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[edit] Use of "mainstream"

The hatlinks at Batman and Superman looked incomplete, hence, "mainstream" was applied (used Superman (Earth-Two) as a precedent, but don't change the hat there just yet). Would you prefer "common" or "popular" or another adjective? Please reply on your talk page, as I have watchlisted this page. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:30, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

First let me apologize if I'm not able to reply to your comments on this matter speedily after this post, since I'm likely to be constantly busy from a few hours from now until Saturday afternoon. My argument for reverting your addition of the word "mainstream" to the entries was that there is no need for the hatnotes to provide more disambiguation than they currently do. Hatnotes work better when, out of the articles already linked from the disambiguation page, they only link those which could conceivably been what the casual user was looking for when he wrote the article's name and clicked "Go". It's not likely anyone looking for an article on the Kingdom Come Superman, for example, will expect to find an article exclusively about him after searching simply for the term "Superman". What he might try to do is look in the Superman disambiguation page or search for the relevant sections in the Superman and Kingdom Come articles (while a user already familiar with Wikipedia would probably search to see if an article titled "Superman (Kingdom Come)" already exists or not). Batman (Earth-Two) is derivative from Batman the same way Batmobile or List of Batman comics are. They were all split off because of Featured article standards and size concerns, and none of them should be alluded to more prominently, specially not just because one happens to be a Batman proxy character. Superman (Earth-Two) presumably has the hatnote linking to the mainstream Superman since "Kal-L" used to be the standard spelling of Kal-El, and it's probably still a common typo. If the "Batman (Earth-Two)" has a similar hatnote linking to the Batman article, it should be removed. Finally, while no one doubts that it's Superman and Batman, the DC characters, are those who deserve the undisambiguated namespace, many people could argue that Batman, Turkey, Batman (army), Nietzsche's Superman or the concept of a Superhuman are more notable alternative meanings for the word "Batman" and "Superman" than alternate universe and legacy versions of the superheroes, and thus more deserving of a hatnote. --Ace ETP (talk) 00:29, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
To make a long story short, you think the inclusion of "mainstream" is POV? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 07:32, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
That's a valid way of putting it. In conclusion, it is my contention that the Superman and Batman articles are not about the "mainstream" versions of the characters (which arguably have only existed for a few years). Saying so might suggest that the articles are a biography of the version of the character curretly published. But they're not. They're about the characters and their cultural impact. And the "non-mainstream" versions of the characters are part of that (as evidenced by references to The Dark Knight Returns or The Reign of the Super-Man, with the former being a story which could be described as VERY mainstream). Nothing should indicate otherwise. --Ace ETP (talk) 17:45, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Batman edits

We should probably talk about this in discussion, as edit summaries rarely (if ever) resolve differences of editorial opinion. If you ant, I will meet you in the article discussion page. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 19:01, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I have left an inquiry here. How many sources are there? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 19:03, 4 April 2008 (UTC)