Talk:Yitzhak Shamir
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Prior to his imprisonment by the British, was Shamir ever convicted of a criminal offence, or was he just held in administrative detention? PatGallacher 18:57, 2005 July 23 (UTC)
As nobody has answered this may we take it he was convicted? PatGallacher 02:23, 2005 July 29 (UTC)
- Why would you think that he was convicted? And why would you put him in the Polish Criminals category? If you make edits like that, you need sources. HKT talk 19:40, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Terrorism
Do his activities in Lehi count as terrorism? —Ashley Y 10:10, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
- no. Lehi only targeted British representives and not civilians. Amoruso 05:13, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Folke Bernadotte was a civilian. —Ashley Y 10:13, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
- The article on the Stern Gang says that it was a radical self-described terrorist group. There's not much room for debate there. Angus McLellan 00:11, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
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- "Do his activities in Lehi count as terrorism?" Are you joking?! Lehi (and Irgun) not only targeted British institutions in Palestine, but also killed hundreds of innocent Arab civilians - including women and children - in the name of Zionism and an Israeli state. They weren't sovereign military forces (not that that would make it right as we see with the IDF in the Occupied Territories) but civilian paramilitary groups bent on killing for their state, like Hamas, Al-Aqsa etc. An interesting side note: Lehi under Stern (and when Shamir was a member) contacted Nazi Germany during the war and offered to form an alliance against the British. So Bernadotte saved Jews [from the Nazis] and yet later died at their hands for not being pro-Israel enough, just a few years after his murderers tried to get friendly with dear old Adolf. And while Britain fought Germany, and Germany rounded up Europe's Jews, the Zionist groups like Lehi were too busy killing British soldiers and Palestinian villagers to care. Shamir, like Begin and many others, was a terrorist turned politician. Just like some Palestinians I could name. 86.15.169.220 12:17, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
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- Lehi was a terrorist organizations whether Pro-Israelis admit it or not. And unfortunately the current Zionist government has adopted the mentality of the Lehi Terrorist Organizations.Randyqs 07:39, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Reference to Kach
In its entire history as a political party, Kach won one seat in one election. Calling it the main contender for power is bizarre. And what does "ever-emerging" mean?
[edit] Kach and Likud
Kach were projected to win 12-20 seats in the 1984 elections, although because of their ban, never materialized, due to Shamir pushing for the ban In revisionist circles, it was clear that the late Rabbi Meir Kahane was a threat to his Premiership and to the helm of the Revisionist camp, of which Shamir was the leader. Thus, it can be siad there was a rivalry between Shamir and Kahane.
[edit] Irgun cat
Shamir was in Irgun, according to the article. —Ashley Y 00:22, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Terrorist
this man was a terrorist yet this article attempt to protray him as otherwise, i wonder if he had darker skin or an islamic name would it be so positive
I agree 100%. He was a terrorist and should be named as such. The article refers to him as an underground fighter and as part of an underground Jewish militia to take away from the fact that they were a terrorist group. A terrorist group who targeted many Arab civilians, however it seems (by reading this article) only Arabs are capable of being named terrorists. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tonezz (talk • contribs) 03:48, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
This is a moot point, if you read biographies of Palestinian and Jordanian leaders and staff members they dont call them terrorists - although some of them have such pasts.MustangAficionado (talk) 21:20, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- The way I see it, anybody who is known to have carried out terrorist attacks and/or been a prominent member of a known terrorist group should be labelled as such. — Red XIV (talk) 06:43, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Arguments can be made on this point of half of all Israeli and Palestinian authorities. Once again this is a moot point, doesn't add to the article's purpose. MustangAficionado (talk) 00:10, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Shamir passes away?
Has the former Prime Minister died? GoodDay (talk) 20:11, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
The New York Times says he died today. GoodDay (talk) 21:04, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't see anything about it on nytimes.com, nor at haaretz.com, nor is it at Yahoo News. I could have missed it, but in any event, we shouldn't say he died without an actual linked source. I have reverted the report of his death. 6SJ7 (talk) 22:24, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Also for whatever it's worth, the article on Ehud Olmert briefly said today that he died on a date that has not even arrived yet. It mentioned the death of the Hezbollah leader, so I guess some Israelis are suffering hoax deaths in retaliation. 6SJ7 (talk) 22:28, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
