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[edit] Vandalism

Someone is vandalizing the picture, and someone else is replacing the cartoon with a supersized picture. I'm still a newbie when it comes to editing pictures, but I'll try to sort it out. Zora 23:18, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Also, some people have doctoring the article to make it look like Khameini is Taliban. These people should read their weekly news magazines (especially the Economist) and at least take a look at the Koran before making changes to the article. It is highly inaccurate. (Volosian) [April 6, 2008 from FBI and Daughter Lika Valentino/Alla Khameini, you can call in the FBI at 212-384-5000 to dispute this Ali Khamenei/Khameini is NOT a TERRORIST, NO LINKS TO ANY AL QAEDA or a RADICALISM GROUP, HE IS KNOWN AS IN THE INTELLIGENCE DIVISIONS AS A GENTLE GIANT] Grand Ayatollah Ali Khameini is not a Taliban nor a connection to any Terrorism, ok, lets get it straight, we know this family from experience since of 2003 - presently, and his daughter as she types our words, as i am sitting here with her on all Governmental Communication Disruptions to National Radios, TV's, so forth, they have been protecting and fighting the Taliban, and all Terrorism Threats in potentiality or that have struck the U.S. of A, with her rights, as a Dignitary of Iran, so now this can be used as a reference, so forth he is not a TALIBAN or a TERRORIST, nor his family members nor his Military, nor his Diginitaries.

Administrator - please make note of this. (Volosian)

This is from Lika Valentino aka Alla Khamenei / Khameini, papa is Grand Ayatolla of Iran as a Supreme Leader, so be polite, courtious to other writers, scholars, historians, intelligence officers, and human beings [spelling mistakes can be relinquished] do not vandalize, please leave a message if you are a CIA or any Agents of an Intelligence divisions of why this should not be here or so forth that picture should not be used, than so forth as stated or we will have to drag any vandals to the NY FBI at 26 Federal Plaza at 212-3874-5000 by DIPLOMATIC order and the Assistant Director of FBI, and i will as ASSISTANT DIRECTOR with her as a diplomat place an end to it, not an arrest but to make ones life a miserable nightmare, do not vandalize pictures, or articles of intelligence, dispute them professionally, politely, and with a reason of why place notations, for research as for example my site of the right of a dignitary who has those connections, and placed them o their scholar page, or writing or where to reference as example or books of reference, or site reference example repeat again "http://likadiplomat2007.wordpress.com for further reference on Iranian State, Dignitary non Superficial, or clear point in time first alert to all Iranian or U.S. Political National Delegations so forth. Only certain ranked individuals as for example CIA agents, or Diplomatic Dignitaries have rights to the edit section on Wikipedia it is a linked right by an OS connection to those Intelligence Officers, Dignitaries, and any other personnel with the sole right provided, so be polite to each other. Good luck Administrator, and all mentioned intelligence officers, and journalists, and writers.

[edit] Khomeini

I think his last name is spelled wrong, it should be خمینی right? Vpendse 03:09, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

NO, khomeini is another Ayatollah, precedent to Khamenei. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.82.106.136 (talk • contribs) 01:47, 5 January 2006 (UTC).
Actually I think it should be Kha.me.neh.ei خامنه‌ای
Khameneh (خامنه) is a town in Iran and the "ei ‌ای" at the end in farsi indicates that a person is from that town. Kiumars 12:45, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Abadan crisis

Ideleted some of the section about Abadan crisis and Mosaddegh, Khamanei was a youngster at that time and was not involved in politics at all. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.82.106.136 (talk • contribs) 01:47, 5 January 2006 (UTC).

[edit] NPOV dispute

[edit] Unreadable, unsigned nonsense

who says the allegations are false?

You wrote: "In recent years, there have been false allegations by the United States and Israel that he has been supporting a covert nuclear weapons development project in Iran as a response to the nuclear weapons possessed by Israel and the United States." The word "false" is not a fact and instead betrays the author's bias regarding the issue. Also, this page is extremely lacking for the leader of such a controversial government who has been in office since the 1980s. I'm wondering what was left out and why. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.129.20.101 (talk • contribs) 16:27, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but this article is basically a bull-shit fluff piece on Khamenei. See the aforementioned nuclear claims. The previous paragraph in the article is blatantly POV. There is no criticism whatsoever of the leader of a nation which routinely persecutes its religious minorities (see Bahai for examples). Quite frankly, this article needs a complete rewrite, and someone who has the time to watch over it and make sure that it doesn't turn into this kind of absolute crap again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.116.28.180 (talk • contribs) 06:03, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Why don't you make a page like you did for Ahmadinejad - "Controversies surrounding Mahmoud Ahmadinejad" If you want to grind your ax - that would be an appropriate place! And please, take your arrogance with you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.214.51.9 (talk • contribs) 16:38, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
I have changed the page in several occasions but someone keep writting crap like "Great leader, martyr...blah blah blah"; Fascist Islamic idiots. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dj skazi (talk • contribs) 19:35, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Cite your sources. --M@rēino 20:05, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Real stuff

My last revert was made in haste on my part. I misread it as though the article had been reverted to the previous "managed Iran's afairs with great skill" instead of to "Managed Irans affairs", which is certainly not POV. However, the current dispute between Khamanei's government and International community with respect to nuclear proliferation should be at least aknowledged. Having the section on his fatwa against nuvlear weapons and not the controversy is a complete non-sequitor. It should also be noted that the text of the fatwa has not been released. Someone reading the article without that paragraph would go away believing Khamanei was a completely uncontroversial ruler of Iran. That is far from the truth. It would be like an article on Bush's presidency without mention of the Iraq War. Clearly absurd. Thus the omision is POV 129.116.28.180 23:44, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I looked at the article, and there's already some material about his connection to the nuclear issue (without sources). I'm not sure if more could be said. There's very little known about the inside politics of Iran. There's also no evidence that Khamenei is behind the nuclear program. Most believe it's former president Rafsanjani. But if you want to add new information to the article, you can do that - just cite your sources. Otherwise I'd have to take down the POV tag. AucamanTalk 01:21, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Re: .. the text of the fatwa has not been released.
Fatwa does not need to be in writing! He said it on the TV and that is enough and recorded.
Kiumars 12:58, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

>> AucamanTalk; What the hell? "You" have been vandalizing Wikipedia not me. Block me i don't care but before that i need to know what part of my article was wrong or better say "You" didn't like? You obviously have no clue whatsoever about what is going on inside Iran or who is in charge of nuclear research. How many articles do i have to show you in which, clearly indicate the Real hands behind the nuclear project in Iran? Beside, what is said about Khamenei is pure propaganda (even a kid can understand that)

also it seems you don't care if fake Information is replaced with real one here in WikiPedia.

