Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Gault
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Delete notability not established Gnangarra 11:57, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] David Gault
Non notable former football player in non-professional league. Orderinchaos 04:15, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions. -- Orderinchaos 04:19, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. Captain of highly notable football team which has had many notable players play in it. Capitalistroadster 06:14, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
- The team is notable (I wouldn't say "highly"), but WAFL is not the West Coast Eagles or the Fremantle Dockers, and is still an amateur competition. Orderinchaos 06:28, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. It's semi-pro, not amateur. It could be argued that this league is at the second tier of competition in this sport after the AFL. As a club leader of a notable club he would be notable.Hack 07:17, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
- The team is notable (I wouldn't say "highly"), but WAFL is not the West Coast Eagles or the Fremantle Dockers, and is still an amateur competition. Orderinchaos 06:28, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete The club is notable, the players not. I would contend that since the introduction of the West Coast Eagles that playing in the Western Australian Football League is not sufficient to make one notable. In any case there are no multiple non-trivial reliable sources to asserting the subject's notability. -- Mattinbgn/ talk 06:31, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep - He is the captain of a commonly known football club in Western Australia. Clearly notable, almost a speedy keep item. Twenty Years 08:17, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
- Comment - He is not a former football player - he is the CURRENT captain of the SFFC. Good bloke too. Twenty Years 09:13, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete. My criteria for sportsmen is representative state level. ie. AFL —Moondyne 10:42, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete WP:BIO criteria are not met - he hasn't played at the premiership level of his sport's competition. There are no references independent of the mans employers (SFFC, Aquinas College).Garrie 23:09, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
- Redirect and merge to South Fremantle Football Club. John Vandenberg 08:52, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep I would argue that the WAFL is a professional league, as AFAIK, all players are paid, just not that much! There is a salary cap. I would consider club captains, major medal winners or state representatives as notable. Agree it needs to improve the sources, however. The-Pope 04:01, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete WP:BIO Professional or not, this player hasn't competed at the highest level of the sport. --Ytny (talk) 01:42, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
- Which part of WP:Bio states that you must have competed at the highest level of the sport? That only applies to amateur sports. This isn't. He gets paid to play for South Freo. It is a professional league - read section 5 of the league's rules. Should we delete all first class/list A cricketers who haven't played tests/ODIs as well? The-Pope 03:43, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
- Comment: WP:BIO says "Competitors who have played in a fully professional league,..." I would argue the WAFL is semi-professional as most players are not professional in the sense of making their living from football. As for the cricketer comparison WP:CRIC has generally accepted guidelines that do not apply to Australian rules football. -- Mattinbgn/ talk 09:35, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
- Which part of WP:Bio states that you must have competed at the highest level of the sport? That only applies to amateur sports. This isn't. He gets paid to play for South Freo. It is a professional league - read section 5 of the league's rules. Should we delete all first class/list A cricketers who haven't played tests/ODIs as well? The-Pope 03:43, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
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- It's a minor league. Especially since the introduction of the WCE, and then the Dockers, the league is just about ignored in its home state. Even so, there's a bigger Wiki issue with this article, that being the lack of independent sources or the existence of them, which violates core policy. Orderinchaos 04:07, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
- The 22,570 people who saw him lift the premiership cup seem to think otherwise. there is the wafl ref, 3rd degree, ac ref - how many do we need? Twenty Years 08:22, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
- You need two independent references from reliable sources. I think 3rd degree is basically reader submissions from uni students (I might be wrong) so all references are either primary in nature or otherwise don't meet WP:RS - so they don't establish notability. If he's that notable, give us one reference from The West Australian and one from The Sunday Times (Western Australia). Shouldn't be hard, he's famous in his own state after all.Garrie
- The 22,570 people who saw him lift the premiership cup seem to think otherwise. there is the wafl ref, 3rd degree, ac ref - how many do we need? Twenty Years 08:22, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
- It's a minor league. Especially since the introduction of the WCE, and then the Dockers, the league is just about ignored in its home state. Even so, there's a bigger Wiki issue with this article, that being the lack of independent sources or the existence of them, which violates core policy. Orderinchaos 04:07, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
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- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
