Talk:Young Women (organization)

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[edit] Age Range

BUT-- YMO and YWO serve young adults through age 17, until their eighteenth birthday. If we say "18", we imply they participate during their 18th year. Accurate information is reflected in the body of both articles, so the introduction is contradictory. Official web site or not -- I would say the article should reflect the program guidelines. Best .......WBardwin 09:55, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

The article explicitly states that a young woman who is 18 will remain in the program if she is, for example, still in high school. It is designed for 12 to 18 year olds. It is not an automatic exit at age 18, and church manuals make this clear, as does the official website. Besides, who are we to change the official goals and purposes of the organization? If they say their goals and purpose are also to help 18 year olds, their goals and purposes are to help 18 year olds! Incidentally, "their 18th year" would mean they are 17 years old, so I'm not sure what you're getting at with that usage. -SESmith 10:01, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Lower in the article:
No mention of age 18. This copies the priesthood age groups -- age 18 for boys gives them the opportunity to be ordained an elder. 18th birthday in both genders is considered the end of "mutual," with a few exceptions usually based on the end of a school year or in cases of mental competency. We should be consistent within both of the articles. WBardwin 00:35, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
Then I would suggest changing the Laurel class (and the priest class) to include age 18. It's fairly clear that 18 year olds attend and both organizations see it as part of their mission to assist those who are 18. Few priests are become elders on their 18th birthday. I don't think there is a bright line between the two; it's more of a progression that takes place when the time is right. -SESmith 02:06, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
The reason the articles are "inconsistent" in this respect is because the church materials are "inconsistent". The applicable manual (Church Handbook of Instructions, Book 2: Priesthood and Auxiliary Leaders (1998)) sets out the YW age groups on p. 213 in the way they are set out in the article. On p. 214, the manual then states, "Young women ordinarily move into the Relief Society when they reach their 18th birthday. However, because of special circumstances, such as individual maturity, desire to continue with peer group assoiciates, school graduation, and college attendance, a young woman may move to Relief Society earlier or remain in Young Women longer." This is consistent with the official stated goal of YW including assisting 18 year old women as well as 12-17 year olds, and yet the "official" age group of the Laurel class remains 16-17 year olds. There is no "inconsistency" in the article if we are merely reporting how the organization works, both in theory and reality. The same considerations apply to the YMO with 18-year-old priests. If you'd like to include a note by the Laurel class ages that 18 year olds often attend also, that might be a solution.-SESmith 02:13, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed move

I can't find any source where this organization is actually referred to as the Young Women Organization (large-O). In the LDS Church it seems to be simply referred to as "Young Women", the "Young Women auxiliary", or the "Young Women organization" (small-o). I propose a move, with several possibilities:

Young Women should probably be avoided due to its ambiguity.

I would lean towards Young Women auxiliary or Young Women (organization), but before I performed the move or added a specific tag I wanted to hear if others had any thoughts. Ubi Terrarum 05:28, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

I think Young Women (organization) is the best of these. "Auxiliary" is probably too arcane a term to be used as a disambiguation. Rich Uncle Skeleton (talk) 09:12, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Personal Progress

I noticed that there was no metion of the Young Women's Medillion in the Personal Progress section or any were else in this article. I think it should be added in, it is almost every Young Woman's goal to try and get theirs. 68.114.29.24 21:45, 7 October 2007 (UTC)Sliver_Kitsune