One more question and i know it will definitely make problems for me but i have to know, Does "Somebody" pay you to keep that specific article nice and clean? Just wondering. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dj skazi (talk • contribs) 07:40, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, let's look at some of your edits:
  • This : Wells this is clear nonsense. Do you have proof for any of these claims?
  • This : Again, nonsense. If he had issued such a Fatwa we would know about it by now.
Also, you're supposed to sign your posts. Now only do you not sign them, you have removed your forced signiture once.
But it seems like you're a reasonable person. I encourage you to make good edits. See Wikipedia:sign your posts and Wikipedia:Civility. When adding new information, you need to provide evidence for you claims. And no, I did not revert your edits. See Wikipedia:Assume good faith. AucamanTalk 09:31, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Update

This is the sentence under question:

"In recent years, there have been strong allegations by the United States and IAEA that he has been supporting a covert nuclear weapons development project in Iran."

No sources were provided, so I'm going to take this out. Most people don't accuse Khamenei as a person of trying to build nuclear weapons. I'm also taking off the NPOV tag since the discussion were not pursuit. AucamanTalk 06:27, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Birthplace
Imam Khamenei (HA) was not born in East Azerbaijan. He was born in Mashhad according to his official biographies. I've heard he's Azeri, but not from offical sources.
"On 18th April 1939, a few months before the outbreak of World War II, the future leader of Islamic Iran was born in the holy city of Mashhad, Khorasan."
http://www.khamenei.ir/EN/Biography/index.jsp
رهبر عاليقدر حضرت آيت الله سيد على خامنه‌ای فرزند مرحوم حجت الاسلام والمسلمين حاج سيد جواد حسينى خامنه‌ای ، در روز 24 تيرماه 1318 برابر با 28 صفر 1358 قمرى در مشهد مقدس چشم به دنيا گشود
http://www.khamenei.ir/FA/Biography/index.jsp
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Ali Mahdi (talk • contribs) 01:39, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Fixed. AucamanTalk 02:21, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

From the FBI and Lika Valentino aka Alla Khamenei, notation for information to someone who has placed a note into this section, not being rude to you writer/scholar, but the last time i was told with the FBI at 26 Federal Plaza, and as he is my father this Grand Ayatollah Ali Khamenei/Khameini, as a daughter i was told i am half White and Egyptian, hhm!? I do not know you figure it out, now writer, have a nice day.

[edit] He Represents Islam today

Ayatollah Khamenei is a leader of MOMININ durring the absence of IMAM MAHDI (May ALLAH fasten his return) May ALLAH grant him health. All who oppose the rule of Wilayate Faqih should better study authentic Islamic sources and not listen to propoganda on CNN. Most Iranian support Islamic system, the election of Ahmedinejad prooves it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.123.220.62 (talk • contribs) 10:43, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

  • The Islamic regime machine guns make things right? He is the leader by sheer force.--Patchouli 03:26, 29 July 2006 (UTC)


“ Today, the Islamic Republic of Iran is the standard-bearer of the real Islam and the only country resisting the enemies of Islam. ”

--Djiboutian President Ismail Omar Guelleh, http://www.khamenei.ir/EN/News/detail.jsp?id=20060905A

--Patchouli 01:27, 30 January 2007 (UTC)


I am an Iranian and I would to say that in Iran Most of the people hate this guy and they are escaping from the islam. He and some minority may call him a leader but in the eye of most of the iranians and others around the world he is a real dictator. A person who doesnt know anything from a religion. I don't support any Islamic system for my country nor do so many others. I hope time will show these people what they deserve. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.75.53.127 (talk) 13:18, August 21, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Right hand

I removed the phrase "losing his right hand" here at [1] - in the picture, I can see both hands. Could someone clarify what this was intended to mean? --HappyCamper 00:01, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

His arm was actually badly damaged in the blast and the nerve system in his arm was destroyed. He cannot move his arm and hand. Kiumars 13:07, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] taking out the "ethnic azeri" part

i am taking out the part that says he was an ethnic azeri. although it is true, it is uneccessary, because at the end of the day he is iranian. mossadegh and others are also listed as iranians. their ethnic background means nothing, both in history and in reality. khamenei has pointed out many times that he is iranian and iranian only. if someone were to write my biography, i would also want it to be iranian, and not persian, because i am iranian and only iranian. i am not doing this for political reasons, i am doing this because i feel that his nationality is the only thing that matters and same goes for all other people in modern times.

for example, bill clinton's article doesnt say "ethnic englishman" and queen elizabeths article doesnt say "ethnic norman" etc....Iranian Patriot 02:06, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I guess I see what you're saying. I'll move the info to "Early live". —Khoikhoi 02:32, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Thank you, its much better now.Iranian Patriot 03:22, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
What is the point in these three references? Born to an Azeri[1] [2] [3] family…
Is there any correlation between him being born to Azeri parents and the Iran & the Rep of Azerbaijan relations? Are we politicizing something? Is that what wiki stands for? Kiumars 13:37, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] speclated?

not sure what is trying to be put across here

Although Khamenei wields the greatest religious and political power of anyone in Iran, he is speclated by the Assembly of Experts which is itself elected by the people.

--Xorkl000 14:47, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

I cannot even find “speclated” in the oxford dictionary! Is that an English word? Kiumars 13:24, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
"Speclated" was most likely intended to be "speculated", though it doesn't quite make sense in context. Accordingly, I replaced it with "elected." Thomas Facchine 01:15, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anti-zionist allegations

Though I don't necessarily doubt what is claimed, there is no conclusive source behind the claim: "On the 2000 al-Quds Day Iranian supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei called for the destruction of Israel, as Khomeini had done before.[1]:

The note leads to a CNN article on New Years' celebrations. For such serious claims against two high-ranking leaders, I would hope that someone could at least come up with a decent source. If I find one, I'll edit.

Thomas Facchine 01:20, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

--Patchouli 04:56, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Rewrote the paragraph and changed the references. I think it is more precise now. Bagande 15:44, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Translations of Qutb

Anyone out there with information on his translations of Sayyid Qutb into Farsi? Links to or excerpts of the translations? Thanks. Adam Holland 20:42, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Motanzeri

I removed the following line.

"Montazeri's words were so outrageous that even the reformist president of the time Khatami did not declare any response or attention to them."

Khatami's lack of response to Montazeri's comments might be relevant, but the claim that the words were "outrageous" is certainly not a neutral point of view... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.129.43.187 (talk • contribs) 05:25, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What "gangland-style murders"?

I removed this paragraph fragment which followed the first sentence in the "Ali Khamenei and violation of Human rights" section:

"Presiding Judge Frithjof Kubsch said the men had no personal motive but were following orders. Without naming names, Kubsch said the gangland-style murders had been ordered by Iran's Committee for Special Operations, to which Iran's president and spiritual leader belonged. Prosecutors had contended that Iran's powerful spiritual leader, , and Iranian President Hashemi Rafsanjani had personally ordered the killings."

There is no previous mention of murders, men with motives, etc. The double comma was as you see it also. Perhaps if I were to search back I would find the original version of this paragraph which may have been significant and may have been shredded by someone who disagreed with it, but in any case it is unintelligible as it stands. Blanchette 03:06, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Encyclopedia format?

