Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ben Muriithi

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Singularity 05:50, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ben Muriithi

Ben Muriithi (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View log)

Autobio of US-based Kenyan actor, journalist, photog, etc. Refs appear to be self-published. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 14:22, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

• Comment This comment was left on my user page by 70.11.243.201 (talk · contribs), presumably from the same person as Bmjmureithi (talk · contribs), suggesting that many Kenyans have the same name and it is therefore not autobio. Thought I'd add that to the mix. I've left the autobio tag in place. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 02:08, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

• Delete - no evidence of notability. Deb (talk) 14:28, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete; does not meet WP:BIO. Note that the "references" in the article are not coverage of the subject in the media, but are articles written by the subject which appeared in various non-notable online publications. --MCB (talk) 06:44, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Bduke (talk) 08:04, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

• Delete Fails general WP:N requirements. Blaxthos ( t / c ) 14:02, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per nom - probable vanity article created by anon editor who has only worked on this. Dreamspy (talk) 15:32, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

• Do not Delete We totally disagree with your contention on this article on Ben Muriithi. We very strongly feel that what you describe as notability is very relative and you are using that to discriminate against third world celebrities. We feel that you don't have to appear in American or European papers to be considered notable. In fact it is very rude of you to refer to publications you know nothing about as non notable. We have also noted that you have included any Tom, Dick and Harry so long as they are American. This borders on racism.

• Comment what total guff! There are articles on here about people from every race, colour and creed. This guy is simply not notable! Get over it. Dreamspy (talk) 23:05, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
• Additional comment have just noticed you have the same name as the subject of the article - total vanity article! Dreamspy (talk) 23:07, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

• Retraction Okey, we have retracted the words that threaten legal action as we were not aware of the rule. However, we still feel that even though Ben Muriithi is from the third world, he should be included in Wikipedia. Please be fair. There aren't many publications in Kenya but I can assure you that he is very "notable".

One of the reasons for requiring notability is WP:V, our core policy on verifiability. We can only report facts that are available via reliable, verifiable sources. This holds doubly for articles about living persons - see WP:BLP. It does not matter why such sources are missing, only that they are missing. And please sign your talk page contributions, using for tildas (~~~~). --Stephan Schulz (talk) 00:54, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

• Comment Bmjmureithi‎, I think you should consider retracting your baseless accusation that this "borders on racism", which you also added to my talk page. WP tends to focus on North American and European places, events, and people, but I believe this reflects the interests of the contributors and the availability of verifiable sources, rather than any racial prejudice. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 01:00, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete: ...per nom. Non-notable. seicer | talk | contribs 13:30, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
• Strong delete, per nomination. --InDeBiz1 (talk) 16:44, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. He does appear to be a journalist of some kind in Africa, but the sources are mostly articles written by him. Journalists aren't automatically considered notable if they write for significant sources; notability comes when significant sources write about a person, and I couldn't find much evidence that people are writing about Muriithi. The only source cited which writes about Murithi is an opinion piece which mentions him only briefly; none of the cited sources verify the information in the article. To the creator's accusations of racism, I can only respond by inviting them to read other articles nominated here for deletion, many of which are about white people from Western nations. I google-searched for Muriithi looking for better sources, but while it's true that it seems to be a not uncommon name, if he were truly notable, it seems that Ben Muriithi the journalist would probably appear more often in google searches than Ben Muriithi the tour guide or Ben Muriithi the high-school basketball player. I couldn't find any sources that would confirm notability. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:47, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete Fails WP:BIO. And spraying baseless, immature and provocative accusations about the place will NOT persuade otherwise. Plutonium27 (talk) 20:39, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.