Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/UFC 77 (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. --Coredesat 05:50, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] UFC 77

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Another unsourced future UFC event. Crystalballing, no verifable information; precedent from several other AfDs. east.718 07:41, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

• d per nom. Already consensus (unanimous) to delete last time. Smite it again. -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 07:42, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. This article (and others "near" it) has been deleted and recreated three times this month already, and the same situation still applies. Indeed, in many ways, this article is of lower quality, and less referenced than some of the old versions. --Dreaded Walrus ^{t c} 07:57, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete and Salt if it keeps coming back, protect it from recreation. Totnesmartin 10:14, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

• It will be due an article at some point (relativity soon) so salting is inappropriate --Nate1481( ^t/_c) 09:22, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

• Keep itthis event is GOING TO HAPPEN. It has been announced on the UFC's broadcast of UFC 72 and UFC 73. It is important for MMA fans to be able to rely on Wikipedia to be able to guide them through upcoming events; however, if someone wants to give me some advice on the correct way to reference this so it won't be deleted. I see that some of the previous UFC events have been referenced by the UFC themselves. I referenced the verbal account of this event from a participant, Drew McFedries but obviously when the UFC themselves put out a press release, I understand that would be a better reference source. It is commonly known information for Mixed Martial Arts fans that this event will indeed occur on October 20, 2007 at US Bank Arena in Cincinnati, Oh and the main event is most definately Rich Franklin against Anderson Silva. This is commonly known and accepted information, it will indeed happen, and it needs to be kept on Wikipedia. It has been reported, and referenced to a website dedicated to MMA news, UFCJunkie.com I am, though, open to suggestions. I would like to help improve some of the content on Wikipedia but I want to do it in a way that satisfies the community. Thanks. --MrAdamNJ 09:20, 30 July 2007
• Delete Unreferenced and Crystalball Thesaddestday 15:21, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete: I'd advocate keep were this actually on the UFC schedule. According to the list of events on UFC's own website, it isn't. Barring official and verifiable information, this remains a WP:CRYSTAL violation however many UFC fans wish to be the first to scoop the Wikipedia audience on this. Folks, there is no hurry.  RGTraynor  16:35, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. There's not overmuch information out yet, but its existence and location are at least verifiable in this article in the Dayton Daily News (scroll down). -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 20:22, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete: The UFC could change the main event on the drop of a dime. It's 4 events away, and the UFC just recently talked about UFC 76's events. I agree - there is no hurry. I say keep it off until something if officially said by the UFC other than on PPVs. NasDestiny 04:03, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - an event is not a topic for an article. There is no notability to a future event that is a regular happening within a "sport". Should we have an article for the Super Bowl in 2025 because it will happen? Of course not; nor should this be an article. --Storm Rider ^(talk) 08:10, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

• Just for the record, we do have articles for numerous future sporting events. The subject of this article is much less speculative, for example, than Super_Bowl_XLV. That particular event is scheduled for a date in February of 2011, and the stadium in which it will be held hasn't even been built yet! For other examples, please see 2016 Summer Olympics, 2008 College World Series, and 2018 FIFA World Cup. In the past, precedent has always stated that an article for a future event can exist once verifiable information on that event is published. Given that information about location and participants is now starting to filter into the mainstream media in a citable form, there's no reason why this article shouldn't exist at the present time. -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 12:52, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

• Keep - Please look at the re-done version, and reconsider you decision to delete the page. Though it does not have too many facts about the event (mostly rumours), I refereced what is most likely known for the event. Honestly, it's just a matter of time before they release more information about this event, and with the quality of this article looking a lot better, I don't see the harm in keeping it up now. --ShadowSlave 20:44, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

The changes you made entirely had to do with rumors. Referenced or not, you can't use rumors. So as of now the page still is unsourced and crystal balling. Thesaddestday 23:29, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh okay, fair enough. Just throwing any hope for those who actually wanted the page up since I'm not exactly sure about all the article standards (like crystal-balling) though it is sourced, just not confirmed. --ShadowSlave 01:50, 8 August 2007 (UTC)