Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Madam Mim

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. In its present state, the article might be logical candidate for a merge. However, the fact that the character has appeared in several contexts makes this tricky, and there is no consensus for any specific merge.--Kubigula (talk) 23:31, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Madam Mim

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This character is a non-notable character from the Disney movie Sword in the Stone, and has no notability apart from the movie. It has no references from reliable sources, and as such is an in-universe plot repetition take from the plot sections of the movie and TV show. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 17:45, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

• Delete - no notability, and unreferenced anyway. mattbuck (talk) 18:01, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
• Comment - a major Disney character, at least in Europe; in any case, is in no way limited only to the movie. --Kizor (talk) 18:29, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

  Could you give examples of how she's not limited to the movie? Or do you mean, she's also in the original book? —Quasirandom (talk) 19:21, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

  Sure. She's a recurring character in the Disney comics, retooled into a contemporary setting as a sort of anti-hero; reclusive and quite morbid, but not an actual antagonist. I gather said comics are not very popular in the US? Well, they're huge in Europe - in my native Finland, well over 95% of children aged 7-14 read them. (Yes, I'm serious. In fact that's a deliberate underestimation as I can't recall the exact figure.) It would be a fair estimate that at least 90% of the population would recognize the character. This is a couple orders of magnitude removed from being a bit player in one Disney movie. --Kizor (talk) 19:51, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Cool! I never knew that. I hope that this great notability in Europe will make it easy to demonstrate notability. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 19:56, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

The C.O.A Inducks features a chronological listing of her appearances. Currently 933 stories and/or covers included. Dimadick (talk) 03:34, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

As do I... --Kizor (talk) 19:57, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletions. —Quasirandom (talk) 19:18, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keep A very notable and enduring comic book character. Dimadick (talk) 10:07, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
• (Stubbify&Keep or) merge, but don't delete I needed an image to know who the article is talking about, but I do recognize her from several stories. Is there are list for minor Disney characters? The first one or two paragraphs may be unsourced and may seem ORish, but they are real-world information that should be kept somewhere. – sgeureka ^t•c 12:24, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

If there is, now would be a great time to show it, as I am skeptical that there is any. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 17:14, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

I have outgrown my Disney phase some time ago, so I don't remember any details about her character. My google search brought up some reviews for the film,[1] information about what a good job the voice actress did etc.,[2] and confirmation that Madam Mim was a main character in The Sword of the Stone and made many minor appearances in other Disney-related things. [3][4] I couldn't find a wikilist for minor Disney characters, so I think The Sword in the Stone (film) would be a good smerge target. I still believe that some sentences of the first two and the last paragraph deserve a mention somewhere. – sgeureka ^t•c 11:04, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletions. -- Hiding T 10:29, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
• Merge this back to The Sword in the Stone. There's enough info here that could justify a mention in the article if sourced, notably the character being written out of later versions of the work and the animation facets. Also, it keeps the title as a redirect for a useful search term. redirects are free! Hiding T 10:58, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keep per Kizor. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 18:33, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keep per Kizor and Sgeureka. --SimpleParadox 18:37, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. The opening sentence, “This character is a non-notable character from the Disney movie Sword in the Stone, and has no notability apart from the movie,” is ignorant and incorrect, which shows the complexity of the issue and the need for the article. The character is from the original version of the book, and was deleted in the later version, which is more widely read. She then received greater notoriety from a notable movie, and has subsequently achieved even greater notability in other forms. It’s also unclear which article she would be merged into; my main interest is in the book, but it sounds like some of the proposers are only interested in (or at least aware of) the movie. This shows, I feel, a broader problem with this process of boiler-plate removal proposals by those with an insufficient grasp of the subject matter.

—FlashSheridan (talk) 18:42, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

This is not an exam for the people who nominated the article, it is an opportunity to demonstrate the articles notability, and if there is no notability to demonstrate, no amount of keep votes or insulting messages will change that. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 20:14, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

• Keep as a major character, with possibility to find reliable sources. Remember that she has different names in different languages: it looks to me like e.g. this book in Italian (check for Maga Magò)[5] has comments about the character (if my Italian is any good, it is about the depiction of the Middle Ages in Disney productions), which could be included in the article as a secondary source establishing some notability (I will not include this though, since my Italian is not good enough to be certain of the translation). Fram (talk) 15:32, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.