Talk:Yonatan Netanyahu

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Contents 1 Gravestone 2 Rank? 3 Name 4 Fair use rationale for Image:Yoni.jpg 5 suggestion for article

[edit] Gravestone

Could anyone please translate what is written on Yonatan Netanyahu's gravestone? Thank you

[edit] Rank?

What was JN's rank at the time of his death? I'm unclear what being CO of Sayeret Matkal implies: is it a regimental-level unit, brigade-level...? Alai 03:54, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Its battalion level, equivalent to a battalion commander - Lt. Colonel.

He was a lieutenant-colonel since 1975. He was promoted at the time he became commander of Sayeret Matkal

[edit] Name

There is no reason to translate his name to Jonathan. His name was Yonatan, and there is no sense in changing it when he was only known as Yonatan.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.112.134.90 (talk • contribs)

Agreed. If no-one objects, I'll move the article. --Dweller 12:50, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I'll support the move as well. ←Humus sapiens ^ну? 22:21, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I support the move too. --GHcool 04:43, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Yoni.jpg

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[edit] suggestion for article

How and when was Netanyahu killed during the raid? I read a book years ago but I forgot. Shot while getting off the C130 on the runway? Jerseycam 01:02, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

While returning to the plane at the conclusion of the raid. Read about it here: [1] and here: Operation Entebbe#The raid. Please feel free to add content to the article. Hertz1888 03:30, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Good point there; i was wondering that. I have another query: In the UK soldiers can be given medals post-humously and in some extremely rare cases are given the Victoria Cross. Can somebody tell me if and what medal Yonatan received postumuously for his part in the Entebbe rescue? Also: is there any material available on his work in mathematics? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.141.108.175 (talk) 22:14, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I read an article by an Israeli journalist that quotes Moshe 'Muki' Betzer (one of the masterminds and a leading participant in the Entebbe operation) and the article essentially states word for word what Betzer said about the rescue. He said that Yoni got fatally shot (he did not die instantly) at the beginning of the operation, and NOT later during the time when hostages were being put onto the rescue aircraft, as described incorrectly in other dubious articles.
This is an article I saw on the Ynetnews website. If you Google this wiki topic, it will come up. It is a very well written article. The article really seems to get to the bottom of the story unlike the one cited above by the previous comment. Betzer appeared on the BBC2 program Age of Terror (15th Apr., 2008 - 9pm) and was describing most of the events and his experiences that night. He described other details in the Ynetnews article and some of the things he said in the documentary are exactly the same thing he said in this news article. He was just explaining it again in the BBC program.
Ynetnews is an Israeli website that seems to be very well run and quite official. It looks like a newspaper website and is professionally laid out with well sourced material and photos.
It is worth reading the article, because it almost certainly gets to the truth and is the words of a major player in the operation and this person (Muki) had a lot of respect for Yoni. But he also had a lot of respect for his country and the truth. Yoni was a great soldier and the other members of the team knew that. In fact, some of them said that everybody was very frightened on the flight to Entebbe that evening and many were physically sick with fear. This was greatly exacerbated though because of heavy turbulence and there was possibly a psychological contagion in this respect. The floor of the aircraft was covered in sick (vomit) and many of the men involved knew that they had a 50 per cent chance of survival.
However, Yoni was virtually the only one on this leading aircraft who showed no fear. In fact, to the astonishment of the other members of the team he even went to sleep! Considering the amount of turbulence and so forth, it was amazing that he slept so well. Betzer said that he "slept like a baby"! Yoni was the leader of the mission and because he died, the operation was named retrospectively after him - The Yonatan Operation. [This point was aleady explained in the main Wiki article, but I need to repeat it again here in order to provide a better context to this explanation.]
Betzer was also a type of leader, but more in the intelligence aspect of the operation. Unfortunately, Yoni was not briefed as well as Betzer and many members of the IDF really needed more training for the mission. Although the mission went well, it could have actually gone a lot smoother if other precautions were adhered to. It is most likely that fewer people would have died, especially Yoni.
I could go on and explain the more significant details of this mission, but I will stop here for now and in the meantime people can do their own more rigerous research. It is well worth the effort because not only are the details important for this Wiki subject and the Entebbe Operation one, but these essential details are not mentioned here on Wiki. I will eventually relocate that article again and also hope that Betzer (also Betser) has written his own account of the events. I'm sure he has. It is a pity though, that there has been no Wiki entry for this brilliant man. Moshe Betzer is another great hero.