Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PokerTracker
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. KrakatoaKatie 10:11, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] PokerTracker
This is a two-sentence article for a nn "tool" which provides statistical analysis for people playing online poker. The article has the flavour of a spam entry, but I accept the author's assurance of no commercial interest in the software. However, even without a COI from the author, this software has no reliable sources to verify notability. B1atv 19:49, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
- Delete, not notable. Doesn't matter of author has a stake in the software or not. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 20:53, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
- Delete. I added a speedy tag before I noticed this was an afd instead of a prod. It's nothing but an advert so should be speedied, but absent that it's a product entry where the product itself is not notable. Online poker tracking software in general is notable, but there are many of these more or less interchangeable products and we don't need a couple sentence ad for each. 2005 21:51, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
- Comment. I really don't think this is blatant advertising - note that the tag says "which would require a complete rewrite". The advert tag is really meant for things that are full of fluffy ad-speak, not a one-line article about potentially non-notable software. I'm going to remove the tag because I really think this should just go through AfD for once. Also note that the G11 tag was already added once and removed. Natalie 22:25, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
- The tag actually says "blatant advertising", and it is not meant for only fluffy ad speak. It is meant for blatant advertising. The only text is the ad text, so db-corp or db-web could also be used to obviously merit speedy deletion. We can waste the time with an afd but this is about as clear as can be for a non-nonsense article. 2005 22:41, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
- How is "Poker Tracker is a computer program for Windows" blatant advertising? And A7 does not apply to software. A piece of software is neither a company nor a website. Natalie 23:20, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
- Two lines saying what a product is and a link to the product's webiste is an advert - and many an ad agency pay mega bucks for very similar adverts in newspapers, radio stations, television, posters, etc every day. What would you define as an advert? This article provides NO encyclopaedic information merely the briefest of descriptions and a link. Three editors have independently flagged this for CSD today. If A7 doesn't apply to software, only a company or a website, then I think some lateral thinking is called for. This "software" is available from a company via a website. At what point does online resources cease to be a website? B1atv 23:36, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
- Two lines may be an advert, but it's not that blatant. CSD is basically for articles that are so obviously inappropriate or damaging to the encyclopedia that they should be removed as soon as possible. This doesn't seem that obvious to me. And anyway, if the AfD result is delete, you can delete any further recreations of the article immediately, no questions asked. Natalie 23:46, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
- Two lines saying what a product is and a link to the product's webiste is an advert - and many an ad agency pay mega bucks for very similar adverts in newspapers, radio stations, television, posters, etc every day. What would you define as an advert? This article provides NO encyclopaedic information merely the briefest of descriptions and a link. Three editors have independently flagged this for CSD today. If A7 doesn't apply to software, only a company or a website, then I think some lateral thinking is called for. This "software" is available from a company via a website. At what point does online resources cease to be a website? B1atv 23:36, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
- How is "Poker Tracker is a computer program for Windows" blatant advertising? And A7 does not apply to software. A piece of software is neither a company nor a website. Natalie 23:20, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
- The tag actually says "blatant advertising", and it is not meant for only fluffy ad speak. It is meant for blatant advertising. The only text is the ad text, so db-corp or db-web could also be used to obviously merit speedy deletion. We can waste the time with an afd but this is about as clear as can be for a non-nonsense article. 2005 22:41, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
- Comment. It's extremely notable to its target audience, is a source of controversy in the multi-billion dollar internet gaming industry, and is discussed ad infinitum on internet poker forums. That being said, the article as written is terrible. Consuelo D'Guiche 23:59, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
- It has virtually nothing to do with that controversy since any one of several similar types of software could have been used. It's relationship to the controversy is trivial. What is notable is "online poker tracking software" (shich is covered in the encyclopedia), not this one brand of it. 2005 06:21, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
- Sorry for being dense, but I can't find online poker tracking software, I've searched in a few different ways and even googled it to no avail. Edgriebel 19:56, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
- Delete as a major contributor to the Poker project and an online poker player, I would consider myself to be a part of its target audience. I also consider 2005 to be a part of the project as he too is a major contributor to the WikiPoker project. 2005 is dead on, this piece of software is part of a larget controversy, but hasn't distinguished itself as "The" controversy or even "the main player" in the controversy.Balloonman 15:18, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
- It has virtually nothing to do with that controversy since any one of several similar types of software could have been used. It's relationship to the controversy is trivial. What is notable is "online poker tracking software" (shich is covered in the encyclopedia), not this one brand of it. 2005 06:21, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
- Comment. I really don't think this is blatant advertising - note that the tag says "which would require a complete rewrite". The advert tag is really meant for things that are full of fluffy ad-speak, not a one-line article about potentially non-notable software. I'm going to remove the tag because I really think this should just go through AfD for once. Also note that the G11 tag was already added once and removed. Natalie 22:25, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
- Delete unless some evidence of notability appears in the article. I'd say this only escaped CSD A7 on a technicality. SamBC(talk) 21:03, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
- Comment how about a separate article on the various types of tracking software and the debate over their use? If someone wants to do this, then this would basically be a keep and expand ♣♦ SmartGuy ♥♠ 13:46, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
