Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Who invented surfing

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. At the time of deletion, a badly written WP:OR essay with no sources. Sandstein 21:09, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Who invented surfing

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No references, cannot be verified; dubious. (Disputed prod. Note that it is copied from this at WikiAnswers - but not a copyvio.) -- RHaworth 06:46, 6 October 2007 (UTC)


  • Delete: If any of the information is verifiable it can be added to surfing (which appears a bit weak in its 'origins' section by only covering Hawaiian surfing). --Mkativerata 06:58, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete and put verifiable info into surfing per Mkativerata --Lenticel (talk) 07:15, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
    • Change to Merge editor seems to have references to back up his claims but would still be useful if sent to surfing. The article needs wikfying though.--Lenticel (talk) 13:57, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. I originally prodded this, probably was speedy candidate. The only thing close to a reference was in an edit summary; checking that out was a self-published paper that itself wasn't convincing. Original research, reads like an essay, take your pick, just delete it. By the way, two other articles with identical text and slightly different titles have already been deleted. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 08:10, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
    • Change to Merge. I think the author has given us some new sources which might have a bit of merit. Let's take the usable stuff and merge it into the "Origin" section of surfing. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 04:45, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete obviously not needed, content can be shortened and included in surfing. Pumpmeup 09:53, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete This does not satisfy Wikipedia:Attribution, a core policy, and has original research, to boot. The fact that two similar articles were deleted is probably reason enough to delete this. If, and when, it ever meets Wikipedia:Attribution and Wikipedia:No original research requirements, can it be re-created. --Solumeiras talk 10:13, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. Information about the history of surfing belongs in the main Surfing article, not in this essayish fork. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:13, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge relevant content into Surfing, then delete. NASCAR Fan24(radio me!) 13:41, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge and Delete per Mkativerata and others OZOO (What?) 16:44, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete essay, misplaced and misnamed. JJL 19:15, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge suggestion Having done some research on this now, the only net evidence supporting the claims in the article come from Peruvian travel and surfing sites (hardly neutral). I have found one neutral article which suggests 'some Peruvians insist...' surfing originated there. I suggest a para be added to the origins section of Surfing lead by 'Some Peruvians insist' or such-like, referenced by the article linked to above. Not enough verifiable evidence to support anything stronger. I'd also suggest History of surfing be merged into Surfing.--Mkativerata 21:58, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: Surfmac here and I really don't know the Wiki ropes but Henning http://www.surfrider.org/santabarbara/PagesMain/glen.html who started the non-profit Surfrider Foundation and has no known interest in Peru other than he likes the waves there. He has interviewed Dr. Thor Heyerdahl and written article and given a number of lectures on this theory. The archaeology is the oldest known evidence of surfing. This does not preclude another earlier "invention" but no other physical evidence exists. Sorry for being a Wiki-Idiot —Preceding unsigned comment added by Surfmac2004 (talk • contribs) 02:38, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Added Reference Sources: Glen Henning, Published Author and Founder of Non-Profits GroundSwell Society and SurfRider Foundation. Document: [1]Document: [2] Document: [3] Graphic, Pre-Columbian Peruvian Surfer:Image:Http://groundswellsociety.org/images/annualPub4cover.gif Graphic Pre Columbian Urn Peruvian Surfer: Image:Http://www.softsurfboards.com/oldsurfer.jpg DOcument:By Marcus Sanders for Surfing Magazine [4] Surfmac2004 23:18, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
I still believe that the article should be moved to a less ambiguous title (perhaps History of surfing) or merged into Surfing. And no, you're not a "wiki-idiot". We're all new here at one point. =) NASCAR Fan24(radio me!) 21:21, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
I second that, titles shouldn't ask questions. And Surfmac2004, we're not trying to remove your content - only shift it to a more appropriate location, as in within the Surfing article. --Pumpmeup 05:52, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Copyvio delete. - Appears to be a copyvio of www.softsurfboards.com/MadeInPeru.htm. - CobaltBlueTony 13:11, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
  • NOT A Copyvio. - I own this text and am donating it for use. www.softsurfboards.com/MadeInPeru.htm. - Surfmac2004 21:40, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
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      • from {{copyvio}} - CobaltBlueTony 14:16, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
        • Please don't bite Surfmac2004, he's barely more than a week old. Tell him how to fix this in his talkpage. I already raised some problems there but you might also help.--Lenticel (talk) 14:31, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
  • NOT A Copyvio. ** No similarity [http://www.waterwaystravel.com/peru/Chica.htmlSurfmac2004 21:40, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
    • Reply. The paragraph in your article that starts, "Background Glenn Hening, a high school history teacher by profession..." is a direct copy of a paragraph on this web page. - CobaltBlueTony 14:16, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
  • NOT A Copyvio. ** That text in not supposed to be in the article in question..It is a reference on this page for discussion purposes only. Being a new user I put it in the wrong place. It has been removed.Surfmac2004 15:11, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.