Talk:Wrangel Island
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[edit] Gulag
http://www.statedepartmentwatch.org/GulagWrangell.htm
Though it's spelled wrong it's no doubt it's the very same island...
[edit] Canadian occupation during War of Encirclement
Anyone around here ever heard of this? I'll try and find the details; during the anti-Soviet Wars of the 1920s Canada's share in the "encirclement" of the communist menace was the completely useful task of seizing and holding Wrangel Island. Why, lord knows, and how long they stayed, I can't remember; but I'll find out and be back.Skookum1 04:43, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Wrangel not claimed by US
Wrangel Island is not claimed by the US. The US State Department says that the island was never claimed by the United States (http://www.state.gov/p/eur/rls/fs/20922.htm). This is the official position of the United States government.
Of course, those familiar with John Muir might remember that he was part of an 1881 expedition by a predecessor of the Coast Guard that claimed the island for the United States (http://www.sierra-club.org/john_muir_exhibit/frameindex.html?http://www.sierra-club.org/john_muir_exhibit/writings/cruise_of_the_corwin/ -- see Chapter 15). Four decades later, small groups of fur hunters from Canada and then the United States set up camp on the island for one year each. But for one Inuk Indian, the Canadians perished of the cold. The Americans were evicted by the Soviet Navy. They were awarded compensation for their lost furs by an international court in 1959, some 35 years after the incident.
Despite these, in December 1984, the State Department found that the United States government had never made any formal claim to the island. The United States has maintained this position since that time. For that reason, Wrangel Island was not addressed by the 1990 US-USSR Maritime Border Agreement.
There is misinformation regarding the status of Wrangel Island being disseminated by a right wing faction that calls itself State Department Watch. The State Department web page linked above is the record of fact. Competing assertions of fact by the Wall Street Journal and SDW are simply wrong.
In sum: The United States does not claim Wrangel Island. The State Department claims that the United States has never claimed Wrangel Island. The 1990 Maritime Border Agreement did not specifically address the status of Wrangel Island. Wrangel Island is in the Russian maritime zone. The US Senate has ratified this treaty. The USSR and Russian Federation provisionally accepted the treaty without ratification. The United States considers the agreement to be in effect and to control US-Russian relationships on the matter.
[edit] Wrangell Island is claimed by the USA; State Department Issues Misleading "Fact Sheet"
Text of http://www.statedepartmentwatch.org/FactSheet.htm was copied & pasted here. Replaced with link by Reuben 00:28, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Posted by Carl Olson —Preceding unsigned comment added by OlsonCarl (talk • contribs) 16:10, 22 August 2007
- These claims have been added before, but they need reliable sources. So far, the only reliable sources we have say that the US makes no claim to this island, and never has. If you believe this is incorrect, please back up your edits with authoritative documentation. --Reuben 00:32, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Spelling of Wrangell
This island is spelled Wrange"ll" too. I will go to work with the change as soon as I can.CharlesRobertCountofNesselrode 20:51, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
- The island, the other island, and the man have all had their names spelled with a variable number of L's. The article titles reflect the common spellings used today, as per Wikipedia:Use common names. Please don't change them without good reason and consensus. --Reuben 22:30, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
"The island has also been spelled Wrangel and Vrangel. The U.S. Board of Geographic names, by resolution named 29 July 1901 determined that Wrangell Island, Alaska, in the Arctic Ocean should be spelled with two l's. The island was named in tribute to Ferdinand Petrovich von Wrangell who spelled his own name with two l's when he wrote in the Roman alphabet."CharlesRobertCountofNesselrode 02:45, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Who are you quoting? That's interesting from a historical perspective. As I noted, various spellings have been used in the past. But it doesn't address the fact that Wrangel, with one L, has become the standard spelling of this island today. Again, please don't move articles around without good reason and at least some attempt at consensus. --Reuben 22:13, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
"Wrangell" is spelled with two L's because Baron von Wrangell spelled it with two L's. "Wrangel" with one L is a Russified spelling. The double L spelling is correct, because it was given by Americans who discovered and claimed the island for America in 1881. Actually, Captain Calvin Leighton Hooper wanted to call the island New Columbia when his ship Thomas Corwin landed on it, but he was over-ruled by his superiors in Washington. There are extensive reports to Congress on this terrific addition to America. (Carl Olson)
- Your facts seem to be a bit confused. The naming Wrangell Island predated the Thomas Corwin landing, and the island had been discovered long before. You can find these details in the article, with sources. As for the Baron, he was a Baltic German aristocrat of the Russian Empire; there are several spellings of his family name. If you romanize the Russian version, Врангель, you get Vrangel' rather than Wrangel. Please note that Ferdinand von Wrangel's own Wikipedia article uses the single-L spelling too. As for the spelling of the island's name, that has also been done both ways, but the current convention is to use one l for the Russian island and two ls for the one in Alaska. The article titles reflect the common spellings used today, as per Wikipedia:Use common names. --Reuben 00:42, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