In the first paragraph: He is part of the United States target for Terrorists. He is now largely hated by his own people. I understand that many people feel this way, in Iran and throughout the world, and I'm not questioning anyone's beliefs/motives, but this is still an encyclopedia, and should therefore function and be worded as such. The sentences quoted above should be placed in areas of the article that deal with those issues, and sources need to be cited. I realize that this is largely common knowledge, but it is still an encyclopedia regardless. And no matter what the opinion/situation is, everything in an encyclopedia should be phrased with a neutral point of view, as encyclopedias function to state factual information. Just my $0.02. And just for the record, no, I do not support the Ayatollah regime.San Diego, California, USA 03:21, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Khamenei and Patchouli

User:Patchouli has an intense desire to include list of dictators in the article, while no consensus has been reached on that list with regard to Khamenei. Please participate in the discussions on that article with regard to Khamenei, before further editing this page. --Gerash77 21:15, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

He is ranked among the worst dictators, not just any dictator.--Patchouli 19:39, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Based on the definition of dictator, Ali Khamenei is not a dictator. A better way to describe his position is: the leader of an oligarchy. He does not hold all power, which is why he cannot be defined as a dictator. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bagehi (talk • contribs) 00:14, 20 February 2007 (UTC).
Patchouli is a hate monger and is trying to use wikipedia to bring the shah back to Iran. Idiot, I know.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.186.245.199 (talk • contribs)
No, I want to expose totalitarianism.--Patchouli 11:23, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Even-though I have disagreed with you on many issues, I am starting to think you are right on this one. Khamenei isn't allowing Iran's democratically-elected President, Dr. Ahmadinejad to run his foreign policy as he desires. I think Khamenei is forcing inaction, conservatism and soft-approach onto the President and Majlis.--Gerash77 01:14, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
And khamenei is an azeri. the fact that it doesn't fit well with your "Persian dictator of in Iran" idealogy wouldn't make it wrong. it is "easy to verify", (unlike the so-called holo...) [2][3] [4] and your favorite "source": [5] --Gerash77 03:02, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Khamenei Considers War a Virtue, and Stirs Up the Masses In Favor Of It.--Patchouli 09:16, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
That is an opinion statement by some random academic, not objective research. Anyone can editorialize. The Behnam 19:05, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
It is a valid conclusion formed on the basis of Khamenei's words and actions.--Patchouli 20:36, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Well, you just sound soooo confident asserting your opinion that I am completey convinced that it should receive undue weight in this article, despite lacking any reasoning for its validity. Well, actually, I am not convinced, so you will have to persuade me and others that it is valid to include editorial conclusions as facts in the article. The Behnam 20:37, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
  • We should not dismiss every well-thought analysis as worthless opinion.--Patchouli 21:56, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
True. It can be used, but with proper weight and presentation. We aren't aimed at convincing the reader that the academic is correct or incorrect, just what his opinion is. This of course assumes he is significant enough to receive mention. I am just worried about weight. For example, adding that "nickname" thing to the Iran article was a serious undue weight issue, and was presented in a much too factual manner. Though I found it provocative, I will assume good faith this time. Let's avoid undue weight issues here too. The Behnam 01:49, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, nobody is allowed to even mention his name in Iranian news without taking approval from his office!!!!!!!! That is why there is no reference to this brutal person. I have seen and am sure millions of Iranians as well, that he does not take any opposite opinion and have zero tolerance policy. so we are left with no reference to say how many people has he killed or crime against humanity committed. but truth will come out as did after Saddam regime collapsed. Then we will know a lot about him and all in details. Including how many times a day his office employees edited and protected this page !!!!!

[edit] Threat against peaceful demonstrators

Maybe someone should put in somewhere that he runs the basij that shuts down any protests with violence --Fgol142.104.148.59 20:03, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

It is well documented at Iran: Dangerous Paramilitary Threat.--Patchouli 04:14, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] jumping the gun on death

There's a single blog report that he died, with no mainstream media confirmation. If there are no objections, I will remove this until there's a reliable source (no, blogs don't count). --Delirium 00:06, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Suspect you might find yourself needing to protect the page shortly, LGF have already posted the story and a link here. Richard Gadsden 00:12, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I've been following the dead/not dead row with some bemusement - the page seems to change every time I refresh. Might it not make sense to include (a least for now) a compromise sentence such as: 'As of january 5 2007, rumours of Khamenei's death the previous day had not been verified'? I am told that he is in all probability dead - but that so far all the information coming out of Iran is from a single source, which though reliable is as yet uncorroborated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wassmus (talk • contribs)

Yeah, I think if people can dig up some mainstream-media commentary on it that'd make sense. Has someone like the BBC or New York Times or somebody reported on the rumors? If so, we could cite them. --Delirium 07:50, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Hardly dead. He made a speech last Monday. I hope this matter is over for now. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/09/world/middleeast/09iran.html?_r=1&n=Top%2fReference%2fTimes%20Topics%2fPeople%2fK%2fKhamenei%2c%20Ali&oref=slogin

[edit] World’s 10 Worst Dictators

Patchouli, this is unencyclopedic trivia. Many magazines call Bush or Blair all sorts of things, but you don't see stuff like this in their aticles. Please don't re-add this info. Khoikhoi 03:51, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Parade gives reasons one of which is the same as that given by the Committee to Protect Journalists.--Patchouli 04:26, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Iran was facing a stark choice between democracy and dictatorship. The letter was posted on two Iranian websites, but was removed by the authorities after 24 hours.--Patchouli 04:47, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

"gives reasons one of which is the same as that given by the Committee to Protect Journalists."
That its self ^ means nothing you need reliable sources. Nareklm 04:48, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

World’s 10 Worst Dictators in 2007 --Patchouli 04:52, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Read also ISBN 0275982149 --Patchouli 04:54, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Look Patchouli this is not encyclopedic material. What makes a dictator? How do you accuse Khamenei of being a dictator? Iran has a democratically elected President & Parliament. They pass all the bills & laws of the country. How often does Khamenei play a part or influence this process? Show me proof that he's had a significant hand in implementing laws & bills, then we'll dicuss that "Parade" article. (Which just seems to be based on no evidence, just something to fill their magazine pages.)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.186.245.199 (talk • contribs)

Why the heck does Khamenei not go to a mosque? He is the military general of the country. He formulates the nuclear policy. He is behind the religious police. He is the source of problems in Iran like rising inflation, in Iraq with his Qods Force, in Lebanon with Hezbollah, in Palestinian terrorories with Hamas. He is the main reason mullah are in government. He is the one person with the power to end Islamic totalitarianism. He uses the nations revenues to build mosques endlessly and subsidize Islam.--Patchouli 06:57, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Crimes conducted under his responsiblity

Here is the list of some of the dissidents that were tortured, murdered or executed under his responsibilty:

This was removed.--Patchouli 07:57, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Do you have any reliable references? Nareklm 07:59, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
It was under his watch.--Patchouli 07:59, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Do you have any reliable sources that say that Khamenei was personally responsible for the well being of these persons, and that these persons were tortured/executed. Furthermore, do you have reliable sources that call all of these actions "crimes".Bless sins 15:44, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Most of the above individuals, if not all, were secularists and thus enemies of Islam who wanted to oppose the Islamic Republic. I do know that Ghorbanali Dorri-Najafabadi who was implicated with the Chain Murders of Iran joined the List of current Iranian Friday prayers Imams. Khamenei appointed him as a Friday prayer leader.--Patchouli 17:01, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

  • as a supreme leader he is responsible for every thing done in this country.

like a CEO of a company responsible for all policies of its company, or a general held responsible for actions of its soldiers.

