Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Makeoutclub (2nd nomination)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was withdrawn by nominator. Bduke (talk) 10:13, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Makeoutclub

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Relisted to gather more consensus; previous outcome was no consensus, despite long and contentious discusion. Social networking website that fails WP:WEB, not notable, and borderline WP:SPAM (it was worse early on). Site operators lobbied users on its front page to vote on previous AfD. I'm relisting this largely on procedural grounds, but my vote is to delete; my reasoning from the previous discussion still stands. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 23:54, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

What do you suggest we do to get our entry "okay'd" ? The sources and references provided prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the site has been an influential online destination for nearly 8 years. What more really needs to be done? The tone isn't spammish or an advertisement, although at this point it has been widdled down to a confusing entry that needs some work, which we plan to do. We want to work with wiki here and do this the right way. Please help us. - Gibby Miller —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.254.34.194 (talk) 00:36, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Keep because press coverage equals notability. --House of Scandal (talk) 01:47, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment. It disturbs me that this is renominated just 3 hours after the previous nomination was closed. OK, it was closed as no consensus. That was the conclusion. The editors of this page should be given some time to take account of the critical comments of the previous nomination. They should not have to be continually watching AfD to stop it being deleted. This nomination should be withdrawn. --Bduke (talk) 02:44, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete Unnotable per WEB, much of the keep argument in the previous AFD appears to be from a SPA username--Professor Backwards (talk) 02:57, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
  • SPEEDY CLOSE Bad faith nom. Either take it to DRV, or to the article's Talk page. This is WAY too early to open up a second nom -- RoninBK T C 03:24, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
  • KEEP The timeline of this entry seems peculiar. The same users are the ones pushing for deletion but unable to convince anyone else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.170.63.134 (talk) 05:39, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
    • Reply to all above: The admin who closed the previous nomination did so in error, as discussions which do not have a consensus are normally supposed to be relisted. I don't know why the "no consensus" outcome was applied without relisting. If the discussion had previously been relisted with no consensus, I could understand the closure. Frankly, even though I favor deletion, I suspected the outcome would be an outright keep. It could be that the matter of open campaigning by the site operators made it difficult to tell which votes resulted form the campaign and which didn't. I think the issue should be resolved one way or the other, so I was bold and relisted it myself. (Note: I didn't nominate it the first time). By the way, RoninBK, DRV would not apply here as the article was not previously deleted. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 06:31, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
  • I think this is just wrong. It is quite common as far as I recall for AfD to be closed as "no consensus" without being relisted, and DRV is for reviewing any AfD closure. If you thought the closure was incorrect, you should have taken it to DRV and that discussion might have called for to be relisted, but it might have just endorsed the closure. --Bduke (talk) 07:26, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Doesn't DRV stand for deletion review? I may be wrong about this, but I thought DRV was simply for reviewing deletions. Since there was no deletion, I would assume DRV would not apply. Am I missing some arcane policy here? Not arguing, simply asking. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 08:04, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Well, after further review, it does appear that a DRV is used in the case of an AfD closed because of a no-consensus outcome. I never would have thought that DRVs had anything to do with this but, by gosh, it's right there on the WP:DRV page. So since I goofed up here, I'll withdraw this nomination, and instigate a DRV — but I'll wait a little while to do that, to see how this all shakes out. I'll comment further on the article talk page. Admins, you many now close this discussion. My apologies for any problems caused. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 09:14, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.