Talk:Camazotz

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I've added a few sentences to the bizarre suggestion that L'Engle used the term Camazotz in relation to the Mayan cult when she wrote her children's novel. I recently found this claim in an "academic" book about L'Engle and wondered where it came from. So I Googled it, and now I know. Too bad it's not cited; I'd hardly count this unacknowledged claim as scholarship. I've added the more popular explanation.----Megan

[edit] plagiarism vs. sources

This article involves possible plagiarism. From this site:

Around 100 B.C., a peculiar religious cult grew up among the Zapotec Indians of Oaxaca, Mexico. The cult venerated an anthropomorphic monster with the head of a bat, an animal associated with night, death, and sacrifice (1). This monster soon found its way into the pantheon of the Quiché, a tribe of Maya who made their home in the jungles of what is now Guatemala. The Quiché identified the bat-deity with their god Zotzilaha Chamalcan, the god of fire.

Notice a resemblance? Which article came first? I don't know. Anyway, I thought I'd let you all know. --jenlight 12:14, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I found this site which has actual citations. The above quote appears there as well. Gotta love the internet... . Cut n' paste. Cut n' paste. Repeat as desired. --jenlight 12:25, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Based on the article history, I'd say the passage re Zapotec in the article is a more-or-less direct lift from one of the others, it was added in this series of edits by an anon [1], right down to copying the (1) footnote marker. Since then a couple of words may have changed, but clearly not enough.

In any event, IMO just about the entire article is laden with error and mis-interpretation, and those two sources you've found are not all that much better either. It really needs to be rewritten from scratch, and using more authentic sources than those websites.--cjllw | TALK 03:40, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I have to agree. Maybe if I find the time... which I won't. --jenlight 03:59, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't know if this adds any resonance to this page, but for the popular culture section, Camazotz is the title of a bat monster in the mass-multiplayer online role-playing game "Final Fantasy XI." Here is a link to a small profile page.

http://monsters.ffxi-atlas.com/monsters/?id=3783

Cheers