Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/British Canadians

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Yamamoto Ichiro 会話 00:01, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] British Canadians

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I do not understand why this should be up here. This page just gives a few names, no references. Redmarkviolinist ^{Drop me a line} 18:28, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. —Canuckle (talk) 19:09, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
• Keep, perfectly valid disambiguation-type article, although I'm not sure it really warrants the {{disambig}}. --Dhartung | Talk 19:12, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
• Keep, ditto, although I think this could be more than a simple disambig; I've known people who were "three of the above" but identified as British rather than (any one of (whichever of) the three. And what about Manx Canadians? Cornish Canadians? Skookum1 (talk) 19:19, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
• Comment: I wonder if this might be more considered a disambiguation page for the nice four ethnic group articles that are listed there. It should also be noted that this article was less than 3 minutes old when nominated. (Edit conflict: Dhartung agrees). DoubleBlue (Talk) 19:18, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
• Comment If retained, I guess this could become the main article for Category:British Canadians or its master cat Category:Canadians of British descent? Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:23, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

There's also already a tiny section on this at British_people#Canada. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:27, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

That said, I do agree with the above comments that if retained, it should be as a disambiguation page, as articles like Scottish Canadian do a fine job of chronicling the histories of each of the UK national groups in Canada. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:38, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

• Delete and replace with a category. GreenJoe 20:12, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Categories already exist, per above. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:39, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

• Keep, per Skookum1. Black Tusk 20:41, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete This serves no purpose except to tell us that English, Scottish, Irish and Welsh Canadians are also "British Canadians"... perhaps the author speaks for all of Canada, but I can tell you that "Irish-Americans" sure as hell don't think of themselves as "British Americans". Thus, I question whether this is someone's point of view rather than something that can be sourced. Mandsford (talk) 22:28, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I changed it to Canadians of Northern Irish, which doesn't have or I suspect doesn't merit an article, either. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 23:13, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm certain you're aware that at the time of Canada's settlement, Ireland was part of the British Empire? And certainly only some Canadians are "Northern-Irish-Canadians"? The point is to help the person with the wrong/obsolete/too general term find the article they want. --Dhartung | Talk 06:20, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

• Coincidentally, at the time of America's settlement, Ireland was a part of the British Empire too, but you don't see the Union Jack on St. Patrick's Day. For that matter, a lot of the world was "part of the British Empire" when Canada was being settled, an argument which would cut both ways. I think the point that Shawn is making is that the majority groups are "British Canadian" and "French Canadian", and that within the British Canadian community (sources would be helpful here), and that there are further ethnic divisions among English, Scottish and Welsh, more so than in the USA. For instance, I'm not aware of any American celebrations of "St. David's Day" or even a strong "Welsh-American" community (you sometimes see a bumper sticker); and there's no analog in America to Canadian tartans to symbolize Scottish-Canadian pride. However, I picked up that context from reading the articles, and I urge Shawn to put more context, with sources, in the page itself. Mandsford (talk) 15:07, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

  But if it ends up being retained as a disambig page, which now seems likely, should we be populating it with a lot of text? I don't think so, per MOS:DAB.Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:43, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

• Keep as disambiguation page. "British Canadian" seems just as likely a search term as any of English Canadian, Scottish Canadian, etc. EALacey (talk) 23:21, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. It is a valid disambiguation page as EALacey says above. --Bduke (talk) 02:49, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I've taken the liberty of removing the cats and placing a disambig tag on it, as there seems to be a consensus on this. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 02:54, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

• Keep - any nomination with the words "I do not understand" is liable to wide quoting as an example of systemic problems with AFD in general - David Gerard (talk) 13:24, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
• No making vote Agree with you. I have problem with nominations made with the words I do not understand, but I am learning for new words the meaning each day, so I understand the words, email, I will explain, OK. 63.84.72.153 (talk) 17:38, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
• Keep as disambiguation page. Coffee4me (talk) 04:55, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - My initial reaction was to call for the deletion of it and of the articles, listed, but I now realise that the article is describing genuine published research. Since Canada was largely settled by British colonists (except Quebec), I very much doubt that being of English, Welsh, Scottish, or Ulster is a defining characteristic for most Canadians, and I presume that intermarriage has meant that many Canadians fall into two or even three groups. I would therefore oppose categories for these groups. The present page should be retained as a disambigation page, and tidied up to look more like one. The Northern Ireland article is missing, and should become a red link, or initially a redirect (with possibilities) to an article on Canadians of Irish descent. Peterkingiron (talk) 12:37, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I can tell on personal experience that being English, Welsh, Scottish or Irish is a defining characteristic for many Canadians, rather than any generically British origin. Regardless, we agree that this has value as a diambiguation page. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:48, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.