Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Seek & Destroy

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge and redirect. Though there is an argument that other Metallica songs exist on their own, this does not actually make this particular song notable enough for it's own article. Perhaps an example might be helpful here. John Keats, a principle poet of the Romantic movement, wrote many amazing poems, however not all deserve their own article. The article La belle dame sans merci is worthwhile having an article for, but it would probably not be reasonable to have an article on his poem "To a Cat", though it might be worthwhile mentioning it in the article John Keats. A similar principle exists in this case - the song is not notable enough for it's own article, but in a wider body of work (the album Kill 'em All) it is quite appropriate to provide information about it. - Ta bu shi da yu 13:45, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

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I prod'ed this on the grounds that there are no sources establishing its notability (aside from the fact that it was performed by Metallica, who are of course themselves notable). The prod was removed with the rationale that "this is one of Metallica's oldest and most frequently performed songs". Given that there are no sources indicating this - or anything else - I'm listing it at AfD. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 09:12, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

• Delete, unless sources asserting notability are provided. J Milburn 16:20, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
• delete Songs which lack independant sources about THEM should be redirected to the relevent albums, per wikipedia guidelines. With only a few exceptions, non-single tracks from albums usually lack the references around which to build an article, and this seems to clearly fit that mold. If enough independant source material can be provided, this may be keepable as an article. But not as it looks now. --Jayron32|talk|contribs 16:53, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - I'm not even a Metallica fan, I just found this page through Recent Changes. Since all of Metallica's songs have their own articles, this one should be no exception. Other artists who have articles for nearly all of their songs include Nirvana, Led Zeppelin, and The Beatles. I'd say that since Metallica has sold enough albums to be in this range, this article should be kept, or, if decided against, a redirect to Kill 'Em All. There is no reason to completely delete this page. -- Floaterfluss ^{(talk) (contribs)} 17:10, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Reply: WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a valid arguement. Merely because other substandard articles, which of their own right should also be deleted, exist on wikipedia does NOT mean that external, reliable sources magically appear. Without enough reliable sources, we cannot build a proper encyclopedia article in line with wikipedia policies and guidelines. As such, this article should be deleted. --Jayron32|talk|contribs 17:38, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep or merge and redirect without deleting as this song is relatively well-known and is from a major rock band. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 18:02, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
• Comment: If these songs are important and well known, how come no one has written about them in reliable sources? J Milburn 18:37, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
• Redirect to album Songs of notable artists which, by themselves, lack reliable sources don't necessarily have to be deleted. They can be redirected to the proper music album for reference, since people might search for them in Wikipedia or in other search engines. - Mtmelendez ^{(Talk|UB|Home)} 21:50, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
• delete or merge/redirect per noms above, this doesn't need its own page.JJJ999 02:18, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
• Redirect to album per Mtmelendez -- ALLSTAR ECHO 06:24, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. Other stuff exists is a valid argument because it establishes precedence. And this is an acclaimed and popular song ^[1] by one of the most popular bands of our time.

1. ^ Martin Popoff. The Top 500 Heavy Metal Songs of All Time. Ecw Press. 

• • All that other stuff existing establishes is that other stuff exists. It could just as easily show that nobody's AfD'd the other stuff yet. It could also just as easily show that all the other stuff that exists is of a substantially higher standard than the stuff which is being discussed. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 06:39, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
• Merge with album These song stubs should be merged in with the article about the album. if they get big enough then they should become their own article again. Vandalism destroyer 05:21, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep They play this song all the time on the local station 93X KXXR here and I am sure they do on many other rock radio stations. Metallica probablly plays this live on pretty much all of their shows and by all acounts this song is a heavy metal classic.--138.192.78.248 02:24, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
  • The problem with "probably" and "by all accounts" is that they need to be backed up by sources. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 06:13, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
    • In addition, note that the "AMG Top Track Pick" is only in relation to this album. There's no assertion that it's significant in relation to the rest of the band's songs. Just that this one has a tick next to it. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 06:15, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.