Talk:Canada's grand railway hotels
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[edit] Not-so-grand railway hotels
The title of this article predicates against various important railway hotels, which were either small or no longer exist (some, like Glacier House, were pretty large). North Bend, Balfour, Sicamous and other locations in BC had really nice hotels; not "grand" but still high-quality and o architectural interest; similarly there were railway hotels/resorts on the PGE......what would be a good name for "Canada's lesser railway hotels" as an article?Skookum1 (talk) 21:42, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
- That's a good question. There is already some information on them at Canadian Pacific Hotels, but that doesn't include early hotels associated with other railways. Part of me would say expand the scope of this article, but then again, it's good to have an article that focuses strictly on a type of large hotel for which Canada is known. Would "Canada's original railway hotels" work? Skeezix1000 (talk) 21:54, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
- "Original" wouldn't seem to work; it would include the Banff Springs and Empress, for instance. Canada's railway hotels seems a bit bland but the "grand" ones could easily have a section with a "main" template referrign to them. Also, some like those on the PGE weren't owned by the railway, though certainly patronized by railway staff at times - a shifting definitino perhaps as those in Newport/Squamish weren't by the station as farther up the line; Cheekeye Lodge, Garibaldi Lodge, Alta Lake Hotel, Rainbow Lodge, Pemberton Hotel, Birkenhead Hotel, Anderson Lake Lodge, McGillivray Falls Lodge, Seton Portage Hotel, Bridge River Hotel (a "grand" hotel, of sorts, at Shalalth House), Shalalth Lodge, Seton House, Retaskit Lodge and Craig's Lodge (a five-star tennis resort) is about it, not sure about farther up the line (Lillooet's in-town hotels wouldn't count, even though the Reynolds was built as a result of the line's relocation through town). Rainbow Lodge, Bridge River Hotel and Craig Lodge would all warrant articles, can't really say for the others. Deos "railway hotel" have to mean owned/operated/built by a railway?Skookum1 (talk) 22:03, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
- Personally, I don't think they have to be owned: being built alongside railways would qualify them as railway hotels, for me anyway, in the same way that airport hotels aren't owned by airports. And the lead of such an article could make that clear. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:09, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
- Still it's a tricky definition, and railway hotels weren't always by the line (e.g. the Hotel Vancouver and Lake Louise - railway-owned is hte key wording) and a distinction has to exist between those already there adn those built because of the line and the station in question; and in bigger centres like Vancouver and Kamloops you just cant' list them, there's too many; other than those right across the street I guess, but in most towns in BC the railway is right along hte street; around both the CP Station (now Waterfront Station and CN station (Pacific Central Station) there are collections of hotels built specifically for rail travellers; I stayed in some no longer there on Cordova at Seymour/Granville, years ago, and the Ivanhoe, Cobalt and American are still adjacent to Pacific Central (but I wouldn't stay in them, except maybe the Ivanhoe - now a hostel - if I had to; the American's condemned for habitation, as a matter of fact). And so "town" hotels can't really count, wehther it's Vancouver or Mission or Revelstoke; most commercial centres along the transcontinental lines in BC and the Prairies came into existence because of the rail line; e.g. the Bellevue and Astor hotels in Mission were, like the whole town, built as part of a real sstate promotion and are right by the station; but I wouldndt' consider them railway hotels in teh same was as the Sicamous Hotel, Fraser Canyon House or the Balfour Bay Hotel. Re the resorts/hotels along the PGE line, I guess the Reynolds would ahve to qualify, since as noted it was built specifically because of the station (then a ways out of town); but the old Lillooet Hotel, like the Clinton Hotel, though right by the tracks, pre-dated the line. In a way, Harrison Hot Springs, too, is a railway hotel because it was birthed by the opening of hte CPR and was the main reason for a stop in that area right into the automotive era. The minor CPR hotels seem in a category of hteir own; unless the GTP and CNR also had some, mebbe so. So on the one hand we've got hte definition to work out, and then a good title; but its' worth doing and there's pd pics avaialble.Skookum1 (talk) 03:30, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
- Personally, I don't think they have to be owned: being built alongside railways would qualify them as railway hotels, for me anyway, in the same way that airport hotels aren't owned by airports. And the lead of such an article could make that clear. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:09, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
- "Original" wouldn't seem to work; it would include the Banff Springs and Empress, for instance. Canada's railway hotels seems a bit bland but the "grand" ones could easily have a section with a "main" template referrign to them. Also, some like those on the PGE weren't owned by the railway, though certainly patronized by railway staff at times - a shifting definitino perhaps as those in Newport/Squamish weren't by the station as farther up the line; Cheekeye Lodge, Garibaldi Lodge, Alta Lake Hotel, Rainbow Lodge, Pemberton Hotel, Birkenhead Hotel, Anderson Lake Lodge, McGillivray Falls Lodge, Seton Portage Hotel, Bridge River Hotel (a "grand" hotel, of sorts, at Shalalth House), Shalalth Lodge, Seton House, Retaskit Lodge and Craig's Lodge (a five-star tennis resort) is about it, not sure about farther up the line (Lillooet's in-town hotels wouldn't count, even though the Reynolds was built as a result of the line's relocation through town). Rainbow Lodge, Bridge River Hotel and Craig Lodge would all warrant articles, can't really say for the others. Deos "railway hotel" have to mean owned/operated/built by a railway?Skookum1 (talk) 22:03, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