This is your opinion. A leader can't change everything in a country like a CEO in a large company. Hessam 19:55, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Article 110 of the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Iran is not an opinion.--Patchouli 03:37, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

In its 10 April 1997 ruling, the court of the Mykonos trial declared that the assassination had been ordered by Iranian intelligence minister Hojjat al-Islam Ali Fallahian[1] and issued an international arrest warrant, and with knowledge of supreme leader Grand Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and president Ayatollah Rafsanjani. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arckticanalyzer (talk • contribs) 00:48, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


Here is article 110 for reference:

Article 110 Following are the duties and powers of the Leadership:


1.Delineation of the general policies of the Islamic Republic of Iran after consultation with the Nation's Exigency Council. 2.Supervision over the proper execution of the general policies of the system. 3.Issuing decrees for national referenda. 4.Assuming supreme command of the armed forces. 5.Declaration of war and peace, and the mobilization of the armed forces. 6.Appointment, dismissal, and acceptance of resignation of: 1.the fuqaha' on the Guardian Council. 2.the supreme judicial authority of the country. 3.the head of the radio and television network of the Islamic Republic of Iran. 4.the chief of the joint staff. 5.the chief commander of the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps. 6.the supreme commanders of the armed forces. 7.Resolving differences between the three wings of the armed forces and regulation of their relations. 8.Resolving the problems, which cannot be solved by conventional methods, through the Nation's Exigency Council. 9.Signing the decree formalizing the election of the President of the Republic by the people. The suitability of candidates for the Presidency of the Republic, with respect to the qualifications specified in the Constitution, must be confirmed before elections take place by the Guardian Council;, and, in the case of the first term [of the Presidency], by the Leadership; 10.Dismissal of the' President of the Republic, with due regard for the interests of the country, after the Supreme Court holds him guilty of the violation of his constitutional duties, or after a vote of the Islamic Consultative Assembly testifying to his incompetence on the basis of Article 89 of the Constitution. 11.Pardoning or reducing the sentences of convicts, within the framework of Islamic criteria, on a recommendation [to that effect] from the Head of judicial power. The Leader may delegate part of his duties and powers to another person.

--Blue Tie 08:22, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Independent media

Excerpts from Ali Khamenei's 20 April 2000 speech denouncing the independent media.--Patchouli 04:19, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I do feel more has to be written on the widespread, and well documented, human rights abuses in Iran, which the Supreme Leader has ultimate control over and responsibility for.

[edit] Political parties

Here is another totalitarian tendency of Ali Khamenei and his cohorts.

There is a multi-party system, yet the mullahs decide who runs for the puppet positions.--Patchouli 04:56, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

These kind of strong POV-revealing statements on the article talk page, in addition to your contribs, are the kind of things that make me worry you may not be seeking to present topics neutrally in the articles. Never forget that the articles are supposed to be neutral. Putting personal POV to the side is part of the challenge, but necessary for the project to function correctly. The Behnam 01:55, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Opposition websites cannot be accessed from inside Iran especially the secular ones. Ali Khamenei is the main individual responsible for this along with other mullahs and their stooges.--Patchouli 02:11, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I have also noticed that the only criticism inside of Iran comes from Islamic reformers — no secularists in Iran. They want to flush Islam down people's throats and then assert "The law comes from the people" and that "people" want Islam.--Patchouli 02:20, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

According to that site, some groups cannot be accessed, such as faithfreedom.org. Your own little bit is saying that Khamenei is the main individual responsible for this. True or not, your source doesn't say this. It doesn't mention his "stooges" either. The Behnam 02:25, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
I am entitled to a wide range of vocabulary; I don't need to link every word to somewhere on the Web.--Patchouli 02:38, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
lol, you are 'entitled' to use a wide range of vocabulary, like "stooges", which has a very negative connotation. At least here on the talk page, where you have let your strong POV run wild. Anyway, while you don't have link every 'word', you do have to link assertions. Your link didn't blame Khamanei at all, much less call him the main individual. Even if you find somebody who says that, it ain't gonna receive undue weight and be presented as some fact even though it is opinion. The Behnam 02:49, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] POV Rally

Cut it out Patchouli. You keep rallying POV evidence with OR interpretations. It is really really difficult to AGF toward you and your possible edits of the page considering this kind of rallying of biased information (not to mention your contribs). WP is not the place for biased articles. The Behnam 02:28, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I am convinced that in spite of government-organized demonstrations, many Iranian people puke when they see hear word "Islam" and "mullah"[6]. Due to lack of press freedom and Islamic totalitarianism such sentiments cannot be openly articulated.

--Patchouli 03:01, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Yet another example. First you say that you are convinced that many Iranians "puke" about mullahs, and you support this with a biased and unreliable site, holycrime.com, which cannot reliably gauge the opinion of Iranians in general. Please stop this nonsense, and try to work towards building a neutral article, thanks. The Behnam 03:09, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Also keep in mind all the wikipedia articles Patchouli refers to are ones he has created or has contributed to himself, again based on his opinions. These include Islamic totalitarianism, government-organized demonstrations, enemies of Islam, Chain Murders of Iran, etc etc. You get the picture. Check all those pages if you don't believe me. Patchouli is just some liar and hater that wants to turn wikipedia into a base to run his mouth.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.186.245.199 (talk • contribs)

[edit] Salary

  1. What is the annual salary of Khamenei? Is it a state secret?
  2. Any information on his net worth?

--Patchouli 03:15, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Unlike the pro-American and poor and innocent Rafsanjani, Khamenei and Ahmadinejad are rich and corrupt. That is why they oppose the west. In case of Ahmadinjad he is so rich that he has an antique car from the ancient times. Happy? :D ---Gerash77 02:46, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

  • There is nothing wrong if his income is $1,000,000/year; after all, he is the head of state. Every head of state has high salary in addition to the entourage and perquisites . I wanted to figure out if there is transparency.--Patchouli 02:58, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

No one in politics earn money directly from salaries, but through "donations (bribe)". I know his nickname is "geda ali" - the miserable ali; comparing that with the nicknames Akbar Shah, and Sultan of Khorasan gives you a fairly good estimate of the net worth.--Gerash77 04:11, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

From me Lika Valentino aka Alla Khamenei I will get to his Salary later, take notation. He is not miserable nor a wretched individual. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Likavalentino (talk • contribs) 22:00, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Payments to mullahs

Do the mullahs in Qom and elsewhere who are outside of government receive stipends?--Patchouli 03:22, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Target U.S. interests if attacked

This is the latest statement from Khamenei.--Patchouli 01:19, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Same old, same old. You might want to think about adding those to Wikinews in the meantime. metaspheres 13:48, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Palestinian Jihad

August 19, 2005: "The Palestinian nation and the Jihadi groups of Palestine should know that negotiations did not liberate Gaza, and will never liberate anywhere.”

