not one in the same and to be a casual gamer does not mean you play casual games. So although I do think that the two articles could use some cleaning up, they should not be merged. NinSage (talk) 14:35, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] How to recognize casual games?

I was wondered if this flash games platform is to be considered as 'casual games' list or there are different kinds of casual games? Java? Flash? etc... Tnx! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.117.134.177 (talk) 09:49, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

It's pretty much impossible to recognize a casual game. It's always the subject of a dispute. Really, it's a question of whether it's played by casual gamers or not. Some games are targeted at that audience by being lower budget, with shorter play-times. 130.63.104.98 (talk) 15:47, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Web 2.0 Casual Games creation tools

Web 2.0 technologies are facilitating the development of simple online tools for creating and sharing casual games collaboratively and competetively. One instance of this is www.Gamebrix.com. The simplicity and power of these new tools combined with the social networking aspects of the Gamebrix portal may portend significant advances in the number of people empowered to create and publish casual games, until recently restricted to serious programmers with considerable programming skills, i.e. ActionScript, PHP, C++, Java, etc.

How best (or whether) to note in the Wikipedia Casual Game article the development of new, possibly paradigm shifting, web 2.0 technologies by a commercial company is an issue that needs consideration by Wikpedians interested in keeping this article up to date. Frankatca (talk) 20:18, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Recentism

Casual games existed long before computers. Noughts and crosses and Hangman are obvious early examples. I plan to rewrite the lede to generalise the topic. Colonel Warden (talk) 09:57, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

This article is also flawed in the sense that all early video games of the 1970s/1980s would certainly be considered 'casual games' by today's standards (i.e. 'Space Invaders', 'Asteroids', 'Pac-Man', etc.), and yet they receive no mention here (except for Tetris). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeema (talk • contribs) 01:42, 15 April 2008 (UTC)