User talk:Yodaki

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[edit] Assessment of Portugal

While you have every right to ask for a justification of my assessment of the Portugal article (B-class on EU project), please do not delete such an assessment; ever. In the extreme cases such reversions on a talk page can even be considered vandalism.
If you were looking for justification of the assessment, you could have asked this on my talk page. If you disagree with the assessment, you could have asked for a reassessment by a different editor at the EU project assessment page.
Why I came to B-level. There are reasons for that level, in response to your request in the summary of the revert I have listed these on the Portugal talk page. I hope this clarifies my motives. Cheers Arnoutf (talk) 11:22, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

In my opinion, the article, as of February 2008, doesn't even deserve to have a B-level. That was the source of my confusion. Yodaki (talk) 13:27, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Ah, ok. I thought you supported the A given in the Portugal project. To be honest B class is a category that is given with different levels of quality. I would say it holds enough information, structure, references and support for B; although I agree that it might be possible to contest that (and put it at start). Anyway, thanks for the note on Portugal talk. Cheers. Arnoutf (talk) 14:00, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Associação Académica de Coimbra

Hello Yodaki! Thanks for your contribution to my page move request (you seem to be the only one interested). I'm a bit confused of what the AAC really is. In the article it says it's a students union like the National Alliance of Student Organizations in Romania or Uppsala Student Union. As such the name of the organization should be translated into English, similar to the Portuguese Supreme Court of Justice, the Assembly of the Republic or the Portuguese Council of State. You are suggesting that the AAC is a sports club similar to Real Madrid or Olympique de Marseille in which case the AAC should't be translated. It is important to keep in mind that this is the English Wikipedia so articles should be named in the most common name for English speakers (to get better hits on English Google search for example). If you look at the Portuguese Wikipedia you will see that the article on Stockholm is at Estocolmo, Råsundastadion at Estádio Råsunda and that Crvena Zvezda is at Red Star Belgrade on the English Wikipedia and at Estrela Vermelha de Belgrado on pt.wiki (and that's a much more famous club/association than the AAC). Respectfully, Sebisthlm (talk) 11:35, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

So, it is a students' union with sporting activities? The UEFA page you linked are for AAC-OAF and as I said it shouldn't be translated (just drop the Associação), but from what I understand from the article on AAC-OAF is that it's a separate club. If indeed OAF is part of the same club as the other AAC I'm willing to move them to Académica Coimbra - volleyball section and so forth. But you haven't convinced me yet! Sebisthlm (talk) 19:53, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Associação Académica de Coimbra 2

Yeah, I know. I'm not satisfied with the move myself (even though I suggested it). The move I was trying to make in the first place was for Associação Académica de Coimbra - O.A.F. to move to Académica Coimbra or Académica de Coimbra, since this is common name in English. The problem, as you pointed out, is the disambiguity problems with the main student union, where i still think Associação Académica de Coimbra is the wrong name, since it's not English or commonly known by English speakers by it's Portuguese name in the way the football club is. Frankly, I thought the issue had died since it were standing at level 1 move and 1 oppose, and I was thinking of either changing my move request again or simply drop it for the time being. My view now is probably that the the (professional) sports sections should be moved to Académica de Coimbra: Académica de Coimbra - volleyball, Académica de Coimbra - hockey, Académica de Coimbra - handball, Académica de Coimbra - rugby, Académica de Coimbra - basketball. I think the student union perhaps can stay at Coimbra Academic Association, if so the Coimbra Academic Association - football can stay or be moved to Académica de Coimbra - amateur football. Coimbra University Radio can perhaps stay, but Coimbra University Stadium should be moved back to Estádio Universitário de Coimbra.

In this case the student organization would be at Coimbra Academic Association (with the Portuguese name in the first sentence) as an umbrella over the different sub-articles, of which the sports sections would have their (shortened) sporting name. It would look like this:

  • Coimbra Academic Association "the Associação Académica de Coimbra is the student union...under which there are, among other cultural sections, different sports sections competing in the Portuguese league systems" (or something like that)
  • Académica de Coimbra "the Associação Académica de Coimbra - O.A.G. is the autonomous professional football club" (with a hatline at the top of the page:"this article is about the football club; for the students union, see Coimbra Academic Association")

What is your opinion? Best regards, Sebisthlm (talk) 10:17, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I agree with your suggestion. It's better than user Shearer's. For him, Real Madrid should be referred to as Royal Madrid. I can't agree with such nonsense. Yodaki (talk) 16:03, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I have revered your move of Coimbra Academic Association - football to Associação Académica de Coimbra (amateur football). If you want to make such a move then please discuss it on the article talk page first and if we can not reach agreement then put it up for a WP:RM Personally I am not at all sure that the sections of the Academic Association are notable enough in English to warrant their own articles. But we can discuss such matters further on talk:Coimbra Academic Association - football --Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 12:34, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Associação Académica de Coimbra

Associação Académica de Coimbra is a Portuguese multisports club with several teams which compete in many top sports leagues and championships of Portugal, ranging from rugby union to volleyball to athletics. As far as I known, sports teams names are never translated in English see Deportivo de La Coruña, Mladost sports teams, Djurgardens IF and Real Madrid. Please, restore the teams' names and redirects to the previous versions in Portuguese or simply to a shorter form of the Portuguese name like Academica Coimbra or so. Yodaki (talk) 11:23, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi, why are you asking me this? -- Cat chi? 15:45, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi, it's because of this [1] . Yodaki (talk) 15:56, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
The job of the bot is to fix double redirects - a technical task. I take no part in the name of the article by doing so. If you look at page history you'll see that User:Philip Baird Shearer moved the page. You may want to ask him. -- Cat chi? 16:27, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] False long term abuse reports

Reports such as [2] to the long term abuse page are not acceptable. This page is for tracking users who utilize sockpuppetry and harassment, and in general are permanently banned. I will presume that this was a good-faith mistake and not a deliberate attempt at harassment, but that presumption will not be extended a second time. You may wish to review the dispute resolution process for acceptable ways of settling one's differences with another editor. Seraphimblade Talk to me 08:11, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Weee, Wikipedia works! (joking) Yodaki (talk) 13:00, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV

The edits you made to Bear Stearns and JPMorgan Chase were loaded with your personal analysis and opinions about the subject. That's contrary to Wikipedia's Neutral Point of View policy, and just creates more work for others to remove. - JasonAQuest (talk) 14:21, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah. My personal analysis which was published in CNN Money[1] and Yahoo! Finance[2], as well as in the Financial Times[3] and others. I am a guru! You just create more work for me to restore. Yodaki (talk) 14:48, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Opinions don't belong in an encyclopedia of facts, regardless of where they might have been published previously. (Allan Chernoff would know that.) You can add your opinionated commentary as many times as you want, but the people who've read and understood Wikipedia policy about NPOV will continue to challenge it. - JasonAQuest (talk) 15:04, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
By the way, thank you for dropping the most obviously inappropriate adjectives from the version you restored. I hope this indicates that you've decided to stop being part of the problem you speak of on your User page, and be part of the solution. - JasonAQuest (talk) 15:06, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Ah ah...cool. Yodaki (talk) 15:12, 23 March 2008 (UTC)