Khamenei is a supporter of jihad. It should be added to the article.--Patchouli 15:14, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Which Muslim cleric is not a supporter of jihad? Please see Practices of the Religion. Please explain why "it should be added to the article". Agha Nader 00:38, 11 February 2007 (UTC)Agha Nader
One could make the same argument and thin out the Muhammad or Yusuf al-Qaradawi article. You can't say,"Well, cleric=jihadist; of course, why include it?" Because it has to be included and expanded upon with detail.--Patchouli 08:52, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Family Life and Children

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I wish to add information to this section. The added information will be "Khamenei was born into a family of eight children. He is the second eldest son, and two of his brothers are also clerics. His younger brother, Hadi Khamenei, is a notable newspaper editor and cleric. Source: Robin Wright, The Last Great Revolution: Turmoil and Transformation in Iran, Alfred A. Knopf, 2000. Agha Nader 02:42, 10 February 2007 (UTC)Agha Nader

This proposed addition seems acceptable to me. Who else thinks it is acceptable? The Behnam 07:35, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Thats good.
Also change: He was among the first Islamic clerics not to outlaw stem cell research and therapeutic cloning. --> to allow. It looks like it has been changed many times before, but Patchouli reverted it back for obvious reasons, eventhough the source cites the fatwa as allow.
also Like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and other prominent figures of the Islamic Republic, he claims to lead a modest household. is wrong, many figures such as rafsanjani dont claim to lead a modest life. revert to original according to Gholam Ali Haddad-Adel, he leads a modest household. as the source stated.--Gerash77 09:58, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Done. No comments were made on Gerash's other two changes, but they seem reasonable enough. Proto::► 14:36, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

There are no report of the Islamic Republic funding stem cell research. I suspected "Iran's clerics and political leaders actively promote science" of yellow journalism in the area of stem cell research and cloning.

This is trivial and I won't change it.--Patchouli 19:50, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Removing a cited statement without even doing a google search, is called vandalism. Many Shia marjas even allow reproductive human cloning, and hopefully they will clone human soon, even with the Amero effort to ban it worldwide: [7]
Sorry. I am taken aback. TEHRAN -- The white-coated scientists at Tehran's Royan Institute labor beneath a framed portrait of the turbaned, bearded supreme leader of the Islamic Republic of Iran, the head of a state that enforces strict religious rules governing everything from how women dress to what kinds of parties people throw. On the one hand, there is the veil fetish and cranking out folks for martyrdom operations while, on the other hand, in 2002 Khamenei approved even the funding of stem cell research. --Patchouli 06:05, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
You learn new things everyday. Now, please discuss the article, not the subject. The Behnam 06:36, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cloning humans

Muslims have stated that human cloning is blasphemy.[8] Iran's Islamic clergy agree with this position. The Boston Globe article that corroborates this requires user registration.

This has a familiar ring. Ruhollah Khomeini said that sex re-assignment surgery is okay. Everyone thought he was progressive; people jumped on his Islamic bangwagon. Later, he effected the execution of homosexuals.--Patchouli 06:24, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Please discuss the article, not the subject. Thanks. The Behnam 06:32, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
This pertains to Khamenei's policy on cloning.--Patchouli 06:35, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
No its not. I said some Shia marjas, not all. Some like Sadeq Rohani. Khamenei is a conservative, and hence will be careful not to upset other religions.--Gerash77 06:40, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

None of this "familiar ring" stuff or anything else you said was pertinent, Patchouli. It seems like you were about to set up another POV OR, actually. Good think the article is locked to stop you. The Behnam 06:44, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Situation in Iraq

Iran's Top Leader Says U.S. Withdrawal Is the Solution to End Instability in Iraq.--Patchouli 01:47, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nuclear Weapons

Please add the following to the "Nuclear Weapons" section.

Ali Khamenei believes in the importance of nucler technology for civilian purposes because "oil and gas reserves cannot last forever."[9]

--Patchouli 04:46, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Economic policies

He has recently called for boosting privatisation of economy several times. The following info needs to be added to the article:


In 2007 Ali Khamenei addressed the government and officials to speed up moves to cut the state's economic role in the latest bid to revive a struggling privatisation programme. Iran tried to shake up its lumbering economy in 2004 by overturning Article 44 of the constitution which decreed core infrastructure should remain state-run. But private business has shown little appetite to invest in privatisations since then. Khamenei also urged the Justice Ministry to set up courts to defend ownership rights to encourage private investment.[10][11][12]

Please some one add it. Thanks. Sangak 11:32, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I made it easier to identify the part you want added.--Patchouli 13:50, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Done. ♠PMC♠ 16:49, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

Is anywhere a picture of Khameini ? --134.147.73.237 20:32, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

There was a picture at one point. My guess is that it had fair use problems. There should be another added. The previous one was this one. But indeed, we should try to get it in there; he is a world leader after all! The Behnam 20:35, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
I added 3 pictures and Grash77 added one, all of them under GFDL license. But there is a disagreement about best place for 2 of them.
I think It's more appropriate to put Image:Khamenei-60.jpg in Ali khamenei#Political life and Presidency and Image:Khamenei1.jpg in Ali khamenei#Supreme Leader (Velāyat-e faqih).Sa.vakilian(t-c)--03:11, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
The pic locations are ok now. obviously we can't have both relevancy and good appearance together.--Gerash77 09:25, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Testimonies about Khamenie

A guy has added some testimonies about Khamenie[13] which is not acceptable in this form. I think we can add some of them if they are verifiable. Verifiability of Irna is dubious because it doesn't have online archive and also it's not a print media. It means nobody can check it. However some of them may be useful to show for examples Ayatollah Khomeini's viewpoint about him. --Sa.vakilian(t-c) 18:34, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I am a newbie.. hmm I think I have to meet all the requirements. May I add Ayatullah Khomeini's veiwpoints only then?
And is online link not acceptable? If I add other site references then will it be acceptable?
Also why the external links are removed? They were really good existing links about Ayatullah Khemenei!!
Shukranlillah 05:14, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
You can add any relevant information which is reliable.(WP:A). Unfortunately we can't check IRNA because it doesn't have online archive. Can you find online or print version of these quotations. --Sa.vakilian(t-c) 08:26, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
I think the external links were OK, but the info you provided for the links (ie Imam Khamene'i (hafizahuallah)) was not encyclopedic, i think its ok to add the websites as they have relevant info. Regarding the Testimonies , we should summarize the info, as it is too long for to the article. I added the text here for reference.--Gerash77 19:22, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] To be summarized

[edit] Testimonies from different Marja, Ayatullah and Ulama

Ayatullah Sayyed Ruhullah Khomenei concerning the level of Ayatullah Khemenei:

Mrs. Zahra Mustafavi, the beloved daughter of Imam Khomeini said: Long time before dismissal of the successor of leadership, I, personally asked about leadership and the late Imam answered Ayatullah Kahmenei. I asked whether being a Marji and the most knowledgable are the requirements. The late Imam answered: no. I asked about his level of knowledge. The Imam explicitly said, "He (Ayatullah Khamenei) enjoys that level of Ijtehad required to be a Wali al faqih (the guardian of jurists)."

