Talk:Book of Ruth

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I also moved around a few lines and moved the section on Jewish and Christian views to the end of the article. This will hopefully make the article less focussed on a christian perspective.

RGW 01:30, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Monday, May 1, 2006

I believe that any concerns stated in regard to the article have been addressed.

Saturday, April 29, 2006,

Thank you for your comments regarding the significance of the book to Jews. I have added your note to my article. As the Hebrew Bible is most significant to Jews and Christians I have added the note to clarify that although important to both, each has their own perspective. The last paragraph makes it clear that the comment is directed towards a Christian perspective -- who also hold the book dear.

I agree about the last paragraph specifically, and much of the article is also biased towards Christian interpretation. In many ways, most of what Christians and Jews would draw from the text would be the same, but drawing lessons for the meaning of Jesus's life to Christians is irrelevant to Jews, so it must be made clear that the book of Ruth has a unique significance to Jews. In particular, Ruth is celebrated as a convert to Judaism who understood Jewish principles and took them to heart. This book is dear to the hearts of Jews who are Jews-by-choice. -- slb 4/27/06

The very last paragraph on this page has a distinct Christian bias. Dreadpiratetif 17:04, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Thursday, April 27, 2006

The article was updated. The research with bibliography and article were completed for a course at Acadia Divinity College and includes material from previous article.

I removed:

The author of this book was thought to be Samuel according to Jewish tradition. However, modern Biblical scholars believe that this book was written to protest the ethnic cleansing policies prevalent during the restoration of the Kingdom of Judah under the domination of the Persian Empire. During that time, there was a strong movement to expel all peoples who were deemed not to have a sufficiently Jewish ancestry to prevent a reemergence of the perceived pollution of foreign faiths that brought God's wrath on the nation.

The book opposed that attitude by trying to illustrate that foreigners can be just as faithful as any Jew to the point where they must surely have God's favour if their descendants can include such chosen ones as David.

Because RK removed the same exact (or exceedingly similar) section from Ruth, and Danny agreed that the section should be rewritten (I think). In any case, whatever is the result at Talk:Ruth should apply here too, and these two articles should maybe be integrated? Tuf-Kat

I agree. These two articles should be merged. RK 14:43, Jul 5, 2004 (UTC)

Contents 1 Ruth's sister's name 2 Why the {} sign/s? 3 WP Saints? 4 Cleanup required 5 Storyline 6 Chilion vs. Kilion 7 Date of the book of Ruth 8 R.K. Phillips 9 Wajdi's Vandalism

[edit] Ruth's sister's name

Isn't Ruth's sister's name spelled "Orpah" in English? (I believe most English Christian Bibles since KJV use that spelling.) Or is that a Christian mistake? -- Mpolo 16:00, Sep 11, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Why the {} sign/s?

Why were one or more of these sign/s: {{NPOV}}{{expansion}}{{Cleanup}} signs placed on this page without any discussion, explanation or reasoning? (And why create a redundant category Category:Bible stories that is now up for a vote for deletion at Wikipedia:Categories for deletion#Category:Bible stories?) IZAK 07:05, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] WP Saints?

Per the discussion at Talk:Book of Joshua, I will remove the "Saints" project template here, as The Book of Ruth is not really a saint topic. Instead, I'll add a WP Bible template. Information about Ruth the person should be its own article. Alekjds ^talk 20:47, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps it should be it's own article, but at this point it isn't. As such, the only biographical information available on this historical personage and saint is to be found here. When the article on Ruth is created, though, the banner would clearly be more appropriate there. John Carter 23:47, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup required

The article jumps into discussions of controversy about authorship and themes before it tells what the text /story actually IS. There is only 1 inline citation making verifiability nearly impossible - as it stands, the article appears mostly Original Research.207.69.137.11 16:05, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Storyline

Isn't it the general standard for articles on books and other texts to have a synopsis of the text? I have been familiar with the book since young childhood, so I know what happens, but I'd be lost if I weren't familiar with it. For example: who are Elimelech and the son born to Naomi? If I didn't know the text, I'd have no clue that it was her late husband and her grandson whom she effectively adopted. Nyttend (talk) 21:15, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

I've just added a synopsis. It should have links in it (e.g. for levirate marriage) but I've no idea how to do that. I hope the synopsis is clear to someone who doesn't know the story - feel free to make it better!

Well, better get back to work! KMcA (talk) 20:55, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

I've expanded the synopsis a little to note the use of the word "redeemer" (the Themes section rightly notes that redemption is a major theme of the book), and to note also the genealogy of David with which the book ends. Please feel free to change tis if you think it's not quite right. PiCo (talk) 14:11, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Chilion vs. Kilion

"Chilion" is the spelling used in the 18th-century edited version of the King James Version, which is pretty much the traditional standard for spelling names of Biblical fgures in the English language, so that spelling should be used here, unless there's a very specific reason for using a diffewrent spelling. AnonMoos (talk) 06:58, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Date of the book of Ruth

I removed a final clause from the "Date" subsection which said that most scholars place the book before the Babylonian period. In fact most scholars put it in the Persian period (post-Exilic). PiCo (talk) 03:58, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] R.K. Phillips

There was a line in the authorship section putting forward the possibility that Ruth was an Israelite. This is quite a contention, since the text explicitly says she's a Moabite. The authority given was an R.K. Phillips - the only person by that name I can find on the WWW is the pastor of some small church somewhere in America - in other words, not a notable source. So I'm deleting this line. PiCo (talk) 03:20, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wajdi's Vandalism

Someone (presumably named Wajdi) at the IP 151.204.66.15 changed the text in four places, changing one instance each of the names Naomi, Ruth, Obed, and Jesse to Wajdi. It has been fixed, but it was recent so it might recur. Smw543 (talk) 22:01, 17 March 2008 (UTC)