Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Forgive Her...

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep per consensus as meeting WP:MUSIC. There is no requirement that a source must be in English to make an article verifiable. There is certainly no requirement that all of the articles on English wikipedia have to be about subjects that are only from England, Australia, and the United States. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:50, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Forgive Her...

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Does not meet wikipedia's guidelines for wp:notability Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 15:35, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp (talk) 16:02, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep No policy-based reason for deletion given. Catchpole (talk) 20:31, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
•  :Policy is notability. Reason: does not meet guidelines for notability. Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 23:05, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delete, article fails to establish notability as per WP:MUSIC.  Esradekan Gibb  ^"Talk" 05:07, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. Notable band, notable label, notable single and Google finds many sources. This was also on the official Finnish charts for six weeks with best position 4th.[1] Prolog (talk) 19:41, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
• Merge & redirect to Swallow the Sun. Without independent sources, it doesn't deserve it's own article. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:51, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fabrictramp (talk) 14:04, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

• Comment: Unless the song charted in Finland, it fails notability issues. If it did chart in Finland, the article needs sourcing of that fact. Corvus cornix_talk 18:21, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep as a chart hit. It takes hardly any longer to add the reference supplied above to the article than it does to comment at AfD. Why not do it yourself instead of demanding that someone else does it? Phil Bridger (talk) 15:20, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the assumption of good faith and the civility, Phil. I had no idea where to go to find Finnish charts. But then I guess that makes me either stupid or lazy. Corvus cornix_talk 16:10, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
    • Unlike others here, I will assume good faith, and I will assume that the link provided does, in fact, support the claim that the song charted in Finland, and will therefore cast my support towards keep. This despite the fact that I can't read the link because I don't speak Finnish, and will have to take Phil Bridger's word for it that it says what he claims it says. Corvus cornix_talk 16:12, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

• Comment. What is your complaint? Prolog had already provided the reference to show that this single had charted before you made your comment, so by not accepting that as evidence of notabilty you were the one who was failing to assume good faith. And whether you read Finnish or not it's pretty obvious what that source is saying, and the url shows that it come's from Finland's most established broadcaster that has a Wikipedia article explaining that it's a reliable source. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:54, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

• • I had not made up my mind. I was willing to address this as a keep. You were the one who failed to abide by WP:CIVIL, WP:NPA and WP:AGF. It was your aggressiveness and lack of civility which led us to here. Corvus cornix_talk 21:02, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
• Comment I don't believe that mere data of charting well is good enough. For it to have it's own article, there should be reliable independent sources commenting on the subject. Has anybody else ever written about this this subject, or are we compiling a directing of songs according to a charting criteria? --SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:00, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

  I agree. Just being in a music chart in a small country who's language is not English is trivial to english encyclopedia. The notability guideline for albums should change. The criteria should be an independent english source. Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 15:22, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

• Comment. Why should people who read English have their knowledge limited to subjects about English speaking countries? This is an encyclopedia about the whole Universe which happens to be written in English. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:08, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

• WP:MUSIC does not limit notability to English-speaking charts. That would eliminate a lot of bands that we have well-documented articles on. Corvus cornix_talk 21:34, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.