The late Hujjat al-Islam, Hajj Sayyid Ahmad (Son of Imam Khomeini) said:

"When Ayatollah Khamenei was visiting North Korea, the late Imam watched the T.V. reports including a large number of people who gathered to welcome him, as well as his marvelous speeches and debates. Then he said that Ayatollah Khamenei really deserves to be a leader."

Addressing Ayatollah Khamenei, after he was elected as leader, Hajj Sayyid Ahmad said, “The late Imam Khomeini, several times, referred to you as a proved mujtahid and the best one for leadership.”

Hujjat al-Islam Hashemi Rafsanjani quotes another event: "In a meeting in which the late Imam, the heads of executive, judiciary and legislative branches, the prime minister (Mr. Mousavi), and Hajj Sayyid Ahmad were present; we told Imam that if it happens, we will face problem of lacking leader in case of observing the constitution. His Eminence answered, “You will face no problem as you have someone to become leader.” I asked, “Whom do you mean?” In presence of Ayatollah Khamenei, he answered, “Ayatollah Khamenei”.


Testimonies Concerning Imam Khamenei's Marji'iyat

After the death of Ayatullah Al-Araki, the matter of marji`iyat was the number one issue being discussed in the Hawza as well as in the institutes. As previously, the Hawza addressed the need for the marji'iyat and leadership to be entrusted to one person since the interest and power of the Islamic regime calls for this unity of role.

A group of (Fuqaha and ulama, aware of the interests and great goals of the Islamic regime, addressed the necessity for the leader Sayyed Khamenei to be the marji`. Their proposal was met with widespread approval from H awza, Islamic Centers, and Muslims in Iran as well as throughout the Islamic world. Hence, letters and declarations were sent incessantly as an affirmation of Sayyed Khamenei's ma rj i'iyat.

It is important to note that the acknowledgement of the majority of the members of the Council of Mujtahids of Sayyed Khamenei's leadership indicates his complete ijtihad, since fulfilling this main condition (complete ijtihad)38 is stated in the law as a prerequisite for leadership. Likewise, all members of the Council should also have attained the degree of ijtihad as a condition of their membership.

Herein, we present to our clear readers some of the opinions and testimonies of their Eminence, the great ulama concerning the marji`iyat of Sayyed Ali Khamenei.



Imam(HA) is Highest Marja` Worldwide says Ayatollah Yazdi

Former judge in the Supreme Court, Ayatollah Mohammad Yazdi, in an exclusive interview with Iran News Sunday, said the initiative from the Society of Teachers of Qum Theological Seminary, i.e., providing the names of senior ulama competent and qualified for marji`iyat, had thwarted inimical foreign forces. Yazdi, also a member of the stated society, related that after numerous meetings, the last of which was lately held on Friday, the society had provided the names of candidates qualified for marji'iyat.

These nominees, he said, were Ayatollah Sayyed Ali Khamenei, Ayatollah Fazel Lankarani, Ayatollah Behjat, Ayatollah Wahid Khorasani, Ayatollah Mirza Jawad Aqa Tabrizi, Ayatollah Moussa Shubayri Zanjani, and Ayatollah Makarem Shirazi.

Following the demise of Ayatollah Araki, foreign mass media attempted to give a false image of actual circumstances in Iran, by making inferences to differences over succession to the marji`iyat, he said. Yazdi added that the Qum based society of teachers, consisting of some twenty mujtahids, made a timely decision, thus barring any mischief or misuse of information by foreign media circles.

"Of course, the final choice of the marji'iyat is up to the people and the world Shias will make the ultimate decision," Yazdi said. The Shias worldwide are aware that among the Shia countries, only in the Islamic Republic of Iran could the marji` freely express his views about issues and problems related to the Muslims, Yazdi stated.

While having great respect for all ulama of other Islamic countries, the society concluded that compared with other countries, the marji' in Iran is least likely to be subjected to government pressure. Asked by Iran News to express his views on who would have the highest number of mukallideen, Ayatollah yazdi said, "Given global developments, Shias now prefer a marji' who is not only a faqih but also well versed in global politics, economics, and social issues. " He also pointed out that "Over the past few days many individuals and groups, both at home and abroad, have expressed support for Sayyed Ali Khamenei, and so he will have the highest number of mukallideen. "

"In recent days", lie marked, "many Shias in (Bahrain, Kuwait, (Pakistan, Lebanon, India, Saudi Arabia and Iraq have accepted Ayatollah Khamenei as the marji', so he is the first marji` of the Shia world."

Source: Iran News Politcal Desk Tehran,(6.12.1994)


Ayatollah Karimi encourages the taqleed of Ayatollah Khamenei

Ayatollah Sayyid Ja'far Karimi said today that it is valid to take the leader of the Islamic revolution, Ayatollah Sayyed Ali Khamenei, as a marji' and lie encouraged theological students to do so. He said that in his opinion the most meritorious person in this regard is Ayatollah Khamenei.

Ayatollah Karimi offered his condolences to Ayatollah Khamenei on the death of Ayatollah Sheikh Mohammad Ali Araki.

In rekation, Ayatollah Mortada Banifadl said, in reply to the question of a group of Ulama of the Hawza of Qum, today that Ayatollah Sayyed Ali Khamenei is qualified for becoming the ultimate religious source in Iran.

He said, since more than 70 leading in Iran, many of whom are just ulama at the highest level, on departure of Imam Khomeini declared Ayatollah Khamenei as being qualified for issuing fatwa on controversial or complex points of religion, therefore, to follow him would be permissible and would help bolster the system of the Islamic Republic. Ayatollah Banifadl is a member of the coucil of mujtahids and teacher of the Hawza of Qum.

Meanwhile, a number of Shiites in Germany, the Netherlands, and Austria have requested for copies of the treatise of Ayatollah Khamenei.

Head of Ahlul-Bait Youth Assembly in Europe and Friday prayer leader in Berlin's Imam Reda mosque, in a condolence message cabled to Ayatollah Khamenei said a number of Shiites in Germany, the Netherlands, and Austria have requested the assembly to provide them with the treatise on religious issues of the leader of the Islamic Revolution.



Ayatollah Karimi & Ayatollah Alyazdi

Regarding the importance of the position of deputyship of Imam Al-Mahdi (a.s.) especially in the present critical time. In addition, being aware of what is considered special and important conditions in the law to fulfill this critical divine position. Moreover, based on what we have recognized and what was shown to us of the legitimate qualifications of the erudite alem Sayyed Ali Al-Husseini Al-Khamenei for the post of marji`yat. We see no problem in referring to him and declare it to be valid.

Ayatollah Sayed Jaafar Karimi & Ayatollah Sayyed Abbas Khatem Alyazdi.



