Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Astral dreadnought

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete - issues include no real world notability. --VS talk 11:01, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Astral dreadnought

Astral dreadnought (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View log)

Non notable Dungeons & Dragons monster appearing in a couple of supplements. May warrant a mention somewhere if a reference for its relation to the Doom series can be verified, but I think it probably does not warrant an article of its own, even if it is linked. J Milburn (talk) 15:30, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Keep or Merge and/or Redirect into Planescape. BOZ (talk) 16:28, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Weak Keep - this one I can see keeping. There is information out there on this guy and if the Doom connection can be verified then that would seal it. OTHERWISE it should be merged into another article. Web Warlock (talk) 16:59, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Game-related deletions. --Gavin Collins (talk) 18:19, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete no secondary coverage. The link to doom might be a reason to mention it, but I doubt it would be more than a small mention in a section devoted to the cacodemon, rather than actual coverage of the dreadnought. Percy Snoodle (talk) 19:28, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
    • I think it would make a good addition to the article on the book this monster appeared in, providing a source can be found. That's what should be focused on from a D&D point of view- supplements and modules, not monsters and deities. J Milburn (talk) 19:55, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Weak keep per WW above. Article is poor at the moment and needs help. 68.40.58.255 (talk) 01:04, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Trim and Merge to Manual of the Planes, the first appearance of the monster AND the book on which it graces the cover. Given that the new 4th Edition Manual of Planes cover coming in December 2008 will once again feature the Astral Dreadnought, there is a strong thematic link between the creature and the book, so it can reside there. --Ig8887 (talk) 03:51, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete — non-notable; belongs at the bottom of Scapa Flow. Mention in a list. Cheers, Jack Merridew 09:26, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment: There is already a mention of them on the Manual of the Planes article, but until we have a reference, we can keep the Doom speculation off the main article. J Milburn (talk) 19:30, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete I don't think that the likeness to a cacodemon from Doom is anything more than coincidence. If someone can whip out a source - an interview, notes on design, etc. - I will change my opinion on the likeness, but even with the source this monster does not deserve an individual article. -Jéské (v^_^v :L10 Lucario Cleric of Mew) 23:00, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletion discussions. —Pixelface (talk) 08:39, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete Non-notable stock character with no reliable secondary sources to demonstrate real world notability outside D&D. This article fails WP:NOT#GUIDE as the primary source is a gameguide, and the descriptions fail WP:NOT#PLOT, WP:WEASEL and WP:WAF as well, so there is no benefit from keeping this fancruft.--Gavin Collins (talk) 10:14, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Trim and Merge to Manual of the Planes per Ig8887. shadzar-talk 21:03, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete per User:Gavin.collins above. Not notable outside of D&D. Lankiveil (speak to me) 06:02, 9 March 2008 (UTC).
  • Delete per Jeske; no real world notability. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 10:45, 10 March 2008 (UTC)


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.