Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Muktadhara

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep per an apparent WP:HEY. Barnstars are thataway. --jonny-mt 01:58, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Muktadhara

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Does not assert notability, and the author is asserting ownership of the article at the end. αѕєηιηє t/c 06:31, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Comment Be generous, it's just a signature. GFDL does credit authors. There is also notability asserted, at least enough to get past speedy. At AFD we are more often about objective notability than assertions of it. The article is actually more about the founder Chittarojan Saha. It does seem to indicate some notability for the publisher Muktadhara, and some searching indicates it is a publishing house in Dacca. This could be cleaned up into an article on one or the other, although it would be nice to have sources other than The Daily Star (Bangladesh). --Dhartung | Talk 07:02, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Comment:Thank you for your comment. Thanks to my Harvard friend Russell—who just email me another sources (I shall have more sources by mornong) regarding the work of Muktadhara—The sources is The New York Times and Wikipedia. Here're they: [1] [ http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DE7DB1739F935A35755C0A96F958260&scp=1&sq=muktadhara&st=nyt] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jewelakhter (talk • contribs) March 24 2008— Jewelakhter (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

  • Comment So what's up with that? It's a bookstore in NYC with the same name, but is it part of the publisher (doubtful), or just owned by the guy's brother, or what? In any case it doesn't seem to speak toward the notability of either the man or the publishing company. Also, when linking to content on Wikipedia, you should use links in two brackets to just the article title: [[Ekushey Book Fair]] gives you Ekushey Book Fair. --Dhartung | Talk 10:19, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
  • comment needs some fixing work , me im neutral . seems to be notable . --Pearll's sun (talk) 13:06, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete and start over This is not an article. This is a personal essay written in first person. Signing the article page is bad form. It does give the impression that the author is claiming ownership. DarkAudit (talk) 14:52, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

CommentThis article is noting comparing what Muktadhara is doing and what it has done over the years to promote Bengali Language, the 5th largestspoken language in the world. I am in support of keeping this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.61.20.129 (talk • contribs) March 26 2008

  • Comment. I've formatted the references a bit to help with evaluation, and removed the signature. Surely it would have been easier for the nominator to simply delete it rather than moan about it. I don't yet have any opinion on the merits of the article, but checking isn't made easier by the four different spellings used for the subject. Phil Bridger (talk) 12:25, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

CommentThis is great Phil. Thanks for taking time from your busy schadule to do it. Wikiphedia needs people like you. I also thank Mr. Rashidul Bari for his article. Like many people, i think Wikiphedia should have this article (on Muktadhara)about years ago. Thank you. Komer Nath, Brooklyn College —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.245.180.110 (talk • contribs) March 26 2008— 146.245.180.110 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

  • Comment I'm afraid it's still more of a first-person essay than a proper article. DarkAudit (talk) 02:17, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Comment Mr. Bari I followed Mr. Phil footstep--meaning I edited the text because it was more of a first person. now i fixed it. Nahid, York College —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.61.20.129 (talk) 01:32, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

CommentPhil & Nahid thank you--& don't hesitate to edit it as long as it needed —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jewelakhter (talk • contribs) March 28 2008

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~~~~ --Bduke (talk) 06:30, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
  • I have relisted this because, while the discussion above looks lengthy, it really has few clear opinions. The article needs significant improvement, wikifying and so on. --Bduke (talk) 06:30, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Delete - article reads like a magazine interview. I am not convinced that the requirements of WP:BIO are satisfied, but it's clear that the current article should not stand.B.Wind (talk) 06:37, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

  • Delete. My comments above could be construed as a weak-maybe-keep, but nothing has really changed. We need better sources for an article, if this is indeed notable, which I don't think has been conclusively proven. --Dhartung | Talk 07:21, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete Agree with comment that it reads like a magazine article. Perhaps salvageable with a total rewrite, but even then not convinced subject is notable. --Alchemy12 (talk) 15:06, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Keep it Muktadhara is a pioneer of many things: 1. International Mother Language Day(21st February) 2. Ekosee Boi Mela (largest Bengali book fair in World) 3. 10 Greatest living Bengalis & 4. International Bengali Book Festival(held every year in the United States) Thus, I think Wikipedia can consider keeping this article. However, it must be edited properly—which I hope someone (with that ability) will do it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.61.20.129 (talk • contribs) 3 April 2008

KeepI've formatted the it a bit to help meet with Wiki's policy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.61.20.129 (talk) 00:55, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Keep It The Daily Independent, one of the prominent English newspapers in Bangladesh published Mr. Rashidul Bari’s article on Muktadhara. Please read it from the link :[2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.61.20.129 (talk) 21:38, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

  • Keep. I thought I might be closing this; instead I'm contributing. This article needs considerable work, but I believe based on what I've had a chance to review that the subject is notable. I would ask that whoever is going to close it please allow me about an hour to see what I can do with it. I hope to bring it in line with policy in such a way that its notability is clear. If I should convince myself otherwise while working on it, I will be back to change my opinion. Either way, I will update here. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 18:25, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment: Muktadhara, in my opinion, establishes sufficient notability alone in its part in forming the Ekushey Book Fair. It is also, according to the New York Times, the largest Bengali language bookstore in New York City, which seems notable to me. While there are other entities entitled Muktadhara, there is no doubt that these are the same, run by the same family. I believe that the article as written may have contained some puffery, but I have tried to revise it to guard against that. There is a concern of systemic bias over organizations that have primary existence in other nations in other languages. Unfortunately, I can't access Bengali sources (or read them if I could). I don't believe that it would do a service to the article or the encyclopedia to close this AfD as "delete" based on many of the earlier comments, as the article has been completely rewritten. If any of the earlier contributors are watching, I'd invite you to please look at it as it stands now and judge the notability as it currently asserts, keeping in mind the potential limitations of English language sources, particularly as regards the organization in Bangladesh. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 19:50, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep - This publishing house was a pioneer in Bangladeshi publishing industry since the independence of Bangladesh in 1971. In fact, Muktadhara and its owner Chittaranjan Saha started the Ekushey Book Fair, now a national observance in Bangladesh. --Ragib (talk) 21:15, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep. Moonriddengirl's fantastic work has demonstrated that this is pretty obviously a notable subject which belongs in Wikipedia. Somebody please give her the appropriate barnstar - I don't know how to do it. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:22, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.