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[edit] Anniversary of Osaka elementary school attacks

It's just a horrible coincidence, but these attacks took place on the anniversary of the Osaka school massacre. Worth mentioning in this article? Some of the news services have noted the "connection." --Do Not Talk About Feitclub (contributions) 11:30, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

The article 2008 Tokyo knife massacre (now merged into this one) mentioned it. Was it a coincidence, or did the perpetrator select the occasion? I haven't seen references to a statement by him. But it's possible. Fg2 (talk) 11:33, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
The perpetratr hasn't said anything that relates to the Osaka massacre. --staka (T ・C) 03:34, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
True, but various news articles are mentioning it, so it's in the article. It's a pretty big coincidence, too, if he didn't plan it this way. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 05:42, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Coordinates

Are the coordinates correct in the article? Looking at the satellite view, these coordinates show the intersection of two streets with vehicle traffic, not a pedestrian street crossing a vehicular street. I've only been to Tokyo (and Akihabara) once, so I'm not familiar with things there. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:52, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Don't know about coordinates, but the street was closed to traffic on Sunday (hokoten). It's normally open to traffic. Fg2 (talk) 20:47, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Aha. So the intersection shown in that link above is the correct one? ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 20:58, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Hmm...I'm beginning to this the coordinates are not correct based on some of the images shown in this series. Look closely at the intersection paint markings and compare them to those found in the satellite view of those coordinates. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 21:23, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
I take that back. After closely examining the photos in the Mainichi Shinbun references, this is the correct intersection. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 02:15, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Type of truck

Isuzu Elf
Isuzu Elf

Based on this image, I believe the truck used was an Isuzu Elf from Nippon Rent-A-Car. It looks very similar to this image (just add a longer cargo space). Should we add this into the article? ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 21:22, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

  • No, the image has the name of a company, "Sagawa", that I'm sure does not want to be associated with this horrible event. Phlegm Rooster (talk) 21:35, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
    • I wasn't recommending putting a picture in the article. Just mentioning that the truck was an Isuzu Elf delivery truck. The photo on the right is only for comparison. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 21:41, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
      • Sure, it's a little bit of original research, but the crime scene photo is pretty clear. People will want to see how big the truck is. Phlegm Rooster (talk) 22:13, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
        • I think the only OR is the model, and even that's iffy since the photo, as you wrote, pretty clearly matches the one I found on Commons. If nothing else, we could put that is was an Isuzu truck if we don't want to push the boundaries. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 01:34, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
    • I've blurred the logos on the truck so it may be usable in the article now. What do you think? ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 02:24, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
      • In my opinion, no, people can just link to the Isuzu Elf article. The picture of the area is more informative than a truck parked next to a wall. I won't revert you, though. Phlegm Rooster (talk) 03:26, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
        • I think I agree that the link to the article about the truck is likely good enough. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 05:41, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Looks like someone has the picture of the actual truck! - Mailer Diablo 15:22, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Context

There have tragically been two other incidents of random killing recently in Japan, one in Sasebo. Shouldn`t these be mentioned?Andycjp (talk) 03:22, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Only if the news stories talk about it. Perhaps links to the articles could be placed in a "See also" section, though. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 05:40, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
From a verification & OR perspective, we should only write about Japan's recent epidemic of knifings or outbreaks of knife violence or the like insofar as we can source our statements. (The bar is set very high for drawing conclusions in articles such as this. For a reason why, see the wrangle over gun control in just about any article about a shooting in the U.S.)
Adding other Japanese knife attacks or particularly significant foreign knife attacks into a "see also" section doesn't have the same problem, so I'm cool with that. How many such things have happened recently? --Kizor 04:11, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Useless?

Is it useless to put information about idol events that was held, even after the massacre? --staka (T ・C) 04:23, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Why would they be mentioned? ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 05:41, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
I just thought it was odd for them to have events even after the massacre has occured.. --staka (T ・C) 12:07, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Well, people need to move on with things, and allowing a terroristic act to have as much impact as the perpetrator likely wanted it to only gives in to his will. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 02:52, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Edited into sections

Should this article be edited in sections? It seems almost large enough to have sub-sections for the stabbing itself, the victims, community reaction, coinciding with Osaka massacre date, etc.

70.137.178.252 (talk) 23:48, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes it should, and I've added section headings. —Lowellian (reply) 01:21, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Though I put the sections in a more appropriate order. 70.137.178.252 (talk) 01:24, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nonsensical

This makes no sense: "It was also suggested that Kato's missing work clothes from his work factory earlier this month, thinking that he was dismissed from his employment as a result, may have triggered the attack" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.14.217.184 (talk) 00:09, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I have cleaned up the grammar. The source is a Japanese language article, and it appears the original poster had limited English skills. Most of the information about this incident will probably be in Japanese. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.71.5.46 (talk) 00:53, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Two-ton Isuzu Elf rental truck

Japan is metricated. Surely it's a two-tonne truck ... i.e. 2,000 kg rather than 4,480 or was that 4,000 lb. JIMp talk·cont 01:51, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

It's being reported as "two ton", so thats what's in the article. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 02:50, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Blog?

Does anyone have the link to the blog of the suspect? Here's a picture F (talk) 09:24, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

If the shooting incidents over the last couple of years are any indication, it's been taken down fast. --Kizor 12:00, 10 June 2008 (UTC)