His Eminence Ayatollah Sheikh Ahmed Athare Qummi

After the announcement of a group of teachers of their revolutionary and wise opinion of the legitimacy to take the leader of the revolution as the marji of Muslims, as this opinion is based on the law, I can see no need for my own approval.

On the other hand, the sections of the law: 107 and 109, state that Sayyed Khamenei possesses the necessary scientific qualification to infer the divine law from its legitimate sources and in the various areas of fiqh besides his justice and piety are approved by more than 80 expert, just, and revolutionist Mujtahids. More importantly, Imam Khomeini saw in him the competence of leadership, which is a consequent of the lawful reference to him.

To be the most knowledgeable is one of the conditions of marji`iyat according to an important number of fukaha, but it is not the only condition. Justice, piety, and knowing the conditions of the place and time we live in (which would enable the mujtahid to determine the case tinder study and hence deduce the appropriate code to it) are also of great importance and we cannot ignore them. Likewise, the interest of the Islamic regime is of the conditions that we can never ignore as well.

In our world, tyranny and disbelieve are attempting to destroy the Islamic Republic and the sacred regime. Furthermore, they deny the knowledge and ijtihad of our great leader- the inheritor and deputy of the greatest marji in Islam-, which is something that the H awzas and the mujtahids can never accept. We will not rest, and will never allow his eminence to be accused of ignorance.

Note: His Eminence Ayatollah Sheikh Ahmed Athare Qummi, member of the Teachers Council and the Council of Mujtahids.



His Eminence Ayatollah Sheik Ahmed Jannaty

In my opinion, the base of being the most knowledgeable is for the faqih to be able to deduce the Islamic legislations from their legitimate sources, taking into consideration the time and place as well as the time requirements. Hence, none of the nominees for the marji'iyat today are more powerful and more competent than our great leader. Moreover, the matter today is that of Islam and disbelieve, and not that of secondary legislations. Fear God, and have insight in the consequences of matters and the conspiracies of the devils and their enmity to Islam as well as their determination to destroy Islam and the true Muslims.

Note: His Eminence Ayatollah alSheik Ahmed Jannaty is a member of the Council of Mujtahids.



His Eminence Ayatollah Sheikh Mohammed Wa'iz Khurasani

You have asked about the taqleed of Sayyed Khamenei, the leader of Muslims in this era. Where the worldwide tyranny and Zionists are surrounding the Muslims with great danger and threatening the presence of Islam and the Islamic Nation. Moreover, they are determined to pull the Muslims apart, disunite them and disperse their power.

The answer is: Al-Imam Al-Khamenei might be like others regarding figh, piety and all the other conditions demanded in a marji. However, a group of other conditions gives him precedence and appoints him from among the fukaha and that is his continuous struggle for the cause of Islam and his resistance in the face of its enemies. In addition, he has the correct understanding of the holy book and traditions. Moreover, he has a very good insight into solving legislative problems using the simplest path, as well as the ability to administer the matters of Muslims in the easiest way.

Besides, he is determined to unite the Muslims and bring them back to following Ahl-Albeit (as.). Above all, he is a faqih who is in control, has authority, the leader of the Islamic nation, and the one who is able to unite the Muslims.

Note: His Eminence Ayatollah alSheikh Mohammed Wa'iz alKhurasani is the Secretary General of the International Association to Reconcile the Islamic Sects.


His Eminence Ayatollah Mortada Bani Fadl

In His Name When we gathered in the Council of Mujtahids -more than 70 mujtahids, we elected Sayyed Ali Khamenei based on the law that states that the leader has to be able to deduce the divine law from its legitimate sources and in the various areas of Fiqh. It's very well known that most of the fiqh sections are related to societal and governmental issues, those codes constitute more than 80% of the law.

Therefore, it is certain that Sayyed Ali Khamenei is the most knowledgeable in these matters and accordingly he's the most qualified after sayyed Al-Araki to be the marji'.

Note: His Eminence Ayatollah Mortada Bani Fadl is a member of the Council of Mujtahids


His eminence Ayatullah Ali Ilahi Kazlaja'i

The scientific and legislative rank of Sayyed Ali Khamenei is far from the need for an approval from myself, yet I would say that referring to him as a marji` is of the interest of both Islam and Muslims.


His Eminence Ayatollah Sayyed Ali Shafe`i

In his name Due to the continuous consultations concerning the religious marji`iyat and referring to the leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatullah Sayyed Ali Khamenei as a marji, I do inform all the faithful sisters and brothers that: Because Sayyed Ali Khamenei is one of the mujtahids who fulfills all the requirements and possesses all the necessary scientific qualifications to deduce the divine law from its legitimate sources and in the various sections of fiqh his fiqh opinions are considered to be valid. Therefore:

1. Acting in accordance to the leader's legislations in the various matters including those of secondary individual and personal nature is valid and correct, and doing so is of great interest for Islam and for all Muslims. It guarantees the ultimate power and unity of the Islamic nation.

2. It is a must for all members to refer to and obey his eminence concerning the governmental codes and related matters. Acting according to these opinions and codes is everyone's duty, because they have precedence over all other codes.

3. Since what we deduced from the fiqh proves that money affairs especially the two sacred shares(alsahmain) is of the authority of Imamate where marji`iyat is considered to he a branch of it. In addition, since Sawed Ali Khamenei fulfills the two positions that of marji`iyat and leadership, therefore all Muslims should send those money to him or ask for permission from him as to where to spend them.

Note: His Eminence Ayatollah Sayyed Ali Shafe`i is a member of the Council of Mujtahids and a teacher of Bahth Kharej



His Eminence Ayatullah Sheik Ali Mishkini

In His Name I say, as a clarification, that Ayatollah Sawed Ali Khamenei possesses the rank of ijtihad as well as the ability to deduce the divine codes from their legitimate sources that he who is to fulfill the post of leadership needs. In addition, he fulfills all the required conditions for the wilayat over the nation and the leading of the Islamic society on a broader scale. The members of the Council of Mujtahids have approved this, relying on their knowledge and by benefiting from the pronouncements of Imam Khomeini, in various occasions. Therefore, All Muslims - Sunnis, Shi'ites -and especially the great ulama from both sects, in addition to all those who are concerned for the Islamic Revolution in Iran to endure, and for Islam to keep dominating and continue to spread, and for people to continue to surrender to the Quranic verse:"apply the religion and don't disagree in it", and is keen to realize "to make his religion superior and reign over the whole world" Should accept his eminence as a marji` and a leader of Muslims.



His Eminence Ayatullah Sheikh Hadi Rouhani

As I have announced in the Friday Prayer, in our present era, the enemies are targeting the Islamic Revolution and the sacred regime of the Islamic Republic. Furthermore, they are trying to bring about a separation between the two roles: leadership and marji'iyat. Hence, the duty in this era calls for the marji`iyat and leadership to be entrusted to the same person. If the base is to search for the most knowledgeable, and take into consideration the marji`iyat from all its aspects; fakaha, politics, society, and administration- as Imam Khomeini says: the marji must know the conditions of time and place- we find that Sayyed Ali Khamenei fulfills the required conditions, and we find no equal to him who does so. Moreover, he was able to prove to all Muslims his capability in administering matters. Therefore, it is appropriate and necessary to refer to him as a marji` by all Muslims and Shi'ites.


