Talk:Batman: The Long Halloween

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Contents 1 Batman Begins 2 Identity Unknown 3 I'm a tad confused... 4 Holiday link

[edit] Batman Begins

I'd like to see references to the idea that "Batman: The Long Halloween" had anything to do with Batman Begins (except that Christopher Nolan was reading way too many Batman trade paperbacks). There's nothing from the story arc in the movie. -Acjelen 04:56, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

• It was from the IMDb trivia section for Batman Begins. Although I agree, I didn't see much of the comic in the movie. CanadianCaesar 21:41, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

There's a lot of doubtful stuff on that IMDb trivia page. If the quote is legit, I'm not sure what Mr. Goyer means by it. -Acjelen 22:41, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

I think it just means the style and tone of the comic is what inspired and was incorporated into Batman Begins, not necessarily a plot element. 64.53.130.241 16:15, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Identity Unknown

In the part of the story where two-face releases the rogue gallery, there is a panel shot of an opened cell with the sign "Identity Unknown." Who is this referring to exactly? 64.53.130.241 16:26, 15 March 2006 (UTC) Not that this is important anymore (or ever), but most likely the Joker. 75.153.231.20 06:54, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I'm a tad confused...

Okay, read through Long Halloween twice, still a bit confused. Who killed who? Who really is Holiday? Alberto confessed to the police, Gilda has a personal confession to the first three and says Harvey did the rest, Sofia did April Fools. What did Alberto do? Someone please help.

It is mostly accepted that Alberto commited about 95% of the killings. He was always distanced from his father, Carmine Falcone, and despite his top marks at Harvard and Oxford University, he could not fit into the family. Determined to win his father's acceptance, he obviously killed his cousin Johnny Vitti in the bathtub. I mean, even if she was Holiday, how could Gilda Dent have gotten past security to kill Johnny, gotten a gun and bullets, and knew pretty much everything about him??? Isn't Harvey supposed to keep criminal records away from her and the public, as it's confidental?

Then, the Irish gang is killed while sitting down to dinner. It is not possible for Gilda to have done this, since she was bedridden in the hospital after the gang attempted to blow up Harvey in the explosion in issue one. Some may think that it was an act of revenge, as they blew up her house and nearly killed her and Harvey. Next, Falcone's enforcer and (although faked) and Alberto are killed. Something tells me that Alberto did all the killings, save those of Falcone and Field by Dent. Gilda could be a victim of post-traumatic shock or schizophrenia, in which she is creating a confession in her mind. However, all the evidence that she could kill is not enough to verify her role, so Alberto (killed Maroni) and Two-Face are the real killers, although Two-Face might have been trying to blame somebody else when he said there were two Holiday Killers. -Jonathan.Bruce 05:36 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Alberto, not Harvey, killed Maroni. That is the only murder were the killer is 100% reviled as both Batman and Gordon witness the killing. 70.129.43.187 20:08, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay, Alberto killed everyone but Carmine, who was killed by Harvey. Two-Face's statement about two Holiday killers was interpreted properly by Batman (the scene where he kills Carmine is in Black and White, like a Holiday murder). If someone could write a statement in such a way as to not totally annoy Gildists and start an editing war, they should reference this webpage --- http://www.vacuumboy9.com/tlh/alberto.html. Read it and realise the truth. 68.145.128.30 (talk) 09:09, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Holiday link

I was wondering if the link for Holiday belongs there cuz it doesn't actually relate more than his M.O.