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[edit] Bon Voyage

From all of us at Wikipedia:WikiProject Western Australia - best wishes for the new project and the christmas season !SatuSuro 15:11, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Not actually a Victorian, but...

Hope I can help with some of the tasks, particularly those in the geographical or political sphere. Orderinchaos 15:04, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

He's in the West Australian project and a fine participant there! SatuSuro 15:11, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A couple of questions...

  • Will there be a conflict with residents of Victoria, British Columbia?
  • Does this project specifically exclude Melbourne, or will Melbourne-based-topics be included in both the Melbourne and Victoria wikiprojects? -- Chuq 00:21, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Re second - maybe they might take a clue from the WA project - we have tried to keep WA=yes items separate from Perth=yes items -as most of the subjects/articles are one or the other. SatuSuro 00:32, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Re the first - if Victoria BC ever gets its own project, they can always call it Greater Victoria as any article would have to include Saanich, Oak Bay, Sooke etc...
Re the second - my suggestion would be the following schema:
If it relates to the state as a whole, or (state) government, should be in WP Victoria
If it is outside of the region which Melbourne takes responsibility for, should be in WP Victoria
Melbourne has taken responsibility for all areas including and enclosed by the Shires of Mornington Peninsula, Cardinia, Yarra Ranges, Nillumbik and Melton, and the Cities of Hume and Wyndham.
This is only my thoughts - feel free to add, clarify, disagree etc Orderinchaos 02:43, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

"I was born, lucky me, in the land that I love." Victoria, Ray Davies.

There is a more famous Victoria. Hmm, another project idea. The name is likely to lead to confusion. I also think the canadian state and other 'Victorias' scattered around globe would justify a project merely to list them. See also Victoria. Best wishes for new project Fred 03:59, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 20:17, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Is anyone interested? -- Punk Boi 8 07:55, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tasmania is now up and running as well

Wikipedia:WikiProject Tasmania SatuSuro 03:14, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] PLEASE NOTE

To anyone considering creating stubs for this project - please read Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting carefully - regarding processes involved - so as to avoid issues with WP WSS D (which can mean both discovery and delete :) ) SatuSuro 02:20, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Assessment templates

Does this project really need to use such a *loud* (and dare I say, ugly) template? An example is at Talk:Melbourne. (diff)? Could it be toned down a little to better match the remainder used? -- Longhair\talk 06:46, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

For those who click after this point - the "GA" green icon was previously three columns high and just over half a page wide. It was very green, and very loud. Orderinchaos 07:35, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
My personal opinion - does it even need one at all? The WA and Tasmanian wikiprojects have been able to get by just fine with the generic Australian one, marking "This is supported by Wikiproject ____" using the tags. A big advantage in doing things this way is updatability - the less things you have to update, the more likely they are to be properly updated. Also shared resources - the WP Australia assessment team is capably and well staffed, whereas WP Vic has a low membership at the present time (although will grow) so is not really in the position to assess its own articles just yet. By the time it is, we'll probably have figured out a way to incorporate that into WP Australia. I did fix what appeared to be a colspan error in the WP VIC box which created the loud look :P Orderinchaos 07:32, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm brainstorming a system where all Australian articles will share the one assessment system, based on the Military history model. Hopefully we'll end up with a 'one shoe fits all' type of arrangement, where the master project provides for sub-project assessments by default. -- Longhair\talk 22:51, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nhill railway station

Nhill Railway Station is now served by the Overland. As every other station served by a passenger service in Victoria has a page, can Nhill have one too and be linked to the other pages? Thanks. JROBBO 10:47, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Timbarra

Not sure if this is a suburb or other locality? Does this need deleting or improving?Garrie 00:45, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Commons gallery page

Not sure how active this project is at present, but for those interested I have created a gallery page for Victorian towns at commons:Towns of Victoria. -- Mattinbgn/ talk 21:39, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Inactive?

Is this wikiproject inactive? I guess there are several active editors working on Victoria related articles that are members of this Wikiproject, but this is not being utilised as a collaboration tool. Thoughts? aliasd·U·T 00:46, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I am not sure how active this project has ever been. I have found the project tag/s useful, but this page has seen much use at all. -- Mattinbgn\ talk 04:40, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
This is all true, we created it admittedly more as a classification device anticipating that it had the potential for use as a collaboration tool later on. Ultimately it means we don't have stuff drifting around in Australian Places with noone knowing of its existence :) I think also quite a few people are on wikibreaks or busy offline atm which doesn't help. Orderinchaos 08:58, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
To be clear, I am all for keeping this project (and establishing projects for SA and Qld as well) for the reasons you state above. All it takes is a two or three keen editors to get started and these project pages will become useful and it gives people a place to start if they want to start some collaboration on Vic. articles. -- Mattinbgn\ talk 10:10, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] School Categories

Just looking to cleanup "Category:Schools in Victoria", so that it can be like many of the other school categories in Australia. Basically i want to delete "Category:Schools in Melbourne" and "Category:Schools in Geelong", so that what is left is state-based categories, such as; "Category:Private schools in Victoria", "Category:Public schools in Victoria" and "Category:High schools in Victoria". For a good example, look at "Category:Schools in Western Australia. Please leave comments below. Twenty Years 15:33, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Railway line merges

At present was have a whole stack of railway line articles that consist of no more than lists of stations - see Template:VictorianRailwayLines. In addition, each physical line is divided up into multiple subsections based upon what V/Line services operate on it, and the history of all lines are mashed together at Rail transport in Victoria.

I carried out a merge of all railway lines into the relevant regions are used by V/Line - Seymour railway line, Victoria, Ballarat railway line, Victoria, Bendigo railway line, Victoria, Geelong railway line, Victoria, and Gippsland railway line, Victoria, and intended to move the history of each 'main line' and relevant 'branch lines' into one of the five relevant line pages, but it got reverted.

At the present time we just have stubs everywhere of station listings. So what are other people's thoughts? Wongm 09:34, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

The merges were complete original research - no one uses these groups according to "physical lines" as you put it. All of these lines are commonly viewed as seperate lines, and are - in effect - seperate lines that branch off a couple of main ones. There's tons of room for expansion of all of these articles - history, technical details, etc - it's been one of my planned projects for ages. I see no purpose for these merges apart from to make things more confusing. Rebecca (talk) 03:39, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
There are a number of definitions of the lines. The two we should probably consider here would be:-
  • The V/Line Passenger model of Intercity lines with Interurban branches/continuations. See the key on this V/Line map.
  • The "Railways" model of mainlines and branch lines. See this interactive map at Vicsig.
I'm not sure which would be better... --Evan C (Talk) 10:22, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
I'd go with the latter. It's the one we've used for historic railways in the past, and it's also the one that makes most sense to laypeople. Any move that means that someone looking for the Swan Hill line gets redirected to the Bendigo line is just going to elicit confusion. Rebecca (talk) 00:01, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Swan Hill redirecting to Bendigo is more logical than Shepparton redirecting to Albury. --Evan C (Talk) 05:19, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Apologies to watchlisters

If you had a whole bunch of former LGAs watchlisted, you probably saw a lot of me on your watchlist today :) The reason for this was finally getting hold of the actual ABS census figures for the articles I wrote earlier for Victoria. Orderinchaos 03:23, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes I did, nice work :)--Melburnian (talk) 08:31, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

I have just proposed the following "Did You Know" at [1]:

=== Articles created/expanded on April 30 ===

I am hoping that the fact that it includes references to two separate articles may be given some weight. Lindsay658 (talk) 23:48, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Post Offices

A useful online resource is the Premier Postal History list of Victorian Post Offices past and present with opening/closing dates etc.-Whilst designed for philatelists this has been meticulously researched over the years and highly accurate, the primary sources mainly being PO archives. Part has been published in book form. Ive added a few -see Wodonga, Victoria -There appears to be a lot of work to be done on the establishment (reason for coming into existence)and history of towns and the date of PO opening is a good indication of the first appearance in an area of a modest population The code is ref name = "b"Premier Postal History, Post Office List, <https://www.premierpostal.com/cgi-bin/wsProd.sh/Viewpocd.w?>. Retrieved on 11 April 2008 /ref (with the brackets added) Photos of POs may be available for use if you ask I will be doing the odd one but dont have a lot of time Epistemos (talk) 02:13, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for that - that should be quite useful! Always good to see new resources coming onstream. Orderinchaos 10:35, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Railway Station Photos

Someone deleted the Ararat Station pages for "improper license". I thought these photos had been freely provided for use on Wikipedia? Can someone please put them back - I can't find the page they came from. Alternatively, is someone able to go to Ararat and take some new photos of the platforms? JRG (talk) 02:51, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi JRG. See User talk:Rebecca#Victorian rail images for some background on this topic. I suspect there may be many more deleted unless the licensing is sorted out quickly. My knowledge of licencing requirements is nil unfortunately. -- Mattinbgn\talk 02:55, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
They're fine in the wake of the last conversation we had with the photographer, although I believe we do still need to clarify the exact free license that they're under. If you find one that has been deleted, please send me the image link (find it in the history) and I'll undelete it and explain the image situation on the talk page. I did this yesterday with Barnawartha, and I'm happy to do others as well. Rebecca (talk) 03:43, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
From the email I received mentioned in the other discussion:
He suggested the following tag be used (and gave me a link to where I could find the wording):-
"The copyright holder of this file allows anyone to use it for any purpose, provided that the copyright holder is properly attributed. Redistribution, derivative work, commercial use, and all other use is permitted."
I advised Andrew that I was happy for him to add this tag.
I just need to know more about this OTRS caper or whatever it is called, and how we link it to the huge set of images. Wongm (talk)