MPS Appreciate Introduction of Leader as Qualified Marji'

More than 150 parliament deputies appreciated the recent move by the scholars of Qum seminary and members of the association of combatant ulama, in order to introduce the leader of the Islamic revolution, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei as the marji' of the world's Shia community. The parliament deputies said in a statement that Ayatollah Khamienei was the most knowledgeable expert on Muslims affairs and developments in the Islamic world in the contemporary era. They said that inspired by the founder of the Islamic republic the late Imam Khomeini, the Council of Mujtahids had earlier entrusted the leadership of Islamic society to such an efficient personality (Ayatollah Khamenei).

Source: Tehran, December 4, IRNA (4.12.1994)

[edit] Spelling error

Under Foregin Policy in the Israel-Palestine section "wiped of the map" should be "wiped off the map" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.110.56.156 (talk) 23:59, 15 May 2007 (UTC).

Thanks for pointing that out. The spelling has been corrected. The Behnam 18:56, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] quote

did he really say 'wiped 'of' the map'? shouldnt it be off, i cant changed it because its protected

The validity of that translation has been contested, true, but the article describes it as an "alleged remark," so the fact that there has been disagreement is implied. The Behnam 18:58, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Grand Ayatollah?

Khamenei is not a Grand Ayatollah. He is just an Ayatollah. The title Grand Ayatollah is reserved only for the clerics of the highest rank (Marja') who are universally acclaimed by shia's.

[edit] Precursor to a Holocaust

According to the article; "Khamenei has said that human rights are a fundamental principle underlying Islamic teachings, including the rights to live, to be free, to benefit from justice and to welfare."

Pretty much all there was under his 'human rights' section. Hope the additional information I have cited has been enlightening. Peter Deer 02:27, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Neutral POV

While there are cited facts in the article, I am concerned that this portion does not maintain a neutral point of view in its presentation. It might just be me.

In 2007, Iranian police which acts under the control of Supreme leader, launched a "Public Security Plan": The police arrested dozens of "thugs" to increase public security. The arrested "thugs" are sometimes beaten on camera in front of neighborhood inhabitants, or forced to wear hanging watering cans used for lavatory ablutions around their necks.[1] During the first three months of the campaign against women not adhering fully to the strict Islamic dress code, in Tehran alone 62,785 women were stopped by police, and of these 1,837 were arrested. In the first three months, police arrested in the capital more than 8,000 young "criminals" who have offended public morals.

I think it's mostly the part about stating the motivation without any specific citation as to the source of the information. Peter Deer (talk) 10:21, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Recent Edit titled "Is he a dictator?" by 206.222.17.62

This part of the article doesn't seem to contain many references and holds a tone far from neutral. I would like to see someone a little less tied in with the issue than myself edit this, as it's hard for me to be detached from this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter Deer (talk • contribs) 10:41, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Khamenei's interpretation of Islamic law in domestic affairs

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ali_Khamenei&oldid=202602558 explains Khamenei's interpretation of Islamic law. Here is what seems funny:

  1. The Quran doesn't specifically call for compulsory hijab. Khamenei dictates that has to be the case [14]
  2. The Quran clearly states that there should be a jizya levied on non-Muslims. Khamenei disagrees and doesn't support such an idea.--71.118.44.121 (talk) 18:41, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[No offense he adores me, i do not wear anything besides western/european fashion, and delegates as i ask of dad and the president] I am contrasting this on April 6, 2008 from FBI NYC 26 Federal Plaza, and me Lika Valentino Aka Alla Khamenei/Khameini, Ali Khamenei does not dictate the HIJAB or any other Muslim Dress Code of orders on any Civilians or Religious Followers he himself stated it is a shaming to the body, religious values, so forth, i do not have to wear anything, nor by any order of my father Grand Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, President Ahmadinejad has been supporting my American Western Fashion Sense/Movement, he himself has removed the scarves alone off of some citizens heads to prove a point, no we do NOT support any religious faction of hijab. He who has even provided me the rights to have delegated a warrant to stari decist on those in Iran's 2007 scandal of Dress Code Police, where we have been arresting those members of the Police, Iranian Divisions who have been forcing those women, and men to wear certain clothings styles by the Muslim Dress Code of which is a Sin against the Real Muslim Religious Values, and my father has not objected to my fight against these rules, regulations, and than Ahmadinejad has been upholding the arrest of the Officers NOT Civilians in Iran. I wear, and model, do as i please, with the support of my brothers, sisters, fathers, and the military, and ministry of defense without any slander, my American Intelligence Division Significant others have been also accepted as members to be in the Khamenei family, so forth.

Last note as his daughter i have been wearing short little mini skirts, with hair, make up, and delegating command on the Iranian Revolutionary Guards, Iranian Ministry of Defense, State and National Security Laws, So forth, with President Ahmadinejad as my Fashion Stylist even without being slurred at with him providing me with the liscence rights to an Iranian DNA Mouse of which is now a pet to me, I have Ted Turner of CNN News, and President Bush, and all CIA and FBI Agents of 26 Federal Plaze as witness, as witness to this since of 2007. As a daughter, i have been in my tight straight leg jeans, or mini skirts delegating over the iranian military and they skip hop with statements without any arguments or any slurring of at my dress code, or anything within a muslim dress law, with upholding of my views, rights, dress code, and than enacted as in literally enforcing this, they have been without hesitation or any shame with clearly in Iranian news articles to the Public, taking me seriously not disregarding anything nor arguing with me over my dress western european dress without the ISLAM DRESS of HIJAB. Take notation of Grand Ayatollah Khamenei aka papa to me, last words, the JIHAB is ISLAM, Grand Aytollah of Iran Statement was "I am MUSLIM, ok difference is ISLAM AND MUSLIM does not require to wear JIHAB shaming of body, and rights, freedome, so forth, Al Qaeda wears, and enforces such ISLAM DRESS CODES NOT REAL CLEAN NON RADICAL MUSLIMS." As his daughter i do not and have not chosen a religion and coduct real national rules, regulations laws, in my Western/European Clothing, without the Iranian Delegates or Papa or President Ahmadinejad, or NRGC's or Parliament or Ministry of Defense, ever rejecting anything from my say of order on/to Iran. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Likavalentino (talk • contribs) 22:27, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm not going to attempt to make sense out of what you are saying, but if you continue to post unsourced rants, you will be blocked. OhNoitsJamie Talk 23:54, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Human Rights section

This needs explanation. What does it have to do with human rights?
In a visit with hardline cleric Mohammad Taghi Mesbah Yazdi, Khamenei praised Mesbah’s books and thoughts as being original, very useful, solid and correct. He also stated that the Islamic world needs these ideas today more than any time in the past --BoogaLouie (talk) 23:38, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Edits

Hope everyone found my edits 8.4.08 suffiecently conservative. --BoogaLouie (talk) 00:42, 9 April 2008 